I never realized women care so much about looks till now

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when I was growing up I always had it easy. Played soccer well and had dates with the prettiest girls in high school. Then I got to college and started to talk to girls more and more. When I sat around with them at group lunches and group dinners they would keep talking about guys and what they liked in a guy's looks and what they hated.

I always had good looks (facially I am a 9/10), girls smile at me whenever I go out, and I had so much good treatment from girls that I never recognized how easy I had it. Then sitting down with girls from college and seeing them say so much **** about guys I was friends blew my mind.

I have one friend who is sorta chubby but he is the nicest guy I know. One time I had to get up and leave a chick fila because the girls I was sitting with were talking so much **** about him.

Now I know why Manosphere bloggers get so pissed at women.....
 

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Looks, money, status. Basically your value. All that grey area sh*t like charm, personality, swagger, confidence, etc. is extra, but nothing women go on and on about.

Ever heard a woman say I like him, he's ugly but he has a nice personality? Likely never.
 

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nismo-4 said:
Looks, money, status. Basically your value. All that grey area sh*t like charm, personality, swagger, confidence, etc. is extra, but nothing women go on and on about.

Ever heard a woman say I like him, he's ugly but he has a nice personality? Likely never.
at my age we are too young to have the money

still figuring out the status
 

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Absolutely this is what girls do. A guy can be nice, a-hole, or anything in between, but if the guy is not good looking enough, the females talk bad about him and seek to isolate him socially and lower his social standing. Females think only a few good looking enough guys are worthy of social standing and social value and for sex. Of course these females themselves are mostly average and below, but being female they are all entited to date up in looks.

Meanwhile, guys are chasing their tales trying to figure what personality/game they need develop to be accepted by women and get sex. Never realizing or accepting that it's an excercise in futility because they are being ostracised based on their looks and appearance.

To females a man is either a "hot" guy that is deserving of sex and respect, or he's subhuman and to be disrespected, ignored and neglected.

at my age we are too young to have the money

still figuring out the status
Good looks/appearance gives the status.
 

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So I have just been sheltered my whole life because of my looks. Not a week has gone by when I haven't been called good looking. Put my photo up on dating sites and constantly get messages.
 

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Rolled Stones said:
when I was growing up I always had it easy. Played soccer well and had dates with the prettiest girls in high school. Then I got to college and started to talk to girls more and more. When I sat around with them at group lunches and group dinners they would keep talking about guys and what they liked in a guy's looks and what they hated.

I always had good looks (facially I am a 9/10), girls smile at me whenever I go out, and I had so much good treatment from girls that I never recognized how easy I had it. Then sitting down with girls from college and seeing them say so much **** about guys I was friends blew my mind.

I have one friend who is sorta chubby but he is the nicest guy I know. One time I had to get up and leave a chick fila because the girls I was sitting with were talking so much **** about him.

Now I know why Manosphere bloggers get so pissed at women.....
It's even simpler than that, men get pissed at women because men have honor and women do not.
 

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What else would they care about? It doesn't matter if your fat friend is a nice guy. He is still fat. You should easily know this. They will only look at you if they like what they see. What other reason could you possibly come up with for them to show an interest in you? You obviously don't have the money or status. That leaves you with your looks.

A) They like you.

B) They think you are disgusting like your fat friend.
 

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how am I exactly a troll?

I am willing to prove everything I say and I have not even heard of puahate.
 

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You are considered a PUAhate because the PUA community believes a guy of any state of looks can get any woman he desires.

In reality, there is a looks threshold each and every woman holds and varies between them. It is just like what us men have. Obviously we think certain attractive woman are better then other attractive woman, but in the end both attractive.

This threshold I believe is where they are ok with the look of the guy and this is when they start taking other factors in. If a woman finds two guys, one is a 7 and one is an 8 in the looks department, she dosent just shack up with mr. 8. This is where more factors are brought in. She then decides based on these other factors.

Us guys are the same. I know for a fact you just wont take in a lame duck 9, over an amazing personality that is a 7.5 in looks. We use this threshold too.

The thing is each and every girls threshold is different. They find different things attractive. Some 10's may want the muscle bound guy, while others dig the nerdy intellectual types. Its all of matter of falling in the acceptable looks zone and shining in other facets to pull yourself above and beyond.
 

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Some people here are so stupid, their message shows nothing but their own stupidity. Ignorant bastards. They need therapies themselves before they should start to give advices to somebody.

Have you ever realized that the moment you start fall deeper into the other, he or she starts looking much better. And the attraction or feelings rise much more higher.

The look that you are talking about is nothing compared to the look when you are in love. Have to noticed? The look that you get from half unknown or unknown people are very momentary. You see her as hot at the next moment.. You have already forgotten about her completely.

