De'Andre Johnson Suspended From FSU

Maximus Rex · Jul 7, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1d_nzbbXvg

To give an honest assessment of the video, we need the missing piece which is the audio. However, I'm sure what was said between the two will come out at trial.

I will say this though. From my previous posts y'all can pretty much know that I go hard on a chick, but from this incident I say both sides were wrong.

Assuming that Johnson didn't grab her ass or anything like that prior. He was wrong for touching her. I understand that you don't want people hitting you, but me personally, I wouldn't have put my hands on the broad.

Ole girl was wrong for cutting the line, popping off at the mouth, balling up her fist as if she was ready to engage in a pugilistic exchange, and swinging on dude, and that's the issue we have here. This antiquated notion that men aren't suppose to hit women.

We live in egalitarian society where women got into the streets, burned their bras, hyphenated their names, and grew arm pit harm to prove that they we equal to men. However, the feminist movement isn't about equality, it's about misandry and this video is a perfect example of it.

To paraphrase the great Stan Lee, "With equality, there also must come great responsibility. With chicks, they want all of the equality, but none of the responsibility.

We as men understand that if we disrespect, mouth off to another man, and we go as far to hit another dude, we fully expect to be hit back. Women, (for whatever reason,) don't want to accept this simple concept, and as a result you have incidents like this and what happened with Ray Rice happen every so often. The lies in that we allow the feminists to control discussion and turn it into a men shouldn't hit women argument, instead of what it should be, which is people shouldn't hit people argument. Also, why wasn't the chick, (who instigated the altercation suspended from her extracurricular activities. We as a society have to giving women a pass in this respect because if we don't it's going to lead to women being injured and/or killed.

speed dawg · Jul 7, 2015

It's funny to me that you can see the double standard in this situation, but you can't in all those other threads. Like say, when a cop shoots a guy and is immediately considered guilty due to bait politics. By the way, I agree completely about the women's equality.

She shouldn't have swung at him. If he did something to her, she should have gotten the bouncers or something. But it's hard to condemn her, dude comes up pushing around that black-headed girl then starts pushing the blonde girl. He then grabs her and tries to push her out of the way. She swings, he decks her, and poof, he throws his immediate life down the toilet.

He now suffers the consequences, he's off the team and expelled from the University. I hope he enjoys JUCO if that. He was walking around pushing people like a prick, so no, I don't feel sorry for him. On her end, she likely won't be so likely to swing at a guy in this situation next time. Everybody wins.

The more I watch, the more it seems like a case can be made that the girl was defending herself. He clearly was grabbing her. But you don't take a swing at someone unless you're willing to throw down. Lesson learned. It has likely played out as it should, like I said in the previous paragraph.

Bible_Belt · Jul 7, 2015

That was not self-defense. That was aggravated battery. He started it by shoving her in the first place, trying to hip check her out of his way. There was no reasonable apprehension of bodily harm, and the force he retaliated with was excessive. Nothing about that was self-defense.

Someone should have just beat the fvck out of that guy the instant that happened. You can tell the two hipster-looking guys to the right are scared sh!tless.

speed dawg · Jul 7, 2015

Bible_Belt said:
That was not self-defense. That was aggravated battery. He started it by shoving her in the first place, trying to hip check her out of his way. There was no reasonable apprehension of bodily harm, and the force he retaliated with was excessive. Nothing about that was self-defense.

If you are replying to me, I meant that the girl was defending herself against him as the aggressor (given it wasn't violent at that point). Ie, he started the whole confrontation. So we agree. Basically, I don't blame her for getting in his face and trying to push him back. Swinging at him? Eh, not sure that was called for, plus, I mean you have to consider the consequences. The immediate consequences, which she now knows.

Bible_Belt said:
Someone should have just beat the fvck out of that guy the instant that happened. You can tell the two hipster-looking guys to the right are scared sh!tless.

Well, you're talking about a hipster vs. a football player. That won't end well for the hipster. Have to consider reality. Plus then they would have gotten charged with assault. You're a lawyer, you know this.

Jaylan · Jul 7, 2015

Bible_Belt said:
That was not self-defense. That was aggravated battery. He started it by shoving her in the first place, trying to hip check her out of his way. There was no reasonable apprehension of bodily harm, and the force he retaliated with was excessive. Nothing about that was self-defense.

Someone should have just beat the fvck out of that guy the instant that happened. You can tell the two hipster-looking guys to the right are scared sh!tless.

Agree completely.

That azzhole was pushing up on the girl, trying to provoke her. She then raises her fist to tell him to back off, then he grabs her and thats why she swung. He then hit her, and now his football career is over.

He's a b!tch made punk to go picking fights with a woman. I doubt he pulls this sh!t if it was a big guy sitting in that seat in front of him. Id bet my life savings that Johnson wouldnt be pushing a big dude in the back repeatedly and then talking garbage after being warned to back off. And he certainly wouldnt of grabbed the dude if he got a raised fist as a final warning.

Johnson was picking a fight with a woman...because he's a dumb ass.

Poonani Maker · Jul 7, 2015

When she beat him to the bar or "cut in front of him," he should've just said, "B!tch hoe" and waited his turn, but he is obviously ANGRY, in an ANGRY STATE of mind, so from that state Flowed to fight, with Anybody that night, not just Her. Why he was in an Angry pitiful state, no one knows. Obviously wasn't having a "good time." She shouldn't have cut in front of him though. I've had that happen, but B!tches are selfish and they do it ALL the TIME. He's only 19 and hasn't seen these b!tches cut in line like that ALL the Fvcking TIME. He's young and Dumb, inexperienced. You've got to let that sh!t go.

