The natural order of things - Sexuality defined and explained!

J-Man,

You want my perspective on women, life, God, and whatever? You don’t ask for much do you? I’ll give you my view on the intrinsic nature of man and woman, this nature we call ‘sexuality’. You want a deep conversation and your questions answered? I’ll give it to you and express it in an extremely logical fashion. My arguments will be based on sound reasoning and my stance will be difficult for any Feminist to refute!

We are currently having a discussion in the ‘Anything Else’ forum relating to Pook’s thread titled “The Baby Bust Generation“. The discussion has taken on many forms, but I would like to narrow my discussion to the definition and explanation of “Sexuality” and the distortion thereof. In this thread the question was asked, “What is sexuality”. In this definition all your questions that you pose on whether women are naturally subservient to men will plainly be answered! The sexuality of the man and woman is at the root of all things in life, and it is ultimately expressed in our procreative process as man and woman!

Here is sexuality defined and explained…DJ Crotch Sniffer gave a simple and splendid definition of sexuality that must be expounded upon…

Sexuality = Duality that creates life!

Some definitions are in order…

Duality is the quality or character of being ‘twofold’; dichotomy.

Twofold means, double, two-sided, two-headed, double-edged, two-edged.

Dichotomy is…a division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions – I’ll call this division ‘complementary’ or ‘pairing’.

Complement = Something that completes, makes up a whole, or brings to perfection. Either of two parts that complete the whole or mutually complete each other.

Complementary = Forming or serving as a complement; completing. Supplying mutual needs or offsetting mutual lacks. In Genetics - of or relating to a group of genes that act in concert to produce a specific phenotype.


‘Pairing’ at the microscopic chromosomal level…

This duality is truly the essence of life. Life comes from a pairing of parental chromosomes through a process called ‘mitosis’ whereby the cells divide and then replicate. This multiplication process creates new cells that carry the genes of both the mother (egg) and the father (sperm), and are the key ingredients and instructions that bring forth life. Life itself (you and me), are created not from a single cell life form but rather from this dichotomy that we call mother and father. Although I am a single individual, it took ‘two’ life forms to create my one physical, mental, and spiritual form. Without this duality, life could not be created nor would life exist. At the microscopic biological level, it is ONLY when the two chromosome pairs are combined (duality) that life can be and is created.


‘Pairing’ at the physical fleshly level…

Our sexuality is deeply rooted in the procreation process that involves two people – duality; thus, the definition ‘twofold’, ‘two-sided’, and ‘two-headed’. Literally speaking, two heads (minds) decide to become one in the flesh for the ultimate expression of their inbred sexuality. Now lets look at this duality from the perspective of the human relationship level between the male and female. Again, refer to the definition of duality, specifically dichotomy. We need ‘two’ contradictory parts or opinions to form a duality. The key word here is “contradictory”. Don’ t take the word in it’s literal definition of either a thing being true or false, rather take it in it’s more implied meaning of ‘opposites’.

Truth cannot be false and what is false cannot be true. True and false are polar opposites. When we talk of sexuality, we must talk of opposites, because it is only in this pairing that our sexuality can be expressed. The male and female, by nature, are opposites, in our thinking and in our fleshly form, and it is in this mental and physical opposite forms that life can ONLY be created. The union of the male and female must exist to manifest our sexuality. So the same is true at the physical human relationship level between the male and female, as it is at the genetic chromosomal cell level between the sperm and the egg. It is ONLY in the ‘pairing’ of these opposites that creates life.


Duality is truly at the core of that which creates life!

Now lets look at the ‘sexuality’ of the male and female. In keeping with the definition that sexuality is “duality that creates life”, then it must be the case that the male and female were ‘intentionally’ created to be opposites, and ONLY when they are brought physically together do they have the possibility to create life. This makes sense since it is ONLY in this male/female unification and two-sidedness that life can be formed through the mingling dance at the genetic level between the egg and sperm, which are introduced during the sex act. What brings the sperm and the egg together? No, not the penis and vagina, that is the obvious conclusion but not the best answer. It begins in the ‘minds’ of the two involved who have a compelling interest to naturally and magnetically gravitate towards each other, as nature intended.

At the physical fleshly level and at the microscopic cell level, opposite forces must come together in ‘harmonious unification’ (integrated in nature) to create something bigger that the two alone cold not create – a baby. We need this dichotomy to create life! Nature has intended this unification as the ONLY way to create a new life form. Sperm is useless and has no power and it is something you throw away when there is no opposite for with to unite itself. But when you introduce the egg into the equation, the potential of these two ingredients become realized and have magnificent and tremendous power when combined.


Harmonic balance = Integration of nature = How families are formed…

To integrate something is to make it into a whole by bringing all parts together; unify. To join with something else; unite - to make part of a larger unit. This bringing together of parts is realized through marriage, which is accomplished by joining the male and female parts. This unification brings forth offspring and results in making a larger unit, a whole called family. To create this larger whole called family, a ‘harmonious unification’ of the parts is a necessary and vital part of this process.

At the cell level, the egg will only fertilize with the sperm that is perfectly matched with its’ structure, as nature dictated it to be so. All other sperm (in the tens of millions) are rejected, so that a perfect and a viable successful union can occur without the interruption and interference of others. So it should be the same at the human relationship level between the male and female, if nature is consistent, and concerned with a successful union between the two for procreation purposes.

Hence, it is when the male and female are perfectly (I use this term loosely) matched, as nature intended, that we exclude all other suitors, so that we may form a complementary union, which in turn will bring forth new life without the interruption or interference of others; consequently, the importance of the bond that marriage creates. We were obviously genetically and physically created to be together as one, not to be alone; thus, our natural genetic inclination to search and find one another to form a perfect union - marriage.

By forming a complementary physical union through marriage and having children, we are exactly mimicking the same process that is taking place at the biological cell level, whereby complementary halves (sperm/egg) are bonding together for the purpose of creating life. Do you see this? The unification of the sperm and the egg CREATE us as individuals, and we in turn, through the unification of our male/female complementary natures CREATE the sperm and the egg. This is the circle of life…the natural order of things in which our sexuality is at the forefront of this creation that we call life. We are CREATORS, ONLY when we unite as male/female, as nature intended!

