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Pook

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One addition I believe will greatly add to the sosuave forum is the creation of a Financial Forum.

We know that the ladies love hard bodies (and the obvious happiness of being a fit Don Juan) so there is a Health and Fitness Forum. But a financially solid Don Juan will go much further than one without.

Look. Many guys I know, many husbands I know, live well below their financial potential. Why? Because they let their women do all the finances.

What is the woman's view on finances? "He doesn't know it yet," I heard one girl say, referring to her fiancée, "but he is going to start saving." Basically, with women in control of your finances, you will be SAVING, putting that money in the bank, getting permission to make any purchase through her, and spending very very little. "Live cheap," she says, "and save, save, save. All purchases now must go through me, for I shall pay the bills and balance the checkbooks." If she is like that, you're a bit lucky, for she could be the type who buys more and more liabilities (shoes, cars, houses) for a 'lifestyle' she believes is her birthright. If you live a lifestyle of 'be cheap and save', you end up remaining cheap. If you live a lifestyle of 'she-is-the-princess', then you end up in bad debt. In both ways, you end up becoming poor.

One of the greatest obstacles for men in our age is to get control of our finances. The biggest issue in marriages is money. By getting a grasp on this issue now, you'll be much more FREE and wealthier than before. The Industrial Age is over. The era of a man being an employee for one company and receiving a pension plan for retirement is over. There is no job security today.

A century ago, most people were farmers, merchants, i.e. business owners. It is only the Industrial Revolution that made a couple generations not have to obtain critical financial knowledge (you could simply work at one company and have them provide your retirement). Today, we do not have that choice. Our ancestors understood finances, why are we scared to know at least what they did?

It doesn't care how smart you THINK you are. You could be a lawyer or doctor from the most praised ivy league school. That is academic education. It makes you a good employee. But it doesn't help you financial smarts-wise. No matter how high earned income you obtain, three things happen: 1) The more you earn, the more you'll probably spend. 2) When you get a raise, so does the government. Why get a fat income if most of it goes to the government? 3) The higher your income goes, the LESS time you have.

What paychecks do rich people have? Did Bill Gates make his billions through a paycheck? Think about it.

Just as a MINIMAL, everyone needs to know these BASICS of Finances:

-How to make a Financial Statement (because the bank will not ask for your GPA but for your financial statement).
-What an Asset and a Liability is and how they differ and how they impact income and expenses (no, this is not taught properly at business schools)
-Basics of paper assets (dividends, how the law prevents 90% of people from the best investments, etc.)
-Basics of real estate (beyond the typical 'get tenant to pay bills while you let property appreciate in value’)
-Basics of business building (9 out of 10 new businesses fail because 90% of the people have piss poor financial knowledge).
-Understand what CASHFLOW is
-Understand what LEVERAGE is

There are two reasons why you have not been taught proper financial knowledge. One, is because we are fast exiting a period of time where financial knowledge was not necessary for the mass of people (but even today, pension plans are being slashed, and 401ks aren't even secure). Two, is because women found no need for it so we didn't either (hence Socrates’ wise saying of, "If you want to teach something to young men, teach it to women. For young men will do whatever the young women want.")

Why don't women need financial education?

Simple. YOU are the plan for HER financial freedom! She has her 'assets' (boobs, butt) and men will gladly subjugate themselves to her (they call this subjugation to her 'love'). Her 'love' for you is reflected in that you become an excellent workhorse. She will gladly 'stop working' for the sake of her children! Once you get going in your career, she thinks, "Thank god! Now I will never have to work again!" Many women now like to work as well. This is so she can have the LIFESTYLE she wants. So she spends more money on liabilities like an elaborate house, car, and turns cash into trash. You are her financial plan for freedom. If she gets pregnant, she can stop her work and have you provide for her (which itself, is fine). But the entire point is LEVERAGE. YOU are HER leverage. This is why many males work and work and work to make an environment where the woman can live, breed, and just live a stupid life of material comfort.

If women were educated financially where they could not depend on a boss or a husband for their financial future, we would see women not stay in unhappy relationships because of money and have women not look at a guy financially as a cat does a bird hungrily. But that, for now, shall remain a dream. What we can do TODAY is educate ourselves so our lives become something more than sidings to prop up a woman and her breeding ground. It would give us TIME and MONEY so we can do what we truly want to do, to embrace our talents, and fulfill our own potential in life.

Why Does Saving Means Losing?

My parents are very poor. Thus, they SAVED money and made little expenses. They watched every cent. They lived a life of cheapness. Guess what? They are still cheap. And they still have no money. When you cling so tightly to be scared of losing pennies, how can you risk anything significant in an investment? The emotional capacity is not there.

Financial education is more about your emotional side then your intellectual side (just as Don Juanism is). My brother has tens of thousands of dollars all saved up in a bank account. His wife is, "Save! Save! Save!" and "Live cheap! Live cheap! Live cheap!" They have lots of money but drive cars that are 12 years old. Even if they get money, they are still cheap. He cannot invest the money because his wife says, "That is too risky!"

