Epic fail... totally owned by Hb8!

Its Saturday afternoon and its been a while since I went sarging. So I put my best gear on and head to the closest local mall.I walk into a "Cowboy Apparel" store and am immediately greeted by a "Grenade" (the store manager) who I smile at but ignore. Then an "Hb8" approaches me that works there.

(keep in mind this approach starts out as expected but goes to hell in the end)

Hb8: Can I help you with anything?

Me: Yea sure..ah...wait a second...are you German..you have got a huge accent!

Hb8: Nooo...haha..my family is Norwegian but I was born here in the States. So are you looking for particular type of shoes?

Me: Yea...what do you think would look better.. the point edge or the squared?

Hb8: I dont know..it all depends on the person...I think either one would work on you?

------ While I am trying on different shoes..

Me: So random question...do girls or guys lie more?

Hb8: I think they both do..but again that depends also.

Me: I disagree...girls do...and they are good at hiding it too..

Hb8: Oooook...where did this all come from?

Me: Well I am entitled to my opinion...

Hb8: Well...I do really have a problem with girls here...I miss my hometown girls and my horses too

Me: Wait..I love horses...you must be a thrill seeker and you know what they say about thrill seekers?

Hb8: What?

Me: They are very visual when they think (some bull**** I made up on spot)

Hb8: Really?

Me: Well I really have to go but there is a visualization exercise that I use to allow people to learn more about their subconcious....lets play a game!

Hb8: Well I didnt come here to play games! haha

Me: I know...you are helping me pick out shoes ...so sush.

------ I pull The Cube routine on her

Hb8: Nice..you were pretty spot on...do you know about different colors and assocaited personalities?

Me: As a matter of fact I do.

Hb8: Yea i love talking about that kind of stuff

Me: Yea its cool..but I have to go now...how can we continue this conversation in the future?

Hb8: I dont think we should..I have a boyfriend.

Me: I didnt ask you that.

Hb8: I know but still! haha

(I take a step back..wash rinse repeat)

Me: Oh wait a sec..I almost forgot about the shirts...show me where they are?

Hb8: Yea come on!

---Hb8 stands there for 20 minutes while I look at shirts..there are plenty of other customers in the store and her manager keeps looking at her noticing that she is just giving her undivided attention to me

Hb8: So which shirt are you getting?

Me: None! They all look like they have been worn for a year by other people. You know I just moved here and the apartments here are run down. Where do you recommend staying?

HB8: Well where do you live now?

Me: Apartment Name

----Hb8 turns red and keeps herself from laughing

Me: Whats so funny?

Hb8: Nevermind!

Me: Well..now ur gonna have to tell me

Hb8: I live there too actually!

-----A couple of customers ask her for help....so she goes to help them. I walk away just to see if she will follow me. I also notice she is talking to her manager, giggling and smiling.then five minutes

later she finds me!

Me: Woah..are you creeping on me or something??

Hb8: NO! haha..you are the one creeping on me!

Me: Wait a second...(I point to her shoes)..did you get those from North Pole..those look pretty run down

Hb8: No they do not! haha

Me: ohh...wait...is that wig( pointing to her hair)...well it looks good anyway!

Hb8: You are sooo full of yourself..haha

Me: Well I am running really late...I have to go....do you have facebook?

Hb8: Yes I do but I dont use it.

Me: Do you have an email?

Hb8: No...I am not very technology friendly..thats what phones are for

Me: I have to run..nice meeting you...(I offer to shake her hands...BIG FARKING MISTAKE)

Hb8: (Smiles and backs away)..I doooooont thinkkkkk sooo!


This gets my by surprise. I have NEVER had a girl do that to me..but again I have never offered to shake a girls hand either. I figure she spent over an hour following me, so I figured I would respectfully leave her and depart.I was FARKING OWNED. I know I made a mistake by offering my hand but I think things starting doing downhill earlier... what do I need to fix boys? Be harsh...I will take the criticism.

Should have pulled out your cell phone and got her digits.

What was up with the girls vs guys lying more thing? Seemed out of place, like you had nothing better to say. That and it just seems a little overused. Case in point: you came on too strong.

She knew your game plan. Like in a game of chess, you won't win if the other player knows what you're trying to do. You seemed like you were trying too hard, and she knew it. Once you found some common ground you did fine, but before that you were a beast with its head cut off. You should have asked for her number again once she said, "that's what a phone is for".