Our sexuality was made exactingly and perfectly to form a complementary union for procreation purposes, when our ‘proper roles’ are realized and performed. If the man and woman ideally existed according to his and her nature, and followed their true sexuality, then the family that they formed and created will coexist in a harmonious union, as nature intended. Families should be permanent and long lasting without overbearing strife. I’m not delirious, I know we are not perfect, but this doesn’t mean that we should not strive to be. Do not forget the standard definition and meaning of the word ‘complement’ which states that it is something that completes, makes up a whole, or brings to perfection.

At the chromosomal cell level things work in perfect harmony (with exceptions) and has done so for thousands of years. The instructions at the genetic level has been untouched and not corrupted throughout time; however, the same cannot be said at the male/female relationship level – there has been manipulation and interference (corruption) with our sexuality and with the harmonious union of the male/female. To engage in our ‘proper’ roles as male and female and to form a successful union, we must adhere to the natural order of things that make our nature complementary to one another. The purpose of which is to create offspring and form a family unit.

The natural order of things is when things are in a state of ‘harmonic balance’…

The differences (opposites) in the inbred traits of the male and female are many, but for purposes of narrowing the discussion I will focus on the two most important.

The submissive nature of the female is at the fundamental core of her being. To yield or surrender herself to the will or authority of a man is necessary, for the relationship to begin and exist. Why is this submissiveness necessary for the relationship to ‘begin’? Because she must be receptive to the wooing advances of the man in order for them to meet and get to know one another. Why must she be submissive for the relationship to ‘exist’? Because she ‘must’ be a complementary soul - supplying mutual needs or offsetting mutual lacks – to the male, so they may ‘complete’ one another and not ‘compete’ with one another.

The aggressive nature of the male is his defining characteristic. The assertive, bold and enterprising male is respected in society because he is seen as following his true nature as a man. It is this assertive and bold nature in the man that allows him the will to approach the receptive female, awaiting his advancement towards her. Why must this aggressive nature in a man exist to form and carry a relationship? Because he ‘must’ complement the female in order for there to be a perfect union amongst the two. Where he is strong, she is weak, and where he is weak, she is strong. This balancing act must be in place for the relationship to live in peace and harmony.

These two inherent and distinguishing characteristics traits must exist in the male and female, if ever they are to succeed in the relating and procreative process. Two submissive characters shall never meet, for fear of approaching. Two aggressive natures shall never exist in harmony - they will inevitably clash. Our naturally prescribed roles must be adhered to with little deviation, if we are to expect a ‘synergistic’ outcome of the two involved. ‘Synergy’ is the interaction of two or more people so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects – forming an ‘enhanced’ combined effect.

This is the one of the main benefits of marriage - with what one can do alone two can exponentially do better. Taking advantage of the condition whereby if one is weak in a certain aspect or regard, the other is strong, and where one is strong the other is weak. There is a harmonic balance within the union of marriage, when the natural order of things is adhered to – this is the result of our complementary, genetically created submissive/aggressive natures.

The following is an example that proves that our duality is inextricably tied to our sexuality and is in no doubt the natural order of things. Remember when you were in grade school, before you ever saw a vagina (some of you haven’t seen one yet L) and you didn’t know anything about the sexual organs and how or for what purpose they were used? But when you looked at a girl you were instinctively drawn to her by an inside force, seeing and feeling that she was ‘different’. Either you got her attention or you ran from her in shame to avoid confronting this feeling.

As you got older 10, 11, 12, you started noticing your female teachers and maybe even had a liking to them. The girls on the playground started to look sweeter and more inviting, and yet you knew completely nothing of the function of the sexual organs! This duality is so inbred within our genetic make-up, that even as children we recognize that our opposites natures our complementary. Yet at this age we didn’t know why! As you got older, you realized that the purpose of your sexual organs was to unite with her and create new offspring. This proves that our sexuality has less to do with our physical sexual organs, than it is an innate genetic driving force to unite with our complementary natures. Our sexuality is an all-encompassing force that is integrated and deeply rooted within our human nature! We are sexuality!


Integration via complementary natures…

There are many more distinguishing characteristics between the sexes, but suffice it to say the aforementioned traits are necessary for the male and female to meet and exist in harmony. This submissive combined with the aggressive complementary natures, creates the duality that is needed to create life! Our sexuality cannot exist own its’ own standing, it must have a complementary component for it to come to its’ full potential and fruition. It is only when the union of the male/female exists can it (our sexuality) be exercised as intended. Can a hammer function as a hammer without nails to pound? Emphatically no! So it is with our sexuality!

With submissiveness comes other dominant and endearing feminine qualities that the female is naturally incline to possess; such as, compassion, pity, a comforting nature, kind and gentle disposition, patient/longsuffering, an emotionally caring attitude, and nurturing tendencies. When a woman goes outside of her nature of this submissiveness, she becomes hardened and callous, and in this state of existence they lose their natural beauty and become artificially ugly!

Dominant qualities that the male possess in their aggressiveness are; a courageous heart, a confrontational and a hostile mind, a protective spirit, a productive and industrious nature, a bold attitude, a relentless mindset, oriented towards strict discipline. When a man goes outside of his nature of aggressiveness, he is seen as weak and irresponsible, lackadaisical, and a failure in carryout his duties as a man. He is judged harshly as a fool and incompetent.

With these gender dominant qualities, certain abilities are favored in one sex over the other. The female may be a better verbal communicator and may be more comfortable in close personal encounters. These abilities are exhibited most in her because of the traits that come with her submissiveness – an emotionally caring and nurturing mindset that is ‘people’ oriented. Look at the nursing field of work and all the service and social agencies, and you’ll see that they are mainly dominated by the female sex. She is a social and nurturing creature, and a creator of life!.

The male may gravitate more towards the scientific (mathematical and engineering) field of work because his aggressive nature gives him the drive to focus and study a problem in complete solitude and is in less need to be sociable with others, and it gives him the resolve to stay the course until the task is completed.

Many scientist and inventors have this mindset. Men not only have a drive to study the sciences but also to put this newfound knowledge to work. We are Carpenters and Masons, Plumbers and electricians. Men manipulate and orchestrate the financial world, which in turn determines our physical comfort and whether we live in want or live in rich sustenance. We are warriors. Man is a thinker and a builder of worlds, and a destroyer of life!

Let me emphasize that these designated feminine and masculine traits are possessed by both sexes, but are generally more prominent in one sex over the other. We all possess the same traits because we are made of the same essence, but we possess different degrees of each trait.

