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A lot of what determines one’s interpersonal relationships, especially with members of the opposite sex, has a lot to do with how one has been socialized. I first noticed this by noticing that fat chicks tended to have certain behaviors and attitudes that are strikingly different from thin chicks – something in their personality. Then I noticed a simular thing between ugly chicks, average chicks, and hot chicks. Then it occurred to me.

It is a lot along the line of one tends to act in response to the way others see them or as they think others see them. Everyone tends to think that their babies are cute but the reality is that some just aren’t that cute and only get uglier as they grow. Others truly are cute and get cuter only in a different way as they grow. This matters; as people, in general, tend to treat better looking people better than average looking people and ugly people worse. From one’s birth onward, one is constantly facing these differences.

Take, for instance a cute little girl. When people see her they often smile and as such she tends to smile when she meets people, which only makes her more cute and get a greater response out of those she encounters. An ugly little girl, on the other hand, doesn’t get a constant stream of smiles and thus doesn’t normally smile when she meets others. As just the fact of youth tends to have a cuteness to it and most programming geared towards children tends to put on a happy face; this difference isn’t at first noticed but as those little girls grow into young women the differences can be great. This difference in socialization also applies to men.

What this all amounts to is that better looking people tend to have more and more positive social interactions whereas uglier people tend to have less and more negative social interactions. That means that a better looking person tends to have a more developed social sense and pick up on most of the little clues whereas the less socialized uglier person has a less developed social sense and often misses little clues.

Thus; in a social setting the better looking men and women will tend to interact at a level that those lower on the socialization scale may fail to pick up on. The better looking will tend to have a more cheerful vibrant personality whereas the ugly tend to have a more sour drab personality.

The point of this is to point out the importance of looks. A point being that an average man with all the game in the world is at a distinct disadvantage to a good looking man because he lacks the socialization to properly communicate with good looking women.

Here is something to illustrate the powerfulness of this socialization due to looks. Say a boy grows up with an abusive father who is always telling the boy that he is stupid and ugly and no one could possibly like him. A less attractive boy would tend to believe the words of his abusive father and forever have problems fitting in socially. A good looking boy on the other hand will run into girls who will have an opposite opinion of him. With the words of his abusive father being rather hurtful and the words of the girls he meets so pleasurable, the girls will tend to undo much of the damage the abusive father causes.
 

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Dear Spuds,
Absolutely right....The Jesuits said years ago,give us the Child,we will give you the Man...We are all conditioned as Kids,as certain dispositions are triggered in us,by about eight or nine,we are who we will always be,that is not to say you can't put on a thin veneer of deception to fool the World,that will get you by,but when the Chips are down you will peel this off as a Lady peels off her Dancing gloves,and revert to type!
 

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potato said:
Everyone tends to think that their babies are cute but the reality is that some just aren’t that cute and only get uglier as they grow. Others truly are cute and get cuter only in a different way as they grow.
You make a good point. But sometimes people are cute when they are young and then lose their looks when they grow up. Sometimes people are homely but later on they become more attractive. I can think of numerous examples from my high school class. A few years later, some of the hotties blimped out, and some of the "ugly ducklings" matured and became very sexy.

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Take, for instance a cute little girl. When people see her they often smile and as such she tends to smile when she meets people, which only makes her more cute and get a greater response out of those she encounters. An ugly little girl, on the other hand, doesn’t get a constant stream of smiles and thus doesn’t normally smile when she meets others. As just the fact of youth tends to have a cuteness to it and most programming geared towards children tends to put on a happy face; this difference isn’t at first noticed but as those little girls grow into young women the differences can be great. This difference in socialization also applies to men.
This is why some say that attractive women are easier to pick up than unattractive women. Attractive women are used to having positive experiences with men. They see a new guy and think here's another guy who's going to like me.

Regarding socialization, a lot of other factors go into it as well. The lifestyle of your parents can make a big difference. If they socialize with other parents who have kids your age it can help you get used to socializing with your peers. I was mostly around adults when I was a youngster, and I had a hard time adjusting once I started going to school.
 

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I've always belived this.

