Judge nismo's post #2,500! A major, MAJOR review!

All rise! Court is now in session. The honorable Judge nismo presiding. You may be seated.

This is post # 2,500 for me. Every year since 2008, I’ve made a list of tips and whatnots.

2008: 21 Points of advice http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=137507
2009: 22 Points of advice: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=156347
2010: 99 things that girls find attractive: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=170847

I then took the red pill and became the forum’s judge, telling it like it is.

2011: 58 facebook statuses and an online decoder ring http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=181387
2012: A very popular stickied thread. Your princess is in another castle! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=191182
And its sequel http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=192273

It totals 69 common ass cases and my first deck of cards! God Damn!
This may be a late post for me since it’s springtime as opposed to January. Yes, I’ve been out of the courtroom for quite a while making this. This time, I’ve gotta discuss some facts and myths and other issues that go on around here and some that have been said by others. And of course, some extras. Without further ado, here we go.

First off, this is my fifth deck of cards with 2 jokers! Jumbo sized! Here’s the deal.

1. Alpha f()ks, beta buck$$$

Women always have more than one man in their lives. Because women need attention, and there are so many love and sex starved men willing to give it to her, she’s never short of orbiters and men hoping for the chance at getting with her. Only the man or men she deems alpha (lovers) are getting the most sex from her, and all the other men are under Briffault’s Law. Alpha gets it for free. Beta gotta pay FOR THAT CHANCE TO GET IT. If it ever happens is a different story, usually the woman puts out at a calculated time, as the man has little to no say in the relationship.

2. Men hold the relationship card, women hold the sex card: Mike32ct

The only thing is that it’s not equal. A woman can just spread her legs and a man will enter. In order for the man’s relationship card to work, the woman in question has to choose him first. And women do the choosing, not men. Even worse, the male penis has no social value. Men chase and women choose, so guess what happened? The price of a woman has gone way up, and the fact that most men have few options doesn’t help. It doesn’t matter how old the woman is either.

3. Brad Pitt/ other famous movie star comparison

These are used usually to gauge flaking and interest, etc. with Brad Pitt being the most common. None of us on this board are Brad Pitt, etc. But I’ve noticed that it’s used to display that your girl isn’t interested and that you need to drop her and spin more plates because she’s in another castle.

4. Men are “dating down” and women are “dating up”: Stagger Lee

I see this sh*t with my own eyes out here. I’m seeing fit men with fatties and rich men with ugly b**ches! Proof that masculinity keeps getting devalued by the media, and women find ways to keep hypergamy going. Cougars, milfs, BBW’s anyone? Sites like facebook, OKC, and POF both inflate women’s value and deflates men’s value. And in a non monogamous society/system the best looking/appearing guys take multiple women allowing women to be super-hypergamous. This results in slightly above average to average appearing guys can't even girl a girl who is looks matched and have to date down, and average to below average guys can't even get an HB1. Regardless, men value love, and women love value.

5. Your bulletproof game and charming personality won’t make you look any better when your shirt comes off: Rollo T.

It doesn’t make you look any better with it on either. Nor does it improve your financial attractiveness. All the confidence in the world won’t make you look like a male model or turn your Mazda into a Maserati. Your physical and financial status are the biggest factors that women look at. Your game, personality, swagger, vibe, humor, and charm are all fine and dandy, but neither your physical nor your financial status will go up in the woman's eyes.

6. Women who are interested in you won’t confuse you: Rollo T.

Initially speaking, very true. If a woman is interested in you, she’ll cancel plans and climb over a mountain to see you. If she pulls this crap about she’s sick, something came up, her phone died, she had to leave town, your princess is in another castle. Unless you get a counteroffer. A woman who wants you will find a way to get you.

7. Entitlement issues have gone through the f**kin’ roof!

This should explain it. Thanks bradd80!
A guy can be tall, good looking, dressed up in a suit and with a great professional career and confidently go up to a ratty looking chic who's an unemployed artsie wearing frumpy clothing like tattered track pants and still she'll look at the guy like he's a piece of sh*t and she's too good for him. The level of entitlement women have reached is simply unbelievable. You can look like brad pitt, have a master's degree in engineering science, pull in six figures, and volunteer at the local shelter for disadvantaged youth and still all this won't be good enough for a girl who will dismiss such a great catch by saying something like "oh he doesnt have dark hair." The attitude of most women these days is simply shocking. There's no other way for me to say it. We live in an age where, more than ever, women believe they are princesses and too good for almost any guy and that we should be lucky just to have their golden vagina in our presence.
Chicks act f**ked up like this only as a result of AFC's giving them never ending attention. Keep in mind that women have been conditioned over many years to understand that giving a guy that they are not interested in any sign of encouragement at all will make the guy harass her even more.