This sharing of attributes brings an understanding of each other and brings us closer to one another. Just because women are subservient to men in certain aspects of life doesn’t mean that they are inferior to men. The same strong forces (polarity) in two different magnets will only repel each other when united there must be a weaker receiving force for the two to come together.

Do not look at nature as giving us inferior or superior roles, but rather our naturally designated places in life should be looked upon as a divine natural order to things that, if followed as intended, would lead to a successful and productive union. Remember we are complementary natures, and one nature is not superior to the other, they are only different.

Women are not beneath men rather they are beside us and complete us. This union will only make both of the sexes stronger and create a synergistic effect in our common goal to build a happy and prosperous family unit. Our perceptions, thoughts and actions are naturally programmed to be diverse. When the two natures are combined they create a balance, and where one is strong the other is weak, and where the other is weak the one is strong, producing a synergistic effect.

These natures, when they are fully intermingled and in balance, express their solidarity and loyalty to one another in an endearing language, and the word used most to acknowledge their solidarity is “LOVE”. This is a sign, in thought and feeling, that their natures are compatible and if they were devoted and sincere in their engagement, they would make a perfect match to form a union (marriage), and reject all other suitors.

Again, this union is similar to the meeting of the sperm and the egg. The egg will only fertilize with her perfect genetic match and exclude from joining any other sperm from that point on. Nature is trying to tell us something at the physical and microscopic level; that is, ONLY when you have this “pairing”, duality, two-sided naturally ordered harmonic balance, can you begin to create life and build the structure called family!

Corruption of the natural order of things (harmonic balance), the intentional distortion of sexuality…

If sexuality is the duality that creates life, then it is this sexuality that is at the core of our beings, as men and women. For it is when we express and abide by our sexuality in its’ most purest and natural form and partake in the procreative process (sex), can we only further our genetic pool and continue as a race of humans. Embracing our sexuality is not only good and natural, but mandatory as well, if we are to procreate and have dominion over the earth.

Now that we know that this duality is natural and good, lets look at how it has been distorted and used outside of its’ intended purpose. I shall give you three examples of how our sexuality is distorted in our common era. Although the distortion in sexual attitudes and behavior have existed throughout time and there are many reasons and explanations for the whys and hows, the most massive and deliberate organizing effort to change sexuality took place during the ‘revolutionary’ 1960’s.

Since ‘sexuality’ has now been properly defined and explained, we must now look at how it has been distorted by individuals and groups in the recent past and present.

To distort something is to:
1. To twist out of a proper or natural relation of parts; misshape.
2. To give a false or misleading account of; misrepresent.
3. To cause to work in a twisted or disorderly manner; pervert.


The Feminist: A person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism. ‘Feminism is a belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes and the movement organized around this belief.

Although the feminist had its’ beginnings at the end of the 19 century, its’ current status in society was mainly formed by the actions of women, en masse, in the 1960’s. Feminists are hell-bent on fairness and equality. They believe that their existence should not be based on their gender as a female but rather on their person as a human being. In this mindset, they want to be perceived and to be acknowledged by men without their gender being at the forefront of their existence.

This is a very unnatural frame of mind because it is their gender (sex) that is at the very forefront of how men should perceive women as complementary to themselves. In our nature frame of thinking as men, how could we not look at women for what they are – women! It is unnatural for us to seem them in any other way. Feminist cry out for fairness, but there is no such thing as ‘fairness’ in nature. Fairness is based on man-made principles and not derived from nature, so this rationale is readily thrown out as a reason to be like men. I do support ‘fairness’ where there is injustice to women in all other areas of life, but not in regard to their innate sexuality.

In the beginning of the 20th century, there were many unjust situations that women needed to be librated from, and the feminist movement was based on just causes; however, by the end of the 20th century what began as a movement based on good principles has become a force that has corrupted sexuality from its’ purest form. Nowadays, women want to be ‘equal’ with men. This, my fellow Don Juans, goes against what nature has intended. If the sexes were equal in every aspect of life, then we would no longer have complementary natures, and if our natures are no longer complementary then a clash will form and chaos will be the end result!

Feminist cry out for an equal 50/50 split role in their relationship and marriage, but this is an impractical request for decision-making purposes. When a final decision needs to be made only one may be at the helm, since there is an even number and only two people are involved in the equation, then the standard of ‘majority rules’ cannot be applied. So there must be only one decision maker to determine the final outcome - any other way and a stale mate (split decision) would only bring animosity and resentment to both parties involved! Have you noticed lately that when women define themselves today they often use the words ‘strong’ and independent’ together - meaning I don’t want anyone to tell me what to do, I am my own woman. This phrase is often accompanied with a bad attitude and a stubborn mind.

If she is strong and ‘independent’ then this apparently means that she is in no need of someone else, since independent implies being free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant. Yet the next sentence out of her mouth states, “I'm looking for a ‘real’ man!” Well this is contradictory to who she is, since a ‘real’ man is the aggressor and final decision maker in the relationship; however, his decision-making powers don’t apply to her since she is 'independent'. She can’t have both (be independent and have a 'real' man) and expect a naturally balanced relationship. To have a balance she has to either submit herself to his rule or look for a weak man! Any other way and there will be opposition and conflict and an inevitable split or divorce! Man and woman are naturally created to be ‘interdependent’, meaning mutually dependent on one another!

So it is that we find ourselves in this chaotic male/female role reversal in the beginning of the 21st century, which has resulted in the doom of the naturally ordered male/female union. It is no secret that the feminists’ goal was to ‘artificially’ elevate their female status to that of men, in all aspects of life, especially their sexuality. What began with a minority of women who burned their bras in protest, during the beginning stages of the feminist movement, has turned into something much more sinister – the collapse of the genetically and naturally created order of things necessary for a harmonic balance to exist.

Without ‘complementary’ natures as men and women, our ‘duality’ is no longer viable and effective, and if sexuality is duality that creates life, then this distortion of sexuality will directly affect our familial structure. Men will not see marriage as a necessary and fruitful course of action to take. To make relationships or marriages work and be successful today under this role reversal, there must exist an unnatural order in the familial structure; such that, if the woman is to take on a more or just as aggressive nature as the man, then the man must take on more submissive feminine qualities and duties to create a balance, albeit a very UNNATURAL one!