I will give you a pefect example. I've been "smart" my entire life. I mean just for the sake of this post I will give you a breakdown of my life / school.

when I was in 3rd grade something clicked and the work we were doing just because extremely easy. the teacher would put the **** on the chalkboard for the day and i would be done usually by lunch and play checkers the rest of the day with another kid in class who was smart like i was. the work was a breeze. so I got tested for talented and gifted classes, and passed with flying colors.

so then they whisked me off to this magnet school that cherry picked smart kids from around the city and surrounding cities and we had an advanced circiulum. I was doing algebra towards the end of my 4th grade year. while the classes were much harder and i actually had to try, i still kept for the most part straight A's. "oh you are so smart" not just me everyone in our class. there were like 25 of us, cherry picked from around the entire city. we were supposed to be 25 of the smartest kids in the state. everyone bent over backwards to tell us just how smart we were.


this went on until high school. I went to a Jr high that was the same people for the most part, advanced classes.

Imagine your entire life people telling you that you are very bright. Not just "oh he makes good grades" smart, but smarter than everyone else around you smart.


When I got out in the real world, it's part of the reason I'm as.. arrogant as I am because people have told me I'm smart my entire life. I know i'm smart. like a HB 9 knows she's an HB9, I know I have above avg intelligence. My business partner was another one of those 25 kids and we were like ****, if anyone can do this it's us lol.

I didn't even go to college and I.. ****, I KNOW i'm smarter than most people who have graduated college. I dated woman with degrees and at no point did I ever feel like I didn't belong in that relationship. My wife has a double major and she while she's no dummie, she's not on my level and she will tell you that.


In that sense, I can kinda understand the plight of the HB9. I honestly think I can do anything I Put my mind to. Because frankly everyone has told me I could my entire life and for the most part, I have. I can see how the HB 9 thinks she deserves super macho millionaire alpha male because her entire life everyone has told her just how hot she is and she's seen it her entire life.

I like to say that hey I'm not smarter than you, but really.. i really am lol.
 

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I didn't even go to college and I.. ****, I KNOW i'm smarter than most people who have graduated college.
Your grammatical skills suggest otherwise..

EDIT: Colossus beat me to it!
 

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backbreaker said:
I've always belived this.

I will give you a pefect example. I've been "smart" my entire life. I mean just for the sake of this post I will give you a breakdown of my life / school.

when I was in 3rd grade something clicked and the work we were doing just because extremely easy. the teacher would put the **** on the chalkboard for the day and i would be done usually by lunch and play checkers the rest of the day with another kid in class who was smart like i was. the work was a breeze. so I got tested for talented and gifted classes, and passed with flying colors.

so then they whisked me off to this magnet school that cherry picked smart kids from around the city and surrounding cities and we had an advanced circiulum. I was doing algebra towards the end of my 4th grade year. while the classes were much harder and i actually had to try, i still kept for the most part straight A's. "oh you are so smart" not just me everyone in our class. there were like 25 of us, cherry picked from around the entire city. we were supposed to be 25 of the smartest kids in the state. everyone bent over backwards to tell us just how smart we were.


this went on until high school. I went to a Jr high that was the same people for the most part, advanced classes.

Imagine your entire life people telling you that you are very bright. Not just "oh he makes good grades" smart, but smarter than everyone else around you smart.


When I got out in the real world, it's part of the reason I'm as.. arrogant as I am because people have told me I'm smart my entire life. I know i'm smart. like a HB 9 knows she's an HB9, I know I have above avg intelligence. My business partner was another one of those 25 kids and we were like ****, if anyone can do this it's us lol.

I didn't even go to college and I.. ****, I KNOW i'm smarter than most people who have graduated college. I dated woman with degrees and at no point did I ever feel like I didn't belong in that relationship. My wife has a double major and she while she's no dummie, she's not on my level and she will tell you that.


In that sense, I can kinda understand the plight of the HB9. I honestly think I can do anything I Put my mind to. Because frankly everyone has told me I could my entire life and for the most part, I have. I can see how the HB 9 thinks she deserves super macho millionaire alpha male because her entire life everyone has told her just how hot she is and she's seen it her entire life.

I like to say that hey I'm not smarter than you, but really.. i really am lol.

Ah. I always got "is smart and capable, but lazy" I never even saw the point of school. While barely paying attention I could get by. I was called lazy and disorganized but by the time I was in jr high I had written about 150 individual comic books of my won creation and I had two artist drawing them for me. I'm not lazy about something i'm passionate about. My comic universe bible was massive. Back stories for days on end. School just never held any passion. For me it's no passion = no motivation = no fvcks given. That's on everything in my life including women. You can be beautiful as the day is long but I would rather take the woman who inspires passion than just pure aesthetics brah. Even when it comes to socializing. If I think you are stupid or boring I can't be arsed to be engaged. I can hardly be polite. Then again, I'm not good looking so maybe that's why the non-good looking people are "sour". We have other shyt on our minds and no patience for aesthetically pleasing passionless vapidity.
 