8. Women say that nobody ever asked me out

Do you really believe this bullsh*t? It’s a way to bring out the white knights. What women really are doing is attention wh0ring and what that means is that they’ve been asked out, just by a bunch of betas (nobody)!

9. Judge by actions, not words

Exactly what it says on the tin. What women say and do are lightyears apart.

10. Settling for less

Guys settle for less because they notice that many women are shallow, have entitlement issues, etc. I remember when guys would go for HB10's always. Then they went to HB 6-7's. Then down to the plain janes. Then the cougars & milfs! Then the fatties (more cushion for the pushin'). Then the uglies. Then the fuglies! Thanks to the media addressing this and the enormous amounts of men going after them, look at all the power they have now. How low do men have to go? The fact is, men want to be loved and desired and wanted, but since desire is not negotiable like a new car is, they jump on the first piece of tail they luck up on because they know it'll be a while before they get another woman. Men feel loved as long as they have at least ONE woman. Yes, men chase and women choose. A woman can have a man whenever the f**k she wants. Most men can't get a woman when they want. The male penis has no social value, but the male bank account does. Millionaires know this, so even they settle, because they spend so much time working trying to come up. A working man trying to come up is not that desirable unless he's handsome.

And Burroughs adds:
the hottest biatches date and marry dudes within their social circles...they are in that high demand....the moment she hits the market another dude on the sidelines is in...you don't 'open' these girls at starbucks..they already have 40 dudes waiting lol.

remember on average there is a 3 point hb difference between wife and husband....an hb 5 chick can go into a bar and get desperate hb 7-8 dudes wanting to date her...its just the way supply and demand seems to be...because the few hb 9-10 perfect face and body chicks have so many suitors..there is an overflow into the lower ranks...you can be a 9 dude with money but unless you are famous you may have to settle for a 6 or 7 chick, and that chick will have entitlement issues on top of her lower ranking so not only is she below you in looks SHE THINKS SHE IS BETTER THAN YOU!.....which if you are a 9 dude sucksz azz.

Most men are so sex crazed, lonely, mommy starved, weak minded faggots they will take any pig and try to dress her up as a legitimate partner even though deep down the men are dying inside.

11. Ambition/ working men trying to come up

To most women, it’s not sexy. Ambition is code for a man who already made it and intends to stay that way. There isn’t enough ambition in the world to get a woman wet. Women don’t know what a future millionaire looks like either.

Enter Burroughs again!

take your average young nerd millionaire in the making....gets his first round of vc funding at age 22 by 30 he'll go IPO...but in the meantime...its 100 hour workweeks...if the dude isn't already dating a hottie (and he won't be) he won't ever get one unless he pays by the hour....he is simply not going to ever meet a chick up to his income level...he will meet a programmer in his circle she is going to be an uggo ....look at zuckerberg's wife.

because the moment 100 hour future millionaire nerd hits the bar unless he is famous, he will be the dork....the swimmers build, and roid monsters will likely scoop up the bishes....the young millionaire geek will be forced to beat off as usual or get an escort.....

this is the way it is folks...bishes don't care...the hottest chicks are looking to hop d!ck, guzzle semen, then cash out at age 35 to the richest man they can find.

and really why should rich nerd put up with it? Once he hits 30 he'll have money and can rent jenna haze by the hour (for the rich everything can be bought...but nerd might get lonely...in comes 35 year old former hottie (bill gates' wife) she's already fvcked 50-60 dudes, been gangbanged by the 49ers and the raiders but now sees that nerd millionaire will be the perfect wallet for the rest of her life....trips to europe and nordstroms forever....

for average dudes and working men trying to come up...200,000 dollars and less....only the fatties remain....and they've been gangbanged too!
If ambition were sexy, MIT students would have dripping wet groupies. Not the case in real life.

12. For every pretty woman, there is 1 guy who is tired of putting up with her sh*t.

Maybe this is true, but there are 100+ guys who can’t wait to START putting up with her sh*t. And these women know this. All they have to do is make it known they’re available and the floodgates will open!

13. 10’s don’t get asked out often: Various “PUA Gurus”

Bullsh*t times 10! PUA gurus parrot this so that desperate guys get a false sense of hope and start chasing these women. Yep, they gave chumps a free pass to bother women out of their league. 10’s get asked out a whole lot. They’ve made stronger shields (raised their standards highly) because of it, and the constant attention they get from AFC’s doesn’t help.