So now you have the distortion of sexuality on both ends, the female as the aggressor and the male as the submissive character. This is a very unnatural position for both the male and female to be in – this unnatural union will only lead to an argumentative and disruptive familial structure that will inevitably end in fracture! Some people do resign themselves to take on unnatural roles, if their personality closely matches these unnatural attributes. In this case there will be a balance in the relationship if their roles are clearly defined and accepted.

Feminist cry out for fairness and equality, as if being ‘equal’ with men will bring about fairness – this is a fallacy. They wrongly assert that they are not being treated fairly because they are treated differently and are unequal in status and societal prestige when compared to men. From the correct and enlightened perspective, it is exactly this ‘different’ complementary womanly nature that elevates their status as women and does not degrade their existence, since men ‘naturally’ behold the female as a complementary form who is naturally designed and created to be unified with the male complimentary form.

This ‘equality’ that the feminist propose will do the exact opposite of what nature intended and this newly formed false image will lead to the degradation and detriment of the female in the eyes of the man. Because of this so-called movement of the past half century, we no longer see the woman as a naturally submissive creature that needs to be protected, we now see her as one who we need protection from. For someone who is naturally ordered and designed to be a certain way, for them to go against their nature, they must intentionally and deliberately force themselves to be somebody or something that they are not – this is called a deviation. The Feminist mindset is a deviation from its’ intended design as a woman!

Modern day aggressive women are no longer looked upon favorably as complementary halves; to the contrary, they have now become a disruptive and competing force with the natural roles and the natural aggression of the male, a inevitable clash and division has been the result, and the family unit has suffered greatly the consequences of this wayward feminist thinking! As magnets with similar polarities are joined together they naturally repel each other, the magnets need complementary, naturally opposites halves, to unite with one another. Otherwise what would be the purpose of having the opposing forces of polarity if they were not meant to belong together? Can you artificially join that which was not naturally created to be joined?

Unification can be forced, but the bond will be weak and it will eventually falter and disengage. As similar polarities of a magnet will reject each other, so it has been with modern day marriages that are not based on naturally occurring complementary natures. This all relates to the DUALITY of the male and female as outlined above. If this harmonic balance that is created in our duality, as male and female, is corrupted then our sexuality will be distorted, and the outcome of such forceful unification will not be what nature intended. The natures of the male and female should effortlessly gravitate towards one another and not repel each other, unless there is a deliberate corruptive force that artificially interferes with such unification.

Even though the nature of women has been corrupted we still have our natural urges as men derived from our testosterone driven sex drive. In this current generation of youth, we mate physically with women but no longer seem to have this ‘harmonic balance’ with the ones we mate with. We feel that there is no longer a need to unite in marriage with women because they no longer complement our nature as a man; therefore, we now view them as a ‘sex object’ and lust for them at the physical level only! Our sexuality has been perverted and transformed, we no longer see this ‘unnatural’ woman as one to be cherished and loved, rather she has merely turned herself into a pleasure-seeking device and a task to be dealt with in satisfying our sex drive and lust as men. I call these women who are sexually promiscuous a wh@re.

The Wh@re is the byproduct of the Feminist movement who has embraced her ‘artificial’ status and has claimed “liberation” from the sexual shackles that our male dominated society has place on the female. She can now be as men and have sex at will without consequences of her being considered acting out of her nature, because she is only doing what men are already doing. She embraces her promiscuous sexuality to prove that women are equal in status to men and sees this as fair behavior when compared to the sexual tendencies of men.

The wh@re’s thinking is that since males are sexually aggressive creatures, then why can’t females also share in such aggression? Through her error in thinking and by not following her naturally submissive nature, she debases herself as a woman; thus, the epithet “Wh@re” is her new label. She has bastardized herself, and lacks the understanding of how and why the nature of the male is different, and how it was designed to be an opposite force to her submissive nature.

She dismisses and categorizes the double standard between the sexes as unfair, and has become sexually as aggressive as the male. Wh@res view women who choose to be virgins as being weak and submissive to the dictates of men, and sees this meekness as a threat and a flaw to the liberated woman (wh@re) mindset. The wh@re sees the submissive nature of the woman as unnatural and something to be artificially changed, if you are going to consider yourself to be a strong and independent “liberated” female. For someone who is naturally ordered and designed to be a certain way, for them to go against their nature they must intentionally and deliberately force themselves to be somebody or something that they are not – the wh@re mindset is a deviation from its’ intended design as a woman.

A wh@re is a female who is considered sexually promiscuous – having casual or random sex partners. The wh@re views sex as merely as a ‘pleasurable act’ and thus solely seeks pleasure from it, and has used sex outside of its’ intended purpose. Sex is pleasurable, but it’s intended purpose is not for pleasure, rather it is pleasurable so that the mating procreative act (intercourse) is seen as good and pleasant and something to be encouraged for the propagation of the race. Would mating be encouraged if it were painful or hurtful, and not pleasant? Of course not, nature has its’ reasons.

Tell me, who and what is closer to the original nature of the female; the ‘virgin’, whose mindset is meek and whose existence incorporates passivity, nurturing, and submissiveness? Or the ‘wh@re’ whose mindset has a warped notion that femininity means being strong and independent and whose bold actions accompanied with bombastic speech is filth ridden? The virgin is true to her original nature, of course! The wh@re is out of character and out of place!

When sex is partaken for outside of its’ intended purpose and for mere pleasure sake, it distorts our sexuality, because it doesn’t take into account and reinforce the purpose of our sexuality. If sexuality is the duality that creates life, then it is this duality that sex was made for. The main reason for sexual intercourse, besides procreation, is to form a stronger bond between the complementary natures of the male and female and to reinforce the existing harmonic balance. Its’ purpose is to strengthen each other’s commitment to one another, which in turn will keep the family unit intact!

Our sexuality is exhibited in its’ most purest form when the sexual act is done out of love. Love expressed through intercourse, is the bonding force that holds our complementary natures together. Marriage is a confirmation of this love between two individuals, and this love is needed to keep us steadfast and faithful to our mates and children.


The Homosexual: A homosexual is defined as a person having sexual activity with another of the same sex. Homosexuals cannot have sexual intercourse (sex). This notion is a fallacy. Sexual intercourse can only exist between two complementary natures and partners. The homosexual act is a deviation and a perversion to the natural order of things. The penis and vagina are naturally complementary to one another - any other combination is unnaturally forced!