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lol non taken. It's funny because my wife is like the Aldof Hitler of Grammar Nazi's it just kills her and I'm all like

http://i.qkme.me/35id3o.jpg

I mean I'm not trying to brag; for what I have in imagination and creative abilities, which is where the strength of my intelligence lies, I lack in other areas and I struggle with **** just like everyone else. I was just trying to outline how that can work and I wholeheartedly agree with it.

Speaking specifically with women I tend to look at women through a positive lens because even though I was an AFC, I had some success with women my entire life. I can however understand a guy coming here who is like a 25 year old virgin is not going ot have the same outlook on women as I have and visa versa.


But back to my first point with the intelligence thing. There are defiantly people smarter than I am. I'm not a genius or some ****. I'm just stating and outlining that, seedcase people treated me like I'm smart my entire life, because I've been told I'm smart my entire life, I act (though don't spell) like a smart person. I have a smart person's job, I do smart people **** and i have the confidence of a person who is intelligent. Had I been told I'm a useless idiot my entire life I doubt I would be where I am now.
 

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Lol BB. A little humility wouldn't hurt..
 

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SteR said:
Lol BB. A little humility wouldn't hurt..
No one is more humble than I am!
 

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potato said:
A lot of what determines one’s interpersonal relationships, especially with members of the opposite sex, has a lot to do with how one has been socialized. I first noticed this by noticing that fat chicks tended to have certain behaviors and attitudes that are strikingly different from thin chicks – something in their personality. Then I noticed a simular thing between ugly chicks, average chicks, and hot chicks. Then it occurred to me.

It is a lot along the line of one tends to act in response to the way others see them or as they think others see them. Everyone tends to think that their babies are cute but the reality is that some just aren’t that cute and only get uglier as they grow. Others truly are cute and get cuter only in a different way as they grow. This matters; as people, in general, tend to treat better looking people better than average looking people and ugly people worse. From one’s birth onward, one is constantly facing these differences.

Take, for instance a cute little girl. When people see her they often smile and as such she tends to smile when she meets people, which only makes her more cute and get a greater response out of those she encounters. An ugly little girl, on the other hand, doesn’t get a constant stream of smiles and thus doesn’t normally smile when she meets others. As just the fact of youth tends to have a cuteness to it and most programming geared towards children tends to put on a happy face; this difference isn’t at first noticed but as those little girls grow into young women the differences can be great. This difference in socialization also applies to men.

What this all amounts to is that better looking people tend to have more and more positive social interactions whereas uglier people tend to have less and more negative social interactions. That means that a better looking person tends to have a more developed social sense and pick up on most of the little clues whereas the less socialized uglier person has a less developed social sense and often misses little clues.

Thus; in a social setting the better looking men and women will tend to interact at a level that those lower on the socialization scale may fail to pick up on. The better looking will tend to have a more cheerful vibrant personality whereas the ugly tend to have a more sour drab personality.

The point of this is to point out the importance of looks. A point being that an average man with all the game in the world is at a distinct disadvantage to a good looking man because he lacks the socialization to properly communicate with good looking women.

Here is something to illustrate the powerfulness of this socialization due to looks. Say a boy grows up with an abusive father who is always telling the boy that he is stupid and ugly and no one could possibly like him. A less attractive boy would tend to believe the words of his abusive father and forever have problems fitting in socially. A good looking boy on the other hand will run into girls who will have an opposite opinion of him. With the words of his abusive father being rather hurtful and the words of the girls he meets so pleasurable, the girls will tend to undo much of the damage the abusive father causes.
i'm guessing this is what makes some guys successful with attracting women at an early age, like the teenage years and high school, these guys we call "naturals", it's like they were born with "Game", knowing how to approach and talk to women, getting a girlfriend, i'm guessing it is how they were raised, their upbringing from what it sounds like
 

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The thinking that led to me writing the OP originated when I ran into a woman (who here I’ll call Valerie) who I knew when we were kids. In tenth grade I had a girlfriend who was one of the more popular, if not the most popular, girl(s) in school. Valerie was one of her close friends and equally as popular. Being kids the relationship didn’t last long but it, among other things helped cement my position as one of the more popular boys and very much a part of the “in crowd”.

There was another girl who here I’ll call Angela. Angela was one of those kids that would skip class and hang out behind the shop building smoking cigarettes. I guess you could call her one of the bad girls. She had a crush on me and wanted to lose her virginity with me, which eventually happened. Even though she had a charm to her, she really wasn’t that pretty and had a personality – a low classiness - that made me almost embarrassed to be seen with her. Yet when we were alone, just her and I, I much enjoyed her company, or possibly it was just teenage lust – on both our parts.