14. White Knights (Captain Save-A-Ho)

They came out the god damn woodworks when Chris Brown beat up Rihanna! But did she get wet for any of them? F**k no! Let’s think back to Super Mario Bros. Mario was the white knight trying to save the “damsel in distress”. From worlds 1-7, Mario ended up getting a Toad instead of the princess. Toad was flipping Mario off because he already hit that. Oh trust me, if the princess is so fair staying with 7 men, she’s getting banged by one of them! She’s probably getting it from Luigi and Bowser too! Hey she doesn’t even kiss Mario. After all that running around through danger! It’s the same in Super Mario 3, World, RPG, and 64! How the f**k does she manage to be positioned get kidnapped by the same dude over and over? Easy, 5 minutes of alpha trumps 55 years of beta! By now, Peach gets wet for Koopa, and Mario has been a pu$$y whipped plumber for years on end! In a nutshell, Read Briffault’s Law and stop saving girls. It only raises the price of women! Oh yeah, White Knighting is a long and drawn out indirect way of asking for sex that you probably ain't gonna get.

15. The friends first sh*t

Sorry, but you do yourself no favors by desexualizing yourself. Be lovers first. Sex first, relationship second. If you do relationship (friends) first, she’ll have the benefits of having a boyfriend (orbiter) without having sex with you, let alone any desire to. Never be friends first. Sh*t won’t turn into lovers. Don’t give into this shaming tactic.

16. Women prefer exciting lies over boring truths: DonGorgon

They honestly do. Honesty applies only in relationships, and even then you still gotta lie. Telling little white lies keeps the girls on their toes. Things gotta be exciting somehow, but don’t get caught! If you don’t excite her, she’ll get someone who will.

17. Women are scared of rejection

Yeah f**kin’ right! For the most part anyway. Women only get hurt fear rejection when it’s a handsome millionaire who's to do the rejecting. Or a guy she feels is out of her league. If a fat broke slob rejects a hottie, do you think she’ll be fazed? Nope, she wanted to forget about him anyway. He’s in the bottom 90% of men who are so easily replaceable anyway. Considering that women have a phonebook of men who will willingly hook up with them within seconds, why would rejection hurt them? They may for a while, but a white knight will come running out of the woodworks to save the princess. Well, at least be an emotional tampon.

18. Leagues don’t exist

False as hell. Leagues exist. Why does the alpha and beta male argument exist? It goes into the “10% of guys do 90% of the f**king.” If a male is worried that his woman will leave or isn’t spinning plates or is attached to her, he’s in the bottom 90% of men that are easily replaced. There’s upper class, middle class, lower class. Proof that leagues exist! Oh yeah, HB9-10’s are celebs all the damn time, some lower than that are this too. As a man being a celeb, that just brings him up to their level. That’s no bad thing, but easier said than done!

19. It gets better as you get older.

Only as long as your value has been going up. Women love value, so that will really help. You have an edge as long as your body and bank look good.

20. Personality, humor, charm, and confidence are king! (Gray area of attraction)

These are inner qualities at most. If a woman doesn’t find you attractive, she’ll label everything you say and do as unattractive. Or she’ll either shoot you down before you start, preventing your personality and confidence from shining. Or find a way to use you. These and all other gray area qualities (savoir faire, wit, swagger, etc.) only come into play when (and if) the woman deems you attractive enough for her.

21. Faithfulness being valued

Faithfulness, loyalty, honor, integrity= Dead at a young age with little to no female companionship.
Most men are as faithful as their options because:

1. Men don't hold the sex card. Women do.
2. Men chase and women choose.
3. Women do most of the dumping.
4. Men are sometimes scared to let one girl go because they fear or know they won't get another one anytime soon. Even if she is ass ugly.
5. Women control the dating game and love markets.
6. Women always have more options than men.
7. Men get whoever they CAN. Sometimes they luck up and get who they want.
8. Too many f**kin' guys are willing to play the women's games and fail.
9. Men hold the relationship card, but that's laughable at best, and bullsh*t at worst.
10. All women have boyfriends and husbands, but most men don't have girlfriends and wives.

Men these days try to stay faithful because they have few or no prospects. I've seen a lot of men rush into a relationship or marriage to have SOME SORT of female love. Even worse, I've watched men come out of the closet because they can't be loved by women.
Women value how a guy looks physically and financially. Faithfulness, personality, swagger, vibe, and all that other sh*t comes later, if later even occurs.
Faithfulness may have some value, but how many guys have been dumped for being faithful? Many. Because faithfulness is beta (lack of options), and won’t do much to attract women. Alphas don’t fall in love, they choose to do so. Ever heard that Taylor Swift song “Trouble?” Or that Diana Ross song “Upside Down?” Proof that women love men who could cheat, but hate when men do it to them. Yet they run back to said man! 5 minutes of alpha folks! Don’t you think Taylor Swift is running back to any alpha she wrote a song about? Of course her narrow ass is! Hey, even Diana Ross’s old ass is still pining over the cad that got away decades ago!