The argument and rationale that states that homosexuality is a natural and an inbred characteristic amongst humans can be totally dismissed and disproved by the mere definition that sexuality is the duality that creates life. The Homosexual sexual act does not create a duality formed on complementary natures and has no other purpose than to gratify oneself in carnal lust by performing perverted acts that are outside of one’s natural genetically designed physical form and existence.

Needless to say, but just to point out without getting too graphic – the anus was naturally and genetically designed for objects to protrude and not to intrude its’ cavity, and it is naturally lubricated for protruding purposes only. For anything to intrude its’ space, it must be unnaturally forced and artificially lubricated. The homosexual act and mindset is a deviation from its’ intended design as a man! Little has to be said of this form of sexual deviancy, since its’ unnatural act and flawed thinking is so fundamentally obvious.

Let me add that homosexuals (as well as feminists and wh@res) have corrupted the language to rationalize their corrupt behavior. If you want to corrupt and change the thinking of the masses, the first task at hand that you must do is corrupt the language and misuse it to legitimize your stand. With this distorted and corrupted language you can express and try to rationalize and make acceptable your distorted behavior and thinking. Once you distort the words then you must distort the images. Put the words and images together in the public eye, and you have a distorted view of reality that becomes acceptable.

Here a few examples of this corruption:

‘Gay’ means ‘cheerfulness’ and ‘lighthearted’; homosexuals want you to see them in this favorable light, so they request that you use this term when you refer to them.

‘Sexual preference’; preference meaning “the right or chance to so chose”. As if the dastardly deed homos partake in is an option to consider amongst the sexes.

“Sexual Orientation”; as if to claim their condition is not determined by choice but by nature.
‘Diversity’; as if homosexuality is a viable and credible existence that is worthy of consideration and respect.

“Pride Fest”; they celebrate their shameless acts as if they are worthy of praise and pride. In an annual parade around the world homos put on a display to the public to show that they are not embarrassed or shamed to do what they do. They seek your approval to feel the same for them.

‘Homosexual Partners’; used in the same spirit and tone as one would refer to a colleague, ally, confederate or any other person who shares a common interest, in an effort to make it their union look ‘good’, ‘normal’, and ‘natural’.

‘Significant Other’; used to imply and ‘give off’ the impression that homosexuality is based on a deep ‘meaningful’ relationship with another individual of the same sex, to hide the fact that, in reality, homosexual conduct is based on the lust of others to partake in the homosexual act.

Civil Union’, Marriage Partners; The ultimate public approval of their homosexual status; once given this status; they will be deemed equal to other legitimate marriages and be afforded the same benefits and rights given by corporations, governments and institutions!

‘Civil Rights’; ‘Hate Crime laws’; 'Discrimination'; 'Justice'; Equality’; terminology used to try to legitimize themselves as an officially viable designated group, by falsely aligning themselves with other worthy societal groups and causes that have suffered great injustices and have been unfairly discrimination against in the past and presently. Their goal is to be protected as a ‘civil’ group and legislate laws that will punish anyone who violates what they deem as ‘hate’, and charge and label anyone that goes against their false claim that homosexuality as an innate trait of humanity, as a ‘Hater’ and an instigator!

They want to make the public and our congressmen think that homos are being discriminated against, and their goal is to stop any unfavorable opinion of their sick conduct being voiced in a public forum, for fear that the youth will awaken from their sleep and see truth and nature for what it is, and reject homosexuality for the lie that it is.

In their fervor and zeal, homos are now going into grade schools to indoctrinate the children to abide by ‘diversity’ principles and accept homosexuals as part of the diverse make-up of the human family – all this under the false banner of ‘Diversity’. Once you corrupt the language that others use, you then can begin to corrupt their thinking! To reinforce this unnatural thinking as being natural, you bombard the public’s mind with visual images showing homos in a positive light and performing as positive role models on TV and in the Movies.

In Summary…

These three examples of corruptive forces give insight into how unnatural forces have twisted sexuality out of its’ natural boundaries that were genetically placed and formed solely for the purpose of the unification of the male and female. They have misshapen and given a false and a misleading account of sexuality.

By representing themselves as natural and good they have perverted and misrepresented the natural harmonic balance, the duality that creates life – our sexuality! They have taken this magnificent and tremendous ‘creator’ force and have corrupted and fashioned it into a powerless meaningless sexual act to gratify their own selfish wants and desires!

If you don’t recognize these forces for what they are, in time, the false ideology and doctrine of these ‘unnatural’ forces will become blurred with the ‘natural’ order of things, and it will be difficult to untangle their web of deceit and it will take more work to separate the truth from falsehood!

I state my case with no malice in my heart and my intent is not to malign any individual’s character, rather my arguments are based on the natural order of things, specifically regarding our sexuality and the natural harmonic balance innate within us, and how this harmonic balance, over time, has been corrupted by individuals and groups who have an agenda to undermine the natural order of things! I was surprised to find a website dedicated to helping men attract women when this is the most natural of all things in nature, but considering the distortion of sexuality in the male and female in recent times, I am no longer surprised that a forum such as this exists and is needed!

I prefer to approach women who have a complete understanding of their complementary nature and thus know their role as a female in the relationship, as oppose to approaching those women who have rejected this natural balance (wh@res), and who have gone astray of their natural sexuality. My philosophy on sexuality in the personal relationships that I nurture is simply, “I’ll be the man and you be the woman”. When I approach and sustain a relationship with the kind of woman who obeys her true nature, this is where my strength as a man is exhibited.

Some DJ’s may prefer to pursue those women who view and act out their role and sexuality differently than what nature intended - with these kind of women, DJs may find that using the seduction philosophy and techniques may be the most effective in reaching his objectives. To each his own! Once you know whether she is true to her nature, by observing her actions and analyzing her mindset, you'll know what approach works best and what actions to take and words to use to gain her favor.

The mistake many DJ's make is that you pursue a woman for the purpose of what she can do to satisfy your temporary physical sexual lusts and carnal desires, and you neglect to qualify her on the basis of whether she would complement your nature as a man. If you pursue her as a woman and act according to your nature as a man, then the sexual attraction and sex act will be inevitable and it will naturally takes it's course in time, as nature intended! If you pursue a woman for the sake of satisfying your temporary desires, then expect a temporary romantic outcome; however, if you are seeking a long term relationship or marriage, then you must qualify your mate based on her complementary feminine nature being aligned with your masculine character, if stability and permanency is what you seek!