One day Valerie pulled me aside telling me that people like us didn’t date people like Angela. I agreed with her as by then I had come to realize that there was a fundamental difference between Angela and her friends and Valerie, me, and our crowd. It had a lot to do with how we were treated by others, how we interacted with the outside world.


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i'm guessing this is what makes some guys successful with attracting women at an early age, like the teenage years and high school, these guys we call "naturals", it's like they were born with "Game", knowing how to approach and talk to women, getting a girlfriend, i'm guessing it is how they were raised, their upbringing from what it sounds like
I don’t think that it is that “naturals” are born with “Game” as much as “naturals” naturally attract girls/women. It is a pretty easy game to play if the woman wants you before you even get started, especially if she sticks her hand down your pants to get things going.
 

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The thinking that led to me writing the OP originated when I ran into a woman (who here I’ll call Valerie) who I knew when we were kids. In tenth grade I had a girlfriend who was one of the more popular, if not the most popular, girl(s) in school. Valerie was one of her close friends and equally as popular. Being kids the relationship didn’t last long but it, among other things helped cement my position as one of the more popular boys and very much a part of the “in crowd”.

There was another girl who here I’ll call Angela. Angela was one of those kids that would skip class and hang out behind the shop building smoking cigarettes. I guess you could call her one of the bad girls. She had a crush on me and wanted to lose her virginity with me, which eventually happened. Even though she had a charm to her, she really wasn’t that pretty and had a personality – a low classiness - that made me almost embarrassed to be seen with her. Yet when we were alone, just her and I, I much enjoyed her company, or possibly it was just teenage lust – on both our parts.

One day Valerie pulled me aside telling me that people like us didn’t date people like Angela. I agreed with her as by then I had come to realize that there was a fundamental difference between Angela and her friends and Valerie, me, and our crowd. It had a lot to do with how we were treated by others, how we interacted with the outside world.


I don’t think that it is that “naturals” are born with “Game” as much as “naturals” naturally attract girls/women. It is a pretty easy game to play if the woman wants you before you even get started, especially if she sticks her hand down your pants to get things going.
true, but a lot of us guys who struggle with attracting women, a lot of us never even see or notice women looking at us or smiling at us, like we never get the "green light" metaphorically speaking to make our move, approach and go talk to her and then ask her out, if I was receiving those green lights from girls I would definetley not hesitate to go approach and talk to her, and ask her out, now that's not to say I am a completely passive person, I do my share of approaching and asking out although I will admit I should do more, I guess I just limit my approach settings, mainly I've been comfortable doing it in bars and clubs
 

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Last night I went to play pool with one of my business associates. He's 42, his girlfriend is 24, very cute. Her sister and three other girls came along. 24,23, 21. All of them were very attractive but the 21 year old. She fat, loud, aggressive, antagonistic, displayed low self esteem, abrasive personality and constantly was yelling about how she was HUNGRY! Talk about a turn off. If she wasn't the sister of the hot chic she would have been ostracized from the group. Later hearing the other girls talk, none of them can stand her. I personally found myself making any excuse not to talk to her or look in her direction.

She obviously picked up the vibe as she got louder and more abrasive. Eventually calling some low class orbiters to come and make her feel better. These guys show up and are all over her big fat ass like she was water in the desert. She then strutted around like she was the cat's meow. Which was great, it gave everyone else a breather as we all moved to another table to play.

I thought about "socialization" so I asked her sister a few discreet questions and found out the following. Fatty was the youngest of 5 children. Single Momma was tired and let her do and eat what ever she wanted. She's been fat her whole life. She's been socialized as a spoiled fat girl. That's a horrible thing to do to a child. She has no idea how disgusting she appears to other people.
 

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The thing about socialization is that it's not just parenting or family life, it's socialization by peers and the society at large.

For most people a lot of socialization is done at public school, starting at age 5 all the way up to 18 and through the development years. And also by spending time with other neighborhood kids.

For males, if you are not attractive and outgoing, you're going to get little positive socialization and a lot of negative.

Females get free positive socialization because whether a female is outgoing or not, the males have the burden of socializing and be picked by females to socialize with. If you are not an attractive and outgoing male, then you are socially isolated. So a typical male with no better than average looks and not extraverted has his hands full pursuing positive female socialization and mostly receiving negative socialization from females and males both. Sometimes withdrawing socially makes more sense.