22. Do PUA tactics work?

In reality, it depends on how attractive the woman finds you. If she finds you attractive, she’ll allow it to work and be charmed. But if not, it’ll do nothing more than delay a rejection. It’ll then be humorous at best, annoying at worst. Game can only do so much for you, most importantly, KEEPING A GIRL. But you have to actually get her first. Magic PUA lines and tactics have been so overused that if the man can’t raise the woman’s value, he’s dismissed or filibustered.

23. Women want James Bond, they just don’t want you to BECOME James Bond: f283000

A woman ain’t gonna tell you how to become Bond. You gotta just do it! Easier said than done, but doable indeed! Yep, women are trying their best to keep the betas at bay.

24. Unauthorized use of pedestals

Because the betas keep doing this dumb sh*t! I’ve reviewed many of these cases here. They all scream AFC. If a woman finds out she’s your only one, she stops being your only one. Because your value is low and mother**ker! And most guys do this sh*t thinking she’ll appreciate it, but she’s actually getting more and more repulsed. Desperation, anyone? 10’s take nasty sh*ts just like men do. So stop putting women on god damn pedestals!

25. Men saying looks don’t matter

These are either delusional men on the blue pill, good looking men who don’t want you to take the red pill, or those trying to sell a PUA book. Looks can really help. Considering that women are far more shallow than men could ever be.

26. Waiting for sex

You knew I was gonna bring this out of my courtroom files! Thanks Rollo! Plead your case in my courtroom, not with a girl! http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/

27. Sh*t tests

Really, there’s no such thing. If a woman is being difficult with you and giving you tests heavily, she’s really not interested. If she is interested, she will give few to none. Plain and simple. If you think there is a sh*t test, be unreactive ok mother**ker?

28. Just be yourself

I’m gonna address this bullsh*t by saying that women will tell you this to exercise hypergamy on you and keep you (unattractive beta male) at bay while she goes after a top 10%er. Women don’t want you to become James Bond. Point proven. And don’t take advice from women either.

29. What inflated women’s egos and the price of pu$$y

Women bond together to raise it, and the overpopulation of desperate males raises it too! The deal is that most cities have an over population of males and beta males at that. these beta males are seldom chosen by women for sex or relationships so many live a quiet desperate life and end up with a 400+ lbs female , end up paying for company , being lonely and some go to the extreme and decide that they are gay and coming out the closet!!!! These beta males have caused the value of even the ugliest and fattest women to go up to the point where women are now strutting around with attitudes of royalty. Relationships are harder than ever to maintain cause women have so many options that they feel and act like they are doing you a favor by being with you...as these men settle for lower and lower women the overall self esteem and confidence of men is going down causing less motivation a side effect of all this is that many women are now living the life of an 18 year old well into their 50s and this mean that older women are not good marriage and relationship options as before. These damaged women now have teenage daughters who they have taught to use men! They see mom with several boyfriends and f**k buddies so it’s ok for them. The other thing is that lots of men would kill to have a girlfriend and female companionship! Are women killing to have boyfriends? Rarely. If ever. Hell, Jodi Arias killed her boyfriend! But I wonder who chose who?

30. She’s interested, she’s just testing you by playing hard to get.

More like teasing you. If she’s making it hard for you in the initial stages, are you really gonna believe this bullsh*t? I would hope not because your princess is in another castle while stringing you along.

31. I have a boyfriend means keep trying

Dumbass, if the woman likes you, she will conveniently “forget” she’s got a boyfriend. If she brings one up, she’s got a seat reserved for you on that midnight train to Friendzone-Platonic. I have a boyfriend/I’m taken/ I’m married/ I’m seeing someone is code for not interested. The same with “I’m shy!” I'm expecting the NAWALT chorus to chime in!

32. Wingmen

Don’t wing with a better looking man, as he’ll do better than you. Don’t wing with a worse looking man, as he’ll bring down your value. Be sure to set ground rules so there's no trouble!

33. Women don't know what they want in a man.

I can't believe how many men actually believe this sh*t! Women want an alpha male. With good looks. With lots of money. Extra points for fame. Women know how to size you up by looking at you. Sure, they can't instantly pick out a millionaire among 10 men. The guy with the Honda Accord and the Eddie Bauer gear might be the millionaire alpha male just like the guy with the Armani Suit and the Maserati. Or he could be just faking it. Who knows. You should always be physically and financially fit.

34. Online dating is only for women who can't find a man.

Reality check, women can easily find a man, they usually just want that attention fix online because they know they'll get bombarded with lots of messages. If you see a pretty woman online, how often do you think guys hit on her? How many pick up lines has she heard in the last week? Quite a lot huh? She's always got options motherf**ker! She may have a profile up just for attention and a long line of potential suitors! Add Facebook into this mix and what the f**k do you think is gonna happen?