The reason they talked bad about your friends look is because they are simply out of their need of drama. They find a good looking and they make a whole drama out of it. And also, when try find a below average looking, also they need to make a big drama out of it, otherwise they cannot get attention.

But this bad looking guy, once he starts to show his status, condfidebt, overall once this guy knows how to dominate the woman, in other words make them fall in love with him, the looks suddenly starts to look very good.

Have you ever noticed how some girl suddenly turned from ugly cvunts to hot biches? For example, you spent three years in high school, you must have noticed this. Some woman in the beginning looked really ugly, but once you started to know her better, she started to somehow look much more hotter. And it is funny, because now the girls you considered hot in the beginning, you start to find weak qualities in them. For example, there is a model, a very underweight and then there is this normal girl; does not have a small body of a models. Depending on the projections, if you have been conditioned to love models and find them as hot, then you will in this case too. Thee are many people who are very repressed towards models. For these people, model body looks like a skeleton. No ass, no tities, simply put, a tall skeleton.

Now, let say you are very conditioned towards models, the whole west is; the east finds models as disgusting, skeletons who does not have money to feed themselves. And then you meet a normal weight with good ass. You then start to know and after a moment you find yourself liking to spent your time around her, you start to fall for her... Suddenly... This girl starts to look like the most beautiful girl in the whole world and her ass has suddenly turned into a hot tight ass. The same girl is there that you was against before you met her, now you have changed your conditions from the model towards this woman, and the funny thing is that the model that you found hot is no longer hot. Rather the bad sides starts to come up. Once you have fallen in love with the normal eright and maybe a few pounds over weight for the tighter asset. Once you fall in love with this girl, she suddenly becomes the most beautiful girl I. Your life and now the model simply looks like a skinny skeleton with no ass, no tities, just cold skeleton. And her face.. Once looked very attractive but now it just looks like a dead face with bones..

Just imagine yourself at this position and it is very easy to do so. If you are I. Love with a woman with a average face shape, no fatties, no bones, she starts to look beautiful and outshine the skeleton model. Now the model has suddenly turned into a very repressive skeleton. But only if you fall in love with the average shaped girl.

In your friends case, he might not look very good for your eyes or the girls' eyes, but that is simply because of their projection and their condition towards a certain face shape. If you are fromeest, then it is most likely the skeleton face that you are conditioned towards. If this skeleton would go to the east, they would not welcome her, she would look like a dead corpse trying to walk. And have you seen how the models walk? If this model goes to walk like that I the east, they would simply think that she is an complete idiot. For god sake, you looks like a dead skeleton already, please try to even walk like a normal human being, and smile! Models does not smile, so they are not very attractive to the east, because in eastern countries, they smile all the time. Whenever passing a neighbour, they smiles. Or whenever the kids comes from school they always treats their parents and smiles to them. So this cold skeleton looking dead corpse who tries to walk like an alien is not very attractive to the eastern society.

In your friends case, he could have shaped his hair a little bit into a western type of hair, and he suddenly starts to look great again. Then a little bit of tanning.. Because the west loves tanning. And if he ws overweight, then a few pounds down and he looks way hitter than before.

My main point simply put was only that if he had other parts that attracted women like confident, social proof and not important women's social proof, or perceived value, his looks would simply rised high in the sky! Have you ever seen some douchebag, jerk looking guy, but still he has some girl saying that he looks so good? Even if he looks like a complete jerk, but if he had other parts that's tracts woman, then from they he gets perceived value and suddenly people will start to think so too. So everything can help. But I say can only, because it can make it worst too.

For example, if people viewed you as good looking. Then naturally everyone would just check every part of your face, what exactly is so good looking? And if there are people who are conditioned towards a complete different face type, they will not find you attractive. And the other thing is tat they will start to compare you. They will compare you to someone even more hotter than you. And they can only be for or against. If they are for the other, the they will be against you. I just found something funny recently. I have been watching the fans of socccers reaction I their favorite players. Now they start to compare two best players in the world, messi and Ronaldo. And how you seen it? You must have, you were a good football player.

Now Ronaldo and messi, we all know they are the two best players in the world. But the fans of Ronaldo says that messi is **** and the fans of Messi says that Ronaldo is the worst player in this whole century. Both fans now finds every single cons of the player and they make it the worst possible. They say that Ronaldo fights, gets angry, dives and is arrogant - that's why he is the worst player in the world. Now there were in the news.. just lately that the players killed the referee for some bad decisions.. That is a real stupidity. Those should be banned from football, and given the title of the worst player of the whole history. And they say that messi would not be able to do anything without Xavi and iniesta. And there are good rationalazitation: messi cannot do Anything with Argentina - because there is no Xavi and Iniesta. Basically they give him the puppy title. They say that messi is Xavia and iniestas puppy who does whatever Xavi and iniesta decides him to do.