School from primary all the way through college was just a feminist and female-centric experience where females are pedestaled and where most males are treated harshly and as lower class. That is unless you were one of the boys of superior looks, outgoingness and appeared to have well to do parents.

All this sh!t that puts males at a social disadvantage is not primarily from parenting, but from socialization in public schools and from peers and the feminist school faculty. Being in the right public or private school could very well make you or break you from developing into a "natural" or a "loser".
 

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Stagger Lee said:
The thing about socialization is that it's not just parenting or family life, it's socialization by peers and the society at large.

For most people a lot of socialization is done at public school, starting at age 5 all the way up to 18 and through the development years. And also by spending time with other neighborhood kids….
Exactly

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…School from primary all the way through college was just a feminist and female-centric experience where females are pedestaled and where most males are treated harshly and as lower class.
Really? I mean really? I’m taking it that you missed out on a whole lot of social development.

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All this sh!t that puts males at a social disadvantage is not primarily from parenting, but from socialization in public schools and from peers and the feminist school faculty.
Actually you’re only seeing it from a narrow point of view. Males aren’t all disadvantaged. Females want males as much as males want females. For every guy that you complain is disadvantaged another is advantaged. Don’t delude yourself; there are as many females who never got asked to the dance as guys who never got a girl to go to the dance with him.

Thing is; whatever traits that you have that have kept you out of the socialization loop; one or both of your parents have the same or simular traits. Somehow they got together. It seems to me that nature prefers people who aren’t all that great – there are so many more of them. Somehow they are all getting together reproducing in much greater quantities than the beautiful people are.
 

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Sometimes I have to question if you are male and live in the US.

My family was solidly middle class despite my mother stayed at home but the schools were not good if you were an average sized and good natured male.

I remember starting in kindergarten, the fat female teacher always showed up late very morning leaving all the kids alone in the room. Some boys would climb up on tables and jump off on top of you. The girl just stood around and enjoyed the entertainment.

On the playground during recess, there was a big retarded agressive kid that would rough up me and I remember my neighbor friend. The teachers never cared.

I remember in 3rd grade the fat, feminist teacher doted on her girls. One time a new kid arrived to class and me and this other kid who was a sort of troublemaker were playing on recess. More like the new chunky kid was throwing us around. One of the girls told the teacher we were picking on the new kid. The teacher told her, "OK write down everything we did". The teacher later took me and the other kid out in the hall and paddles us. I literally had bruises on my butt.

The teachers would sometimes make a boy sit in a corner or out in the hallway alone half the day for minor reason or for no good reason at all.

One time the school bus driver dropped me and my neighbor kids off and the two older kids harassing me on the school bus off a half mile from our normal bus stops, so I had to fight these two kids. I remember the bus driver joked, "I'll be back by to pick up the bodies."

It was constant bullies, fighting, being punished for some minor thing or something that wasn't even your fault, kids constantly trying to establish pecking order etc. I could go on forever. Meanwhile the girls just sat back and watched the entertainment, oftentimes instigating sh!t.

Then middle school/high school less fights because now you're bigger and stronger. But now after all the hell you went through as a boy, you need to be outgoing and good looking enough to compete for girls' attention. Others still tried to shake your confidence. The life of an average male is a struggle.
 

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Warrior74 said:
Last night I went to play pool with one of my business associates. He's 42, his girlfriend is 24, very cute. Her sister and three other girls came along. 24,23, 21. All of them were very attractive but the 21 year old. She fat, loud, aggressive, antagonistic, displayed low self esteem, abrasive personality and constantly was yelling about how she was HUNGRY! Talk about a turn off. If she wasn't the sister of the hot chic she would have been ostracized from the group. Later hearing the other girls talk, none of them can stand her. I personally found myself making any excuse not to talk to her or look in her direction.

She obviously picked up the vibe as she got louder and more abrasive. Eventually calling some low class orbiters to come and make her feel better. These guys show up and are all over her big fat ass like she was water in the desert. She then strutted around like she was the cat's meow. Which was great, it gave everyone else a breather as we all moved to another table to play.

I thought about "socialization" so I asked her sister a few discreet questions and found out the following. Fatty was the youngest of 5 children. Single Momma was tired and let her do and eat what ever she wanted. She's been fat her whole life. She's been socialized as a spoiled fat girl. That's a horrible thing to do to a child. She has no idea how disgusting she appears to other people.
too old in my opinion, hopefully that is not me when i'm that age but anyway, but it really seems as if some guys are just naturally instinctively born knowing how to talk to girls from the moment they hit puberty
 
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