35. The reality of online dating

Women get too many messages. Men get too few replies. I’ve heard of golden vagina, but not golden dik. A man’s online dating profile is only as strong as its WORST picture.

36. Women want to be treated like princesses

Believe this sh*t if you want to hear her moaning in another castle with the alpha who treats her like sh*t! Oh yeah, if you want to be in the friendzone, obey this.

37. Looks (body), assets (money), game- Have two: Rollo T.

Completely agree with this, and it’s exactly what it says on the tin.

38. A woman will make 10% of your happiness or 90% of your misery

Exactly what it says on the tin. If men learned to stop shopping at Pedestals-R-Us, and put money first, women second, I'm sorry, themselves first, the price of women’s love and vagina would drop!

39. Know when to just walk away

If more men would just do this simple ass sh*t instead of staying around like a hungry ass lapdog! But the caveat is that a man can walk away from a girl and she’ll have 100 guys willing to bend over backwards for the chance at her. Don’t let a woman control you with the golden vagina. My rule is that if she teases me or makes me wait, she is dropped, done, deleted. Not that she’d probably care, but I don’t tolerate female bullsh*t.

40. Good things come to those who wait.

Guys, change this wait sh*t to ACT! Do men withhold sex from women? Rarely.

41. Breakups

A woman who tells you this has ACTUALLY broken up with you weeks or months ago. Got with another man and he’s better than you. The guy usually never saw it coming. He’s just knowing that his breakup is commencing! Branch swinging plus hypergamy, anyone? Men are startled at how cold a woman becomes after she decides that you are no longer "the one". An interesting note...many men are also startled at what their exes do with the other man after the break up ...while married, the sex was infrequent, indifferent, no BJs, etc...then the soon to be ex-hubby/ boyfriend stumbles on her diary or hacks her computer and with her new squeeze, she's doing anal, swallowing goo, whips, chains, vibrators...the works...he's like...WTF? The men never see it coming because they have pedestalized their wife/GF when they should be hammering her from all angles and being alpha! The princess is in his castle! Coincidence? I think not.

42. Divorces

I’ll turn to cordoncordon for this one.
Women in general have a much easier time moving on from any relationship than men do. I have noticed this since I was a child. Almost every male friend and family member I have ever had has gone through some pretty serious break up depression after a relationship ends, whereas the women just seem to move right on with no problem. I think I have only seen one time where a woman was truly upset by a break up. Now, maybe they can hide it a little better too, who knows, but I think they just are able to cope better. Considering what kind of attention they get on Facebook and other sites, they really can.

And I believe this happens for 3 reasons.

1. Men tend to hang onto a relationship no matter how bad it gets. Very rarely will you see them doing the breaking up. They would rather stay with someone and be miserable than be single again. They will also be more willing to try and break up, get back together again, and on and on and on. They don't want to let go. Whereas a woman will also hang in there to a degree, but they are much more assertive in deciding that once they make that decision to break up, that's it. They are done. They are more cold, emotionless, and calculating when it comes to ending things once and for all. Does Taylor Swift’s song “We are never ever getting back together again” hold any meaning for you?

2. Evolution. Through history the male of the animal species has been the dominant animal. They herd the females together and in many species only one male will breed to multiple females. And they are VERY protective of their group of females. If another male tried to mate with one, all hell breaks loose. So due to that, it is my belief that losing a female is a severe blow to the male ego due to this evolutionary history. They do not know how to cope and in a sense they are losing part of their identity when a females leaves.

3. Finally, and most obvious, let’s face it, it is 100 times easier for the average female to have a 100 guys knocking on her door right after a break up who are willing to take her out, be in a relationship, and to sex her. All she pretty much has to do is make it know she is available and the males will be all over her. And the female knows this, so it gives her a sense of calm when it comes to breakups, knowing she will have no end to the male suitors wanting to get with her. For the male on the other hand? It is not nearly that easy. There is a ton of competition out there and females are not nearly so quick to just hop in bed with you like a male would.

Here’s something from Deep Dish that may or may not be obvious to you.

1. Women almost always initiate divorce,
2. In relationships, women go through the stages of grievance before dumping you, turn cold as ice as if they never knew you,
3. Briffault's Law is what happens when hypergamy sinks underwater,
4. Women have options and options = prosperity = instability,

They also throw out mixed emotions when they got another man. When they do, the guy’s divorce will eventually come. It’s a ticking time bomb.

43. Women’s emotions

I’ll turn to bradd80 here.
All women are like BPD terminators, and they all suffer from some form of inability to regulate their emotions. In fact each one is like a cleverly designed emotional infiltration unit. Part human, part machine. On the outside, they appear human: living human tissue, flesh, skin, hair... blood. Sweat, even headaches and bad breath. Everything.