Bible_Belt · Jul 7, 2015

The right of self-defense is transferable. If you are defending someone who has the legal right to use self-defense, then you have the same right as them. The problem would be the way he turned and ran as soon as he hit her, as soon as someone turns away, then it's not self-defense any more, it's retaliation, which is never legally justifiable.

But if you saw the confrontation brewing, and you could deck him the instant he swung at her, before he turned away, that would be legally justifiable self-defense.

And I mean that only as an academic point; I'm not trying to encourage anyone to bar fight. Another rule of tort law is that there is never a duty to aid. No matter what you see happening to someone, you are never under a legal obligation to help them.

dasein · Jul 8, 2015

Bible_Belt said:
That was not self-defense. That was aggravated battery. He started it by shoving her in the first place, trying to hip check her out of his way. There was no reasonable apprehension of bodily harm, and the force he retaliated with was excessive. Nothing about that was self-defense.

Someone should have just beat the fvck out of that guy the instant that happened. You can tell the two hipster-looking guys to the right are scared sh!tless.

That's not what I saw in the video at all, I saw a man trying to angle to an empty space at a crowded bar, which goes on at crowded bars in tens of thousands of places every night. Patrons assume the risk of such mild forms of contact by choosing to remain in such a crowded place, and assume it especially by remaining at a bar when they are not in need of a drink themselves. He did not barrel into her, shove her, etc., merely tried to slide past her. Business as usual. Given the venue, no unlawful act occurred until the instant she balled her fist. Balling one's fist is in no world or way a proper response to someone trying to move past you to get to an empty space at a crowded bar.

Watch closely and note that though there was in fact plenty of space at the bar, she was trying to prevent him from moving into it. Not legally dispositive, but goes to her state of mind of hostility.

Saw a woman turn and plainly assault him first in the act of balling her fist within striking distance of his face, which is assault by statutory definition in my state "reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury," and I bet in Fla. too.

EDIT, turns out is in in FLA too:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html

In Fla, as in most jurisdictions, assault is primarily defined as a "threat," not any actual contact, which would be a battery.

Balling a fist in someone's face 1 foot away is a layup for "reasonable apprehension." If it were Mike Tyson balling the fist, you WKs (jk) would be singing a very different tune, luckily the law is blind or is supposed to be.

Saw the victim of the assault, Johnson, react in reasonable self defense in trying to restrain her arms and pushing her back, because he could not withdraw (and though SYG usually applies only to threats of serious bodily harm or death, that analysis/theory could be brought in, there are lots of potentially lethal weapons within reach of a bar to someone willing to raise and ball their fist). Saw her then commit a second "direct" assault AND a battery in striking him, to which he responded by tussling with her and a rather weak retaliatory slap. His reaction was reasonable, prudent and justified given that he was in fact assaulted twice.

Then I saw our wretched gynocratic WK cultural factors at play where people rush to the instigator/perpetrator's aid because she is female.

1. No one "punched" anyone in that video.
2. She committed two counts of assault and one of battery, and should be arrested.
3. He defended himself reasonably, especially in a stand your ground state.

I don't think any -reasonable- judge would disagree with the above, but am certain our average gynocratically poisoned jury pool would.

I would encourage Johnson, the clear victim here, to sue the university, believe he has an excellent case.

FT Miami · Jul 9, 2015

dasein said:
That's not what I saw in the video at all, I saw a man trying to angle to an empty space at a crowded bar, which goes on at crowded bars in tens of thousands of places every night. Patrons assume the risk of such mild forms of contact by choosing to remain in such a crowded place, and assume it especially by remaining at a bar when they are not in need of a drink themselves. He did not barrel into her, shove her, etc., merely tried to slide past her. Business as usual. Given the venue, no unlawful act occurred until the instant she balled her fist. Balling one's fist is in no world or way a proper response to someone trying to move past you to get to an empty space at a crowded bar.

Watch closely and note that though there was in fact plenty of space at the bar, she was trying to prevent him from moving into it. Not legally dispositive, but goes to her state of mind of hostility.

Saw a woman turn and plainly assault him first in the act of balling her fist within striking distance of his face, which is assault by statutory definition in my state "reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury," and I bet in Fla. too.

EDIT, turns out is in in FLA too:

In Fla, as in most jurisdictions, assault is primarily defined as a "threat," not any actual contact, which would be a battery.

Balling a fist in someone's face 1 foot away is a layup for "reasonable apprehension." If it were Mike Tyson balling the fist, you WKs (jk) would be singing a very different tune, luckily the law is blind or is supposed to be.

Saw the victim of the assault, Johnson, react in reasonable self defense in trying to restrain her arms and pushing her back, because he could not withdraw (and though SYG usually applies only to threats of serious bodily harm or death, that analysis/theory could be brought in, there are lots of potentially lethal weapons within reach of a bar to someone willing to raise and ball their fist). Saw her then commit a second "direct" assault AND a battery in striking him, to which he responded by tussling with her and a rather weak retaliatory slap. His reaction was reasonable, prudent and justified given that he was in fact assaulted twice.

Then I saw our wretched gynocratic WK cultural factors at play where people rush to the instigator/perpetrator's aid because she is female.

1. No one "punched" anyone in that video.
2. She committed two counts of assault and one of battery, and should be arrested.
3. He defended himself reasonably, especially in a stand your ground state.

I don't think any -reasonable- judge would disagree with the above, but am certain our average gynocratically poisoned jury pool would.

I would encourage Johnson, the clear victim here, to sue the university, believe he has an excellent case.

Unfortunately your gay.

LiveFreeX · Jul 9, 2015

Swinging at him?

Everyone should ask themselves, would I swing at him if he were a Muslim? If the answer is no, then back down.

She is obviously leveraging her status against his. Would she do the same in the Middle East? I highly doubt it, bad behavior is reserved for the West.

De'Andre Johnson Suspended From FSU

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