Why does saving mean losing? I will use the dollar as the example. The dollar is not backed by gold. It is backed by nothing. So take out a dollar bill and put it in front of you. It is actually debt. The key to becoming wealthier and financially free is to think of money in other avenues than in currency. For example, if I convert my currency into real estate, my "wealth" will increase! Or if I convert my income into a business or paper assets (such as stocks), my "wealth" also increases. If I SPEND the money on bad debt such as cars, a house I live in, or a boat, I just go into debt.

If you save money, you are losing money. Dollars are constantly inflating. So having money in the bank, even with the bank interest, can mean losing money because the inflation rate often cancels out or is above your interest (unless you have lots of money in the account). And to those who still doubt this, take the entire nation of Japan. They probably have the best savers in the industrialized world. Well, Japan seems very close to be going into bankruptcy. How is this possible for a nation of savers? Because saving money is not the same as making money. And in order to make money, you need to understand how to convert it into other forms.

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What could a Financial Forum look like? I would imagine it would be like St8up's Guide to Wealth (Take a look at it here http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22304 ). I think we all could profit from a forum where financially successful people (and those studying to become) can gather and share. Personally, I want to find out which of our visitors are successful in business, real estate, and all so I can pick their brains out. I want to learn from these guys and Anything Else would be a poor substitute.

After all, such a forum would pick up its own jargon after a while. It would be loaded with financial terms that some people (who are just looking to get chicks) certainly don't want to be bothered with. Such a forum could still involve chicks, but just as the Health Forum goes into the body building jargon, so too would a Financial Forum go into financial jargon and be a great place for us unfortunates (of which I am one), born to poorer and ignorant parents, could defy our family cycle to become what we dream.
 

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i think it'd be a good idea too. this site is about complete self-improvement. we've already got a health and fitness forum, which is no more a part of our lives than our finance

i'm saying this despite my latest brainwashing by fight club: "advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shyt we don't need" because i'm skint
 

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I agree too, whole-heartedly. It would be an incredible help to know what other DJ'ers know as far as wealth and finances. Though I question how many well-off people visit this forum. Things required to succeed in business, like overcoming fear, salesmanship, learning from mistakes and perseverance, are similar to success with women, one would generally follow from the other. But people do like to impart their experience when given an audience, and it would be interesting to 'pick their brains out' as Pook put it.

As to your post Pook, I know and have read the book(s) which half of your writing comes from. I feel I need to give you some friendly advice, which is merely to be careful and use diligence. According to several authorities that I know as well as researched, that book may be a great motivational book, but as a business how-to book it is terrible and potentially dangerous. I can elaborate if you like.

I too want to become wealthy, but I started by using the programs similar to the ones str8up recommended, and got into some trouble legally and financially. After I recovered I decided to financially educate myself the right way. I began by researching wealthy people, to find out their mindset, background, and 'how' they achieved wealth.

For starters I recommend the book, "The Millionaire Next Door", by Thomas Stanley and William Danko. It came out in the mid-90's, and is basically a compiled massive survey of millionaires to figure out how they actually got that way. You'll find that it takes much more than 'expanding the context of your reality'.

Let's get that forum going!
 

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Pook,

First this. Then a post on sales. Did somebody just pick up a copy of "The Millionaire Next Door"?

But seriously, good idea.
 

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a financial forum would kick ass!!
 

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It's actually a good idea...I've been thinking a lot lately (surprise surprise) and there are a LOT of lessons we can take from the financial world and apply to romance as well, the most important being that love works a lot like money. You can save all of your love inside, always worried about having enough, or you can spend your love in the hopes of getting something you want in return, but in the end, neither enriches your life. The key is to INVEST your love in things and other people and watch them grow and send love back to you in return. Which you then re-invest, etc. Sure it's riskier, but the potential rewards are huge.
 

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Originally posted by Pook
My parents are very poor. Thus, they SAVED money and made little expenses. They watched every cent. They lived a life of cheapness. Guess what? They are still cheap. And they still have no money. When you cling so tightly to be scared of losing pennies, how can you risk anything significant in an investment? The emotional capacity is not there.
Sounds like my dad too.

The idea I've been focusing on lately is that UNLESS we take deliberate efforts to get what we WANT, we will become our fathers. It seems not only do we inherit our father's genes, we also inherit our father's thinking.

I already know my relationship with my future wife will be different than my dad's because I've put the study and effort in there.

Now, lately I've opened my eyes up to his financial situations and have been exploring wealth literature: Kiyosaki, Hill and Clement, Tracy, etc. And Carnegie.

And I think a financial forum, for me, would be awesome! Perfect timing. Also, this will open others up to the IMPORTANCE of financial ideas quicker than it took me.

You got my vote!

!GEORGE GORDON!
 