But underneath this seemingly human exterior, women are fully armored hyperalloy combat machines. Very tough. They don’t feel your pain; they can't be reasoned with, they can't be bargained with... they don't feel pity or remorse or fear... they can change their emotions in literally the flick of an eye, and once a woman makes the decision to shut off her emotions, she does it.

And because women are constantly bombarded with AFC attention, they usually think that the grass is greener on the other side, though usually they find out that it's not. This is why you have women who are depressed even two years after a relationship ends - they find out reality has not quite met their own entitled perceptions that they will be treated like a princess by throngs of adoring males.

Generally, women fall out of love a lot faster and more suddenly then men do, for all of the above reasons. And when women do this, they often make the decision to leave and mentally prepare themselves for the breakup long before they actually initiate and implement the breakup.

44. Men in group sarging

All fine and dandy, but remember, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. One member’s low value or high betatude can bring the whole team down.

45. An AFC and his money are soon parted

Goes back to the Alpha fux, beta bux rule. An AFC will blow money on a dinners and gifts in the hopes of getting laid. Rarely works. Don’t reward a woman until she EARNS it goddammit! Did I get rewarded with a new Nintendo game for being bad when I was growing up? Nope. My parents unplugged the Nintendo, and if I played it, I was getting a whippin’, sometimes with the controller. The point is, make the girl EARN you.

46. IOI’s

There are some, but the only IOI’s you need to take is the one where she actually goes out with you and she actually bangs you. (Making it easy for you) And even then these aren’t 100% reliable. Sometimes, a woman will throw out a bunch of IOI’s as a way of flirting. But the woman has long decided just how far you’ll get with her. Many times they do this to string a man along.

47. Women always want the bigger better deal

No sh*t Sherlock. That’s why we men gotta always be working on ourselves, upgrading and improving our value. So it seems like we need to graduate from the academy of alpha males. But there’s always room for a man to improve. Not just for women, but for himself as well. Getting a date and a job interview are two VERY similar events. High value wins always!

48. Rejection

Women usually are the ones doing this. Men chase and women choose. The same with online. Rejection comes in many forms. From a flat out no, to a lame excuse, to LJBF, IHAB, let’s take it slow, I’m not ready for a relationship yet, I’m taken, I’m married, I don’t give out my number, I’m not interested, I could go on and on! But call it what you want, IT’S A F**KIN’ REJECTION! Anything other than a yes is a no! Stop deluding yourself into thinking that you still got a shot. No she’s not challenging you, she’s controlling you. Wrong C! No she’s not testing you, she’s teasing you. Wrong T! If only AFC’s would stop chasing the f**kin’ carrot and getting all butthurt about this sh*t, women might have more respect for men!

49. Don’t be afraid to lose a girl when you get one

If you do, you’ll be her slave and worship her. Of course, the more you’re doing this is the more you’re walking toward the friendzone and a breakup. Don’t give her the power.

50. Indifference

Being indifferent/ ignoring women only works for a man of high value with looks, money, and status. If an average man ignores a hot chick, the hot chick won't even notice, let alone care. Anytime you try and "fake" game, it usually comes across as being incongruent, and you send out mixed signals. And she’ll pick up on that! Obviously, the best way to pull this off would be to TRULY be ONLY slightly interested in ANY girl. IMPOSSIBLE to feign indifference when you're horny as f**k.

51. The interest level scale: bigneil

A woman will put a man somewhere on this scale, based on her interest level, and he can move up or down.

1) Husband (Owns you)
2) Boyfriend (Loves you)
3) Lover (Has strong feelings for you)

----------------------------------------- GREAT WALL OF "FREE" SEX ---------------------

4a) Sugar Daddy ---------or 4b) Date (Likes you)
5a) Favorite Customer ---or 5b) Prospect (Is attracted to you)
6a) John -----------------or 6b) Friend/Orbiter (Tolerates you but is not attracted to you)

----------------------------------------- CAN'T EVEN PAY HER --------------------------

7) Creep (Turned off by you)
8) Loser (Ignores you)
9) Stalker (Avoids you)

Or Use PlayHer Man’s simplified scale
1. Men to F*ck --> Alpha
2. Men to exploit --> Beta
3. Men to avoid --> Creep

In the middle section you have the pay route (A column) or the free route (B column). There is a vast difference between 4 and 6 (think of the difference between "I had a really good time" and "LJBF" - then apply that to a girl you are paying). Also, since it's never free for a man to date a woman, the difference is only about $200 per date (if she meets you outside the club), and that makes the difference between you chasing her for sex and her chasing you for sex. That's worth something, especially when it's hot girls in their prime who are 20 years younger than you. To take strippers across the border between 4 to 3 there is only one way: make her kum.