Men and women are not drawn to each other because one has a penis and the other has a vagina. We, as men and women, are drawn to one another because of our complementary natures. We have a sexual urge for the purpose of attracting the opposite sex, so that we may get to know each other in a different fashion than how we know a member of the same sex. We have this natural attraction (sexuality) to one another for a bigger purpose than just having sex, its' ultimate purpose is to create a union of two that will produce offspring, and form and hold a bond as a family.

The word ‘complementary’ when used in the field of Genetics means, “of or relating to a group of genes that act in concert to produce a specific phenotype”. What does to ‘act in concert’ mean? No, we are not referring to the music variation here. ‘Concert’ can be stated as - a. Agreement in purpose, feeling, or action. b. Unity achieved by mutual communication of views, ideas, and opinions: acted in concert on the issue. c. Concerted action: Such as, “One feels between them an accumulation of gentleness and strength, a concert of energies”, referring to a man and woman – take note that the complementary nature of gentleness = woman and strength = ‘man is a harmonious balance.

When ‘concert’ is used in its’ verb intransitive form it means, “to act together in harmony.” So if this harmonious state is sought at the biological cell level isn’t it only natural and good to parallel and mimic the physical relationship level (marriage) to the biological cell level, to maintain and perpetuate this naturally occurring harmonic balance? Makes sense to me. And what is ‘harmony’ you ask?

Harmony is an agreement in feeling or opinion; accord: Such as, 'live in harmony'. Harmony is a ‘ pleasing’ combination of elements in a whole. Shouldn’t this ‘pleasing combination’ be the naturally expected outcome and what we strive for in forming a union and a bond through marriage? Of Course it is, otherwise why partake in vows of harmony to one another in the marriage ceremony? Harmonic balance is what forms and keeps marriages and families together! Is it any wonder why there is so much discord in relationships and marriages today? Who is the disruptive culprit of this entanglement? Yes, it is the female who has acted out of her true character and distorted her complementary nature, whose divine and biological purpose was to form a harmonious union with the male.

Our sexual organs and urges are only a part of our sexuality. When we bond and form a union that is established on the foundation of love, we can form a harmonic balance where our complementary natures are wholly embraced and fully expressed in our sexuality by partaking in the procreative process to bring forth a new life. This miracle of birth will, in the future, repeat the process and replenish the earth with our kind. It is through families that our sexuality completes the circle of life. Sexuality is truly the “duality that creates life!”

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Very brilliant.

In theory, its exact. In practice, well, based on my experience, its exact also!

One part i would like to highlight. I know a girl who is a wh@re as described by you. From the outset, I knew she would be hot for sex, and she is, and such is only my interest in her (because thats all it could ever be, i am not a glutton for punishment like some). So I knew too that as girlfriend material, sadly, she could never stack up. Anyway, your description matches her perfectly on those levels you describe. Deep down, she is all that, my I.Q is relitively high, so i had this worked out vaguely (in that i had more than just a feeling, i could see events and outcomes to them, all which pointed to dont get attached), that was before you came along and spelt it out perfectly.

However. And this is the wonderful part. By being myself, being just a true dominant alpha male, she actually grew more into the women you describe. This is over the course of about 8 weeks. She won't be becoming my girlfriend, but she will be around until i find a suitable partner - that may be her, i doubt it.

Its remarkable that you have described the attraction process so profoundly and acurately.

This wh@re started chasing me, making endless phonecalls, felt myself and her having a connection, then made every excuse in the book to be around me. All because i held true to being the Alpha male, made more powerful by the fact that no one else can treat her like i can.

She is a sex for pleasure seeker, and men are usually her toyboys. She was beaten in the past and comes from a string of relationships where she has been used basically by men for sex. So i guess she is slightly submissive - can't hide from nature now can we - and yes, she has been currupted by society. Especially mas-media, etc. Sometimes she feels she should have been born a man (not as in she wants a sex change) just as in she feels her desires are on level with a mans.

But the first time i got with her, she didn't even need to have it with me. Over the course of the night, watching some tv and a quiet drink and light conversation, i had her right where i wanted her...as a normal girl does. (this girl usually meets guys, drinks alchohol with them, then screws or sucks, then goes to to sleep beside them, thats what she is on the lookout for, for all sorts of reasons too deep to go into). But come to me, and she is the submissive girl - and extreemly happy to spend the night with me without being a hag. We got sexual in that i let her polish my pole, but i didn't have intercourse with her. Instead, i fed her on personal things bordering on sexual, i once told her i could root her personality and she loved it, that and other things, which made her feel good, and along with the convo and fun and laughter, and my domiance and manly being, she was content to lay beside me (i made a point of not having sex with her tho it could have easily went that way). We could not keep from being intimate, etc. Just that i did not treat her like others, and she was even more happy. We may go at it in the future, but it will be on my terms.

Ofcourse, i am not a miracle, but this must have indeed been exceptional to her. She woke up very happy, wanted to stay the whole day with me and is seeing me again. As a side note, she had to go to her job later in the day, so she could not. She said she didn't want to go, so in a manly way i suggested that she better go. She submitted imediately and was happy to go, and wanted to call me very soon.

So yes. I cut through the crud of our society/uprbringing and got back to the basics.

But point is, i did not think of it in the way that you described it, though it was the same in essence. I was just trying to be irresistable to her in a way no one had ever done AND in a way that she would have least expected she liked. And i succeeded.

This wont change her. And i know that and she wont be becoming my gf automatically.

Once again, brilliant decyphering of nature.

Some other things that shocked her shell, and got her to be submissive - as she is usually the aggressor.

I end phone calls with her whenever i feel like it. The first time she was shocked and actually called back. By the last time i did it, she said she lay in bed until she fell asleep wondering if i'd call back. My first realisation that her submissiveness was showing. I've done it no less than four times. each time she tells me i should stay on and dont go), but ofcourse i dont. Oh and when she wants to go or make me wait, she just used to do it. But she can't top me or fight her inward desires. In fact sometimes she makes me wait because she wants to be aggressive. Now she eats out of my hand in that regard.

She'll take some bringing around, which has already begun.

She tries to be the aggressor in everything. In fact i am only hanging with her because i find it different/intriging, but you talk to her about things for 10 minutes and you can see the curruption you speak of is thick on her. She comes from a rich family, does what she wants, and has what she wants with men, because she usually can come onto them and have them whenever.