You say that girls talk good about your looks. Are you sure about it? They might like your charm, personality and from that they build a perceived value. They like you so, they must like your face shape too. It is just a face shape!

You also have many haters. You have not simply emblem aware of it. Those who hates you tries to avoid you, they never say anything to you. Only those who loves you tells you bad you look. Because out of compassion they wanna tell you the truth so you can do something about it. Now it is very tricky. They can also tell you that you look good just to avoid hurting you. Now there might have been authentic compliments, don't get too over confident about it, overconfident is never enough, it makes you not see your flaws that you could easily fix. Thee might have been authentic compliments and then you simply decided that that is the case. Especially those who have suffered the inferior side of the society's model shape, will take compliments very seriously. They feel accepted and they will rationalize that it is the way! It must be the way! Now if we take a look about people who have always from their very childhood gotten compliments. They never get overconfident over those compliments. They never suffered any inferior complex so they aren't even aware of the compliments. But if you compliment a bad looking person, he will be so happy, he might just cry!

You must also remember that there are compliments just to use you or to shut you up. Many times it happens that women compliments you just to get something from you. Maybe your fame or maybe your money.. Your other friends that really looks good.. You never tell your mother the truth, eventough she is really ugly, or a close friend, uncle, aunt.. You never tell them the truth. And if you tell your mother the truth, she won't feed you milk anymore!

So be very careful with what people say, especially women. You cannot really know wherever they really did not like your friends look or they simply was jealous of him having something far greater than their own boyfriends!

And who are you to decide that you face is 9/10? Unless you have got the whole worlds report, person by person, can you know the accurate measurements. And I tell you something, if the west likes your face shape, the east hates it. Western style and eastern style are completely different and they never fit each other. They never like each others style.
 

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I have had so many messages sent to me on dating sites for the fun of it, messages that reek of desperation from women. Had to do with my looks.

You guys can pass your verdict on my looks if you like, i'll post a pic.
 

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Rolled Stones said:
I have had so many messages sent to me on dating sites for the fun of it, messages that reek of desperation from women. Had to do with my looks.

You guys can pass your verdict on my looks if you like, i'll post a pic.
If this guy has no problems with getting attention from chicks online, getting good treatment out there and smiles, then that probably confirms his looks.

I wish this guy can trade places with me for a week, or some other people on here who are not as gentically gifted, but he may get a nervous breakdown from reality shock.
 

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Hey man, you could send me a pic too. Im good at judging guys hahah no homo.

But yeah, the OP is spot on. Guys need to realize that maxing out looks is first priority. For almost all guys, unless you have another hook such as high social status or extreme charisma (which is, in my opinion, a gift that can be developed but cant be learned 99.9% of the time) looks are what is going to max out your potential. You can "game" girls that are within your range/type, so it's all about increaisng that range that you can game.

So many dudes try to spit game from day 1. That is pure bull****. First thing you need to do is get fit, dress decently, and be decently groomed. Then you can max out your potential for game. But if you don't have those to begin with, you are already starting from a point of being incongruent. If you are a 5 and go in talking smooth game, girls aren't dumb, they know something is wrong with that situation and that it's unrealistic that you portray yourself as highly desired.
 

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Send me a pic too, I want to know what is considered good looking and is a 9/10 according to you.

Perhaps then there's hope for me, haha
 

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SayWhat said:
Send me a pic too, I want to know what is considered good looking and is a 9/10 according to you.

Perhaps then there's hope for me, haha
just messaged someone, have to wait before I send you my pic
 

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Rolled Stones said:
at my age we are too young to have the money

still figuring out the status
How old are you? There's no such thing as too young to have money. Certainly you know people who are wealthier or poorer than you.

Money always matters, even in college where most people are broke, there's always some guys who are more fortunate, have a big inheritance, etc.
 

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A 9 to some people is a 3 or a 4 to others. Sure there are general guidelines that most people would qualify as an "attractive" trait such as being thing and fit, but everybody has their own preferences.

I'm ~6'1", 200 pounds, pretty muscular and in shape, no 6 pack though (love cookies and ice cream too much lol), and I've had girls I've been with want me to be less muscular and others who have wanted me to be more muscular. I banged them regardless because I have an attractive face (defined jawline, etc), but there's girls who hate big muscular guys who would most certainly not find me attractive.

Girls are picky as ****, the best thing you can do is fit the role that your body gives you. If you're tall or naturally big, go the big muscular route. If you're short, try staying lean. I always thought short dudes with muscles looked goofy, just like really tall lanky guys.
 

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There should be a thread of pictures of you guys put up I doubt anyone here is a 9 alone in the face let alone a 7. Most women don't have good taste.
 
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