52. Keep your guard up & protect your heart

There are many cases where a guy goes out with a girl and the girl was smiling, laughing, and/or very talkative. But try to text or call her after the date? No response. So don't ever be fooled just because she appears to enjoy the date. You could be totally rejected or in the friendzone, but the girl might still just enjoy the company, food, drinks, etc. She might seem like your dream girl with a great connection, but she has no intention of ever speaking to you again. Undercover attention wh0re or her boyfriend may be away for a while. Don’t expect too much, as the woman has decided how far you’ll get with her before you’ve gone out. If she’s shy and/ or nervous, she’s not interested. Sorry. Men’s currency is attention. Women’s is sex, love, and company.

little joker: my other three decks of cards are found among these posts courtesy of bradd80, naughty ninja, and others who chipped in. lost in translation in general?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195993
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195960

or pof/ okc/ online dating profile wise?
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195680
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195836

BIG JOKER: BRIFFAULT’S LAW! THIS WAS NOT GETTING LEFT OUT!

1. THE FEMALE, NOT THE MALE, DETERMINES ALL CONDITIONS OF THE ANIMAL FAMILY. WHERE THE FEMALE CAN DERIVE NO BENEFIT FROM ASSOCIATION WITH THE MALE, NO SUCH ASSOCIATION TAKES PLACE.

THERE ARE A FEW COROLLARIES THAT I WOULD ADD:

1. PAST BENEFIT BY THE MALE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR FUTURE OR CONTINUED ASSOCIATION

2. ANY AGREEMENT WHERE THE MALE PROVIDES A CURRENT BENEFIT IN RETURN FOR A PROMISE OF A FUTURE ASSOCIATION IS NULL AND VOID AS SOON AS THE MALE PROVIDES THE BENEFIT.

3. A PROMISE OF FUTURE BENEFIT HAS LIMITED INFLUENCE ON CURRENT/ FUTURE ASSOCIATION, WITH THE INFLUENCE INVERSELY PROPORTIONATE TO THE LENGTH OF TIME UNTIL THE BENEFIT WILL BE GIVEN AND DIRECTLY PROPORTIONATE TO THE DEGREE TO WHICH THE FEMALE TRUSTS THE MALE.

Whew, what a big ass deck! Here are 5 other reads that I found very beneficial.

1. Top signs a girl is blowing you off http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195556

2. About nice cars http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193554

3. And hypergamy http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=202084

4. Cost of divorce http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195329

5. Withholding sex http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=204027

And some cases that I found quite interesting (outside of looks threads)

I. Does every woman have a boyfriend? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134630

II. Do women control the dating game? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193911

III. Women and online dating http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=200491

IV. Your attention wh0re http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=197328

V. Guys burn to have a girl, but not the other way around! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=197794

VI. Financial Success? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=202930

VII. Super busy? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=204048

VIII. Neutering that Bob Barker wouldn't approve of! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195844

IX. OMG! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2031650

X. Women love value! No sh*t Sherlock! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=201837

My fave 5 for best advice given in no particular order.

1. Have a "My way or the highway attitude"
2. Be physically & financially fit
3. Know when to go ghost (No contact) and walk off
4. Always have options (spin plates)
5. If you’re scared to lose a girl, chances are you’ve already lost her in another castle, as you start to become her slave

And of course for the 5 worst advices given in no particular order.

1. Don’t get sexual on the first date :kick:
2. Ask women for advice on dating (we all know how this works out)
3. Tell her you like/ love her
4. Ask her to become exclusive first :flowers:
5. Be her friend first :nono:

And 5 court cases I’ve reviewed here that made me sick.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=191213
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=202474
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=201459
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=190180
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=195713

Whew, what a typeout! It’s a lot of sh*t, but I had to do it. For the greater good of the board! :rockon:

And let me know of some other issues here that I need to address too as I know I’m missing some. If nothing else, we'll stand adjourned.

There's some valid points here, like all the other "rulings", but the direction is all wrong. You make it sound like women hold all the cards, and men are on the defensive and settling for ****. You must spin plates to save yourself from rejection. And so on.

This is true only IF you allow it to happen. And going in with this mindset IS going to make it so. And you ARE going to be the *****, and take anything you can get. That's why you must have sufficient confidence and self-esteem, and know that you're a good catch who can attract women. You must flip the script - as I always say. YOU are the prize, you have standards, you don't settle, you are choosing them. And no, this isn't just wishful thinking.

A lot of this comes from your behavior and attitude, or the image you are projecting. Perception is very strong in the dating / social world. When you approach with confidence, seem like a social / likeable guy, have good conversational skills, make jokes, flirt and charm, dress nice, seem in-demand, etc, you're already in there. Or even when you seem chill, laid back, and selective / unimpressed. It's all in your behavior, and their perception of you. You don't hang around them all time, and just talk to them casually, then do your own thing. Let them contact and come up to you. You're not obsessed... this **** drives them crazy, and puts them in pursuit mode.