And ofcourse, the funny part is, she is feeling used and mistreated by shallow men, yet she is the agressor. You'd think she would wake up and smell the roses herself, but i dont think she can see. Thanks media, etc.

With my behavior i have washed some of that away. And if she does not meet my standards, i am going to punt her. No ifs, no buts. She is on trial with ME.

I told her to stop sucking me. She was shocked, wondered if there was something wrong with her. But she gives the most magnificent head, and i told her that, just that it was late and we need to sleep and she needed to goto her job.

I didn't let her get to close to me, like she sat on the couch and tried to get touchy feely with me, but i didn't take her hand for a few hours or kiss her until much later. So she decided she would pretend to fall asleep and eventually lean her hean on my shoulder. By that stage i had gotten up and moved around the house no less than 4-5 times, each time coming back but not letting her get any closer. Then later i turned off the lights. Then proceeded to get close on my terms. I took her hand, and basically owned it. Then i looked at her and kissed her, amping up all the anticipation i could muster with my techniques. And she exploded. She went hot right there. When we let go of each other when i wanted to, and i relaxed back, i let it go on for abnout 5 minutes like that, then i said 'i havn't finished holding your hand yet' and took it back. She practically jumped me.

She didn't want to get out of bed in the morning, so i told her to get up.

The more i interact with her, the more submissive she gets. And in the morning she came to me for a hug and reasurance. She did however aggressively innitiate a kiss at our parting, which i reciprocated then pulled back, pushed her head down into my chest(she is shorter) and kissed her hair before pushing her away again. Then she was submissive after that, fingering the door, unsure of herself almost, talking in a girly unsure but affectionate voice, saying "i've got to go now, but we will speak soon i hope.'


So unlike the girl i first met who tried to ignore me but was somhow pulled toward me.

And its funny how she is getting more comfortable and happy in herself when interacting with me. And more forfilled. comes back to the natural order of things.

So guys, when you be a man, as in yourself and on this site suggests, in the dj bible, how it should be, and you know the natural order of things. Chicks melt. Even those described above.

Just be a man too as to whether you keep them around or not or get attached.

Ports post is whats what

Have not explained it well enough. Also i am not treating her in slutty ways. This is after 8 weeks of knowing each other but not being intimate, apart from a few sexual conversations.

I am not treating her as my slut, i am actually treating her as my gf, but not exclusive gf yet (if ever, she'll have to prove herself to me and my standards dont budge). And i make her do what she says she will do.

She often says things that she never does. I told her to start doing them, and she did, which made her upset/unsure of herself. She agressively told me one day she was coming over my house which the above went through. Other guys, guys who end up as her toys, would be dodged. But me, i am irrestistable by the way i am.

In fact around me she often is unsure and upset with herself. I neg-hit her so much it wasn't funny right from the outset, but i always keep it in balance and she ends up feeling good.

Now she wants me to go on holidays with her later in the year to the same place where before she was acting rather loose.

Before she was in my presence a bit, i let her take phonecalls from male friends. However, after a little bit of knowing her, if anyone calls her and its a male friend of hers i just rip the phone from her hand and talk into it "she's with me right now so if you dont mind i am hanging up on you. She's to be left alone when she is with me." And i tell her to not take calls, or better yet not to bring the phone, because she can use mine. I also tell her after the first time it happened, to tell these people straight out, "i am with such and such, i can't talk."

She is happy to do that.

No one disses me, not even her now. In fact, i think its hard for her to be with other guys because of me, one because of the time she spends interacting with me on the phone and in my presence. Ofcourse the whole thing can lean to much in my favour. i.e having her around me too much, so i make sure it doesnt happen that way.

She can't help but feel that magnificent natural pull a women gets.

So point is in my opinion, this classic example, is what Port is getting at. If you act as nature intended, you get reflected in it and you get results that you, a natural man, desire. Dont go skimp on yourself.

I'll have to read this when I get a few free weeks.

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You want a deep conversation and your questions answered? I’ll give it to you and express it in an extremely logical fashion. My arguments will be based on sound reasoning...

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i almost had an orgasm when i read this

that was a nice read... only took like 2 hours (i kept stopping to do other stuff in the middle )

dig it, i also like what you typed. good goin man.

this post has provided me with a lot of thought. i definitely feel extremely... liberated right now. i would type a bigger response but im too busy thinking.

sh1t... im gonna be up all night thinking about this now.

this is like the movie Conan. it... it.. (*cryies and rubs his eye*) had everything.

damnit ... he even F**ked the witch and through her in the fire!

PRL, I see you are a very active member and this thread represents "your" views and opinions, basically The World through your eyes. I have some comments though.

I am Latin as well, so I kinda see where you're coming from. I sense most Latin Americans, specially Central American (in my experience) just feel horrorized by the idea of homesexuality. Now, this is a forum for guys, so we like girls. But see, my attitude is more like "ok, these guys like other guys, *shrugs* whatever makes them happy", and thats it. To tell you the truth before coming to the US to study, four years ago, I didn't interact much with gay people, I guess there just waren't many amongst the people I interacted with. But now, just as a turn of fate, I find myself interacting with all sorts of people, many brilliant in their own fields, some of whom are homosexual. Should these people be any "better" or "worse" than you and I as to receive different treatment from society? If we try to ultimately resolve the argument saying that the "Natural Order of Things" (like it's an answer concise and clear enough to be explained by a PERSON) goes Man->Woman->penis->vagina->coitus->pleasure->procreation. So, if you are married and you decide to break the order and use anticonceptive and skip the procreating, aren't you somehow an aberration (though you put your penis in the "correct hole"), by that rationale?

Now, about the hos ("wh@res") you talk about so much, aren't they embracing their desires as much as us? Why should a whole GENDER have to supress the desire to lead a fulfulling sexual life like the rest of us? Again, referring to the little schematic order in the prev paragraph, if they are hos because they don't use sex to procreate, is the guy who just abstinates from sex or who likes a little masturbation every now and then (let the one without guilt throw the first stone!) some sort of distorted human, not worthy of equality in rights and respect?