Next time just try not to be all over the place, and go with the flow.

Your princess will be in another castle with a motherf**ker who actually asked for the number and didn't friendzone himself!

Case closed. Damn! Exit the courtroom.

foreverace87 said:

Me: So random question...do girls or guys lie more?

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Like Eph says, this is pretty overused. Not only is this Mystery Method, I think it was even featured on his The Pickup Artist show. Then to be even more PUA cliched, you run The Cube. Not very original, the whole bit sounds stale to me. Regardless, I don't know why you didn't just ask for her number.

You hit on the help. Never works.

I used to run The Cube a decade ago.

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/dont-hit-on-women-who-are-paid-to-be-nice-to-you/

LOL...Only dumb ass drunk skanks fall for that PUA canned crap, man.

Well that made for some cringeworthy reading!

Full marks for effort and showing balls, but the execution was the problem. You really do have to be a natural smooth talker to get away with this stuff and the reality is most men aren't. I find I can tease a girl and wind her up once I have built up some rapport with her.

I've tried to do what you have done a few times and was always shot down in the flames.

foreverace87 said:

Me: Well I really have to go but there is a visualization exercise that I use to allow people to learn more about their subconcious....lets play a game!

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Let's play a game? Who are you...her 7 year old nephew? Might as well ask her to take you to the zoo and buy you a cup of Dippin Dots while you look at cute little penguins and $hit.


Way too many forced PUA tactics here. Like others said, go with the flow and just ask her for the number. There's so many ways to dodge the "I have a boyfriend" line.

What is with some of you guys who just regurgitate lines you read in an article without care for the context? Painful. Also, those articles you read are 10 years old.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you posted here wanting feedback (for that I commend you) and I just really want to instill in you fear of ever using PUA lines again.

Those lines are lame in the first place, but when you just randomly drop them in it really showcases serious social awkwardness on your part. Out of nowhere: "Who lies more, guys or girls." WTF? Out of freaking nowhere!

That line sucks anyhow. They all do. What I don't get about all these stupid canned openers is that it is SO much easier to just say, "He,y how's it going?" and chit chat organically.

no offense to the OP, but if that was the dialogue that transpired, that was PAINFUL. wow. She sounded hot and was probably used to guys hitting on her ( fine), and you tried playing the ****y/funny role, but it probably came off as incongruent. The situation was made worse by you continuing to try..not there is anything wrong with that, but you not only were unable to establish rapport, you seemed to regress any initial attraction you had.

Use the PUA stuff as a guideline, nothing more. One thing that mystery/ strauss said explicitly is that you have to develop your own style using some of their stuff as a framework. You use used their lines in random times.

Someone on the bodybuilding forums posted a thread on how to get chicks back in 2003. In one of his sections, he expounds on conversation and discussed that its what you say and how you say it. You can't jump around random subjects (women lie, to cubes) and expect a women to follow. Saucehead used a method I still use and its called nouning - you start off the conversation and springboard into the next subject using any noun for example if she says something like

" Thats cool, me and my friends usually travel to Panama on vacations"

This presents 3 avenues of conversation ...friends, vacations and Panama. Talk about those. This requires some degree of intelligence, but will pay dividends. It took me a while to master it.

Props for a cold attempt. Work on having a real honest conversation, being somewhat funny, and I am sure you'll have success in the future.

everyone's being hard on you but I think you almost did a good job

parts of the conversation seemed a little disjointed so you need to work on having your conversations fit together and flow better than they do

you also may want to learn more PUA lines so you can have a better chance of finding one that flows with the current conversation or atleast change the direction of the convo to something where the line is appropriate

she seemed to have interest up until the very end where she dropped you like a sack of rocks, maybe she's germphobic or something? but the handshake does seem like a bad move

and why did you say goodbye before asking for a number or a facebook or setting up a date or something?

EDIT: re-reading that it seems like you botched the convo worse than I thought, she never seemed all that interested, just friendly and polite

I'd imagine that convo would've been much shorter if she didn't have to talk to you

Not an epic fail. You approached and you learned something. Failing would have been not approaching at all. You learned that need to tighten up your game and that you need to get away from routines and work on becoming your own game. The lines and routines are great but they are limited, they only serve as an entry point. Developing natural game is the way to go. It's not enough to mimic. One needs to understand the concepts and create a game based on your identity