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whoa when did pook pop back on the radar.
good idea though. Finances are very important in self improvement.
welcome back anyways
 

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I do agree Finances are important... but I think the forum isn't really suited for Sosuave.com ... some links in the bible or a few good sticky posts might be in good order though....Or in the H/S section some tips on future careers and jobs that are good in H/S.. how to get hired... good ways to rub off on your manager... same thing for other forums...How to be independant and start your own buisness... info on sales.... info on desk jobs:rolleyes: ..., ect,
 

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I would LOVE a financial forum, i recon it's bloody important and gives people not familar with money a hand on how to invest and spend or save there money. great idea pook :D
 

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Originally posted by CapiCrimini
I do agree Finances are important... but I think the forum isn't really suited for Sosuave.com ... some links in the bible or a few good sticky posts might be in good order though....Or in the H/S section some tips on future careers and jobs that are good in H/S.. how to get hired... good ways to rub off on your manager... same thing for other forums...How to be independant and start your own buisness... info on sales.... info on desk jobs:rolleyes: ..., ect,
Donjuan is not only about dating is about improving yourself in all the aspects get to be a better person and feel good with your self.

I'm sure alot of guys here have very good advices related with financial that they will love to share.

Yeah and i cant wait for it:D
 

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I'm sure alot of guys here have very good advices related with financial that they will love to share.
I agree. So why not change the Fitness forum to

Finance&Fitness Forum.

If they put up a Finance Forum it won't get super amounts of traffic. Maybe two or three posts a day. Unless people decide to just sit around and post stock prices all day there is only so far you can go and more importantly would want to go. If you Had the secret to making a million dollars in a sencond. How quick would you be to hand it out for free on a forum?

I think It's good, but When a new forum appears an old one dies... so we'd lose a forum in order to have a finance forum. I just don't like the idea. If people REALLY need finance help there are sites devoted to it. They shouldn't come here. Look at fifty percent of the replies in the Fitness forum... they are LINKS to BODY BUILDING Sites? You catch me... why do this all over again.
 

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CapiCrimini

I don't think combining Fitness and Finance will work too well.

But nothing is preventing us from posting now. Let me do a few more posts and I'll start putting some stuff in the Anything Else forum. If anyone wants to join in, feel free. If finance posts stays busy, consider the forum.

Dayr0n

let pook be moderator
Like hell!
 

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I like it. The number one cause of divorce is rumored to be financial problems, although it's hard to see that it could top infidelity.

I'd like a financial forum as well. This would make it more of a multipurpose site.

I think some major ground rules would have to be placed. Like no posting of stock tips or hunches on this company or that. More general info would be of use.
 

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sales are a lot like seduction.


I agree with this suggestion.

Moreover, it is important to be solid financially, and since ssv is about self-improvement rather than just picking up women, I support this idea.
 

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A Moderator's Point of View

On the surface, Pook, this sounds like a great idea. Looks and Money are the two most important factors of initial attraction.

My concern is with two things. Interest and knowledge base.

Is there enough interest in financial matters to warrant its own forum? And even if there is interest, do we have enough people here who are knowledgeable enough to maintain a decent level of quality? We get spammed on this site with get-rich-quick schemes enough as it is. Losing a potential f-close because you got bad dating advice off the internet is one thing. Losing $10,000 from bad business advice is another thing altogether.

Like you said, start some threads in Anything Else and lets see how it goes before we create another forum.
 

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Re: A Moderator's Point of View

Originally posted by Survivor
And even if there is interest, do we have enough people here who are knowledgeable enough to maintain a decent level of quality?
This question could apply more to the main forum.

We get spammed on this site with get-rich-quick schemes enough as it is.
Get-rich quick schemes is gambling. It has nothing to do with financial education or discussion.

Losing a potential f-close because you got bad dating advice off the internet is one thing. Losing $10,000 from bad business advice is another thing altogether.
I actually played a friend's edition of the Cashflow board game. One thing that I considered hilarious was that there was a square on the fast track that said "DIVORCE". It is the most severe square in the game. You land on that and you lose ALL your money. Not some, ALL. Letting strangers on the internet define your love life is far more riskier than getting advice on money.

If you mess up with money, you just lose money. If you mess up with your wife, you lose the wife and your money too.

Survivor, you're thinking 'financial discussion' means 'hot stock tips' or something like that to throw money at. That is not investing. That is gambling. We don't want a gambling forum. Stick around and you'll get at where we want to go with this.

Like you said, start some threads in Anything Else and lets see how it goes before we create another forum.
Let's flood the Anything Else forum with finance threads!! This will be fun.
 

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Let's flood the Anything Else forum with finance threads!! This will be fun.
Pookity-Pook. I'm one step ahead of you my friend.:p I never turn down fun.


We get spammed on this site with get-rich-quick schemes enough as it is.
Which is why I created the rules post to try to keep some sort of decency and keep people from posting GET-RICH-QUICK themes on purpose. I mean the people who know what they are doing arn't the bad ones, you can normally spot them cause they lust money. It's the ones who believe thier doing good but really hurting people that you need to watch out for.
 
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