I could ramble for hours, but just a thought. I too see that the media nowadays portray homosexuality openly like crazy. Hell, there was a bit of that as I was growing up as well, not as much but still. But I had strong masculine role models in my family to point me in the direction that man=masculine, not affeminate. Psychological/hormonal stuff, whatever, can make other kids grow up differently. Thing is, homosexuality has been there for thousands of years whether you like it or not. It wasn't as taboo in ancient Greece apparently, and there were still clear models of the family and society, it just didn't crumble apart. And well since we were "reborn" after the Dark Ages, wasn't it a matter of time until the notion of sexual freedom came up again? Just some thoughts that came to my head as I read your views, my fellow Latin DJ. G

I can tell this was a good post, but I didn't read it yet cause I don't have time to.

I'll give it a read tomorrow, until then, good work PRL

PRL this was really an excellent post, cheers to you. I enjoyed how you went into really well defined detail on the important points where people wonder about but the questions usually are not answered.

Cheers!

I Intended to click 'edit' button but mistakenly hit 'post reply' instead - sorry.

Wow, great insight PRL

I read your whole article and what you say rings true intuitively with me. The "natural order of things". Wh@res and homos as unnatural is indeed true. And to use the term "gay" to add an amount of legitimate amount of happines to homos is something that has bothered me for a while. It used to be the term "queer" for homos way back. WOnder which friggin homo group psuedo legitemized their ways by switching from "queer" to "gay"?. I also saw way back what the feminist movement was actually doing or shall I say "misdoing" for females and ultimately creating many wh@res in the misguided equality process that females were supposed to adhere to. This is where sexuality really started to become lost as roles between males and females became blurred. I am a man and I expect my gf to be a woman.
Dig it, you had a very interesting story and the bottom line is that yah gotta be a man!

Gonzalez Bro,

I know I lost the loyalty to my argument from half of my DJ audience when I gave the hor example and lost the other half when I gave the homo example.

This is not my view or opinion, rather it is a perspective on sexuality and the natural order of things. The examples I give on the 'distortion' of sexuality are to point out how sexuality can and has been distorted in recent times and made to seem as a 'natural' and ‘good’ condition.

The Feminist, the Wh@re, and the Homo condition have all been elevated to a natural and good status only in the last 40 years - these conditions have never been embraced as 'acceptable' and natural behavior by the masses in any society since recorded history.

Although there were hors, homos, and feminists for thousands of years it was 'never' considered to be a natural and good condition - that is why their behavior and speech were hidden behind closed doors for millenniums!!! And never was there a mass movement to indoctrinate the public that those who practice this objectionable behavior and adhere to this deviant mindsets should have the same ‘benefits’ and 'rights' as a 'group' that others have in society!

To review why these behaviors and mindsets are a distortion to sexuality, I’ll do a brief summary: Simply stated, the premise that “Sexuality is a duality that creates life”, requires ‘two’ individuals with complementary natures to unite for the purpose of procreation and the continuation of life! The Feminist, Wh@re and homo violate this natural order of life by their outright and deliberate rejection of their sexuality and their natural role in the procreative process.

The feminist mindset makes her sexuality and role in the relationship ‘equal’ to the male’s role; thus, disturbing and distorting the natural harmonic balance of complementary natures (duality) that creates life!

The Wh@re sees herself outside of her submissive nature and embraces the aggressive sexual attitude that is naturally possessed by the male and has sex solely for pleasure sake and not for procreation or bonding with her husband purposes; thus, the duality that creates life is solely used for pleasure and she deliberately distorts her sexuality in the process!

The homosexual distorts his/her sexuality by joining their sexual nature with one of the same sex; thus, there are no complementary natures in the equation and this obvious destroys the duality that creates life!

My premise and arguments are solely based on sound reasoning and not emotion! I would gladly welcome any arguments based on logic why my premise is flawed. I usually only get opinions or feelings from others when the homo/hor debate is brought to the forefront.


On a side note, I went to the loca Uni and this week was "Human Rights Awareness Week".l Of the four organizations who had tables 'set-up', one was for the 'feminist' organization and another one was the Lessbian, Bisexual, Gay, Transgender society!!! What the hell is going on here --- these are "Human Rights" organizations??? The big lie continues!!!

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My premise and arguments are solely based on sound reasoning and not emotion! I would gladly welcome any arguments based on logic why my premise is flawed.

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well im trying, but... i cant find anything wrong with it

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover


This is not my view or opinion, rather it is a perspective on sexuality and the natural order of things. The examples I give on the 'distortion' of sexuality are to point out how sexuality can and has been distorted in recent times and made to seem as a 'natural' and ‘good’ condition.

The Feminist, the Wh@re, and the Homo condition have all been elevated to a natural and good status only in the last 40 years - these conditions have never been embraced as 'acceptable' and natural behavior by the masses in any society since recorded history.
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And never was there a mass movement to indoctrinate the public that those who practice this objectionable behavior and adhere to this deviant mindsets should have the same ‘benefits’ and 'rights' as a 'group' that others have in society!
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Simply stated, the premise that “Sexuality is a duality that creates life”, requires ‘two’ individuals with complementary natures to unite for the purpose of procreation and the continuation of life!
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My premise and arguments are solely based on sound reasoning and not emotion!

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I guess my beef with your argument is that it IS based on emotion and your opinion (perhaps shared my many others). If homosexuality etc exist, then it isn't a good or bad condition, it is just a condition some people find themselves living by. Whether we agree that it's good or not, up to us, but thats not to say that eg. Nature didn't want that to happen, cause then those people just wouldn't exist.

Free sex and homosexuality were not that big of a deal in Ancient Grecoroman times for example. When Rome falls, the Dark Ages followed, where with the passage of time the Catholic Church took over and imposed its judeo-christian views on people. That trend has been basically been kept until relatively in History recently that many of its notions began to be questioned. What is more, I come from Latin America as well and understand that catholicism for almost 300 years the church molded the way people think in L.America, treating anything that is not "man and wife" as an aberration, so I can understand where you're coming from. Though you might want to check the cultures in history that were more open to non judeo-christian views on sexuality, you'll be surprised by how many there were contrary to what you state above.

I don't think gays/feminists should have the same rights as everybody because they're gay, I think they should have the same rights because they're people. You see, I haven't even mentioned if I "like" girls to act as hos or guys to be all queer, but I that's not to say that their existance is an aberration, u get my point?

I addressed your statement on the relation of pleasure of sex to procreation in my previous post. I see you diligently gave a simplified version of your opinion again, so you might want to see what I wrote about that. Again, this are your views so I can't say your views are wrong, it's all for good discussion. G

By the way my name is Gonzalo, not the patronimic (Gonzales).