But basically, I don't agree with a lot of these pessimistic, women own the world, and you are their slave, and all you can do is play defense and accept it posts being made all the time. It's simply not true. Women do approach, they do ask for your number, become infatuated, try to live up to your standards, and beat other women and claim the prize. As well as find you intriguing, and all that good stuff.

It's when you act like a desperate, bitter, low self-esteem, "nobody likes me; life is unfair; women are *****es; woe is me" ***** that these things happen. You must respect and value yourself before anyone respects or values you. And yes, I've been on the ***** end before. Even as a good looking, social guy... the weakness and whining turned them off completely. It also changed their PERCEPTION of me real quick. I wasn't in-demand, assertive, interesting, confident, etc, but an insecure, whiney, bitter, co-dependant, failure, loser. Chicks don't dig that. When you act desperate, like nobody wants you, and make women the prize - their attraction is depleted.

A lot of these posts seem to suggest that everyone is an average to low-level scrub who can't make friends, be "cool" and out-going, or attract anybody. I mean, I know there are guys like this out there, but come on.

like your work nismo, keep it up

repped

Repped. Best post (and most eye openingly truthful) I've seen here in months. Your work is appreciated, sir!

VladPatton said:

Repped. Best post (and most eye openingly truthful) I've seen here in months. Your work is appreciated, sir!

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Ditto.


I think this fits under section 41: Breakups if you want to link it.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=203379

Honestly I just felt left out


SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN ANOTHER STICKY

But underneath this seemingly human exterior, women are fully armored hyperalloy combat machines. Very tough. They don’t feel your pain; they can't be reasoned with, they can't be bargained with... they don't feel pity or remorse or fear... they can change their emotions in literally the flick of an eye, and once a woman makes the decision to shut off her emotions, she does it.

And because women are constantly bombarded with AFC attention, they usually think that the grass is greener on the other side, though usually they find out that it's not. This is why you have women who are depressed even two years after a relationship ends - they find out reality has not quite met their own entitled perceptions that they will be treated like a princess by throngs of adoring males.

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Don't these two statements seem somewhat contradictory? Half the time, women are described here as soulless psychopaths, machines. The rest of the time, they're described as emotional trainwrecks unable to regulate themselves or exhibit rational thought, because they are slaves to feelings and desires. Which is the case?

I understand women's ability to supposedly "shut off" emotions and branch swing. In reality, she hasn't shut off her emotions at all - she has just transferred them to another object of desire. We do the exact same thing with them. It's life.

I've also seen them (and this is more frequent) give absolutely everything to win a man's "love." Subjecting themselves to emotional, financial, even physical abuse because they are just so desperate to have him.

And they DO feel. They cry, they beg, they plead, they employ their pathetic manipulations - not because they are stronger than you - but because they are weaker. Because they need you more than you need them. Does that sound like a merciless machine to you?

You honestly think that these washed up hors, these women who continually jump from man to man just because they could, are truly happy? I can go out and fuk all the fatties and 1s I want, but who cares? Make no mistake - women may have many orbiters, but they are just as frustrated by lack of quality options (who would also actually stay with them, this is key) as we are.

You think they really want all the slobbering beta fools who put up with their behavior and give them validation? A woman having innumerable options, and a woman actually liking her options, are two different things. Most women have a lot less power in this area than we give them credit for.

Nismo, you have done a lot for this forum and guys everywhere - but I agree with floydb25 - the tone of some of this is unnecessarily negative. Love the post though, thanks!

Quite a long read judge, I'm glad you took the time to write it! Worth every keystroke! I wonder if you meant for this to be a sequel to the 69 common cases you already solved?

Regardless, it's a great read and it needs to be stickied!

Nismo's post is invaluable, the content and time you put into this is very much appreciated!

This post tends to focus on the negative side of women and how manipulative and deceiving they are. I don't believe ever single women is like this, but the majority in fact are. I also feel like it's geared towards the HB 7s and up. This is very common behavior for any girl that is attractive.

I think the important thing to remember is to be positive despite all this information. It can be pretty damn depressing and sad once you swallow the blue pill. But remember to stay in a positive state of mind always, do not adopt this women hating mindset. It's not healthy and counterproductive. Negative thinking will only bring you down, into a depression and a bitter attitude towards life. Others will notice your miserable thinking and label you as a whiner/complainer. Understand how the female brain works, accept it, don't be bitter about it, be happy you're a dj and stay positive and optimistic.

Judge's bump

Judge Nismo, killing it it once again!

50. Indifference

Being indifferent/ ignoring women only works for a man of high value with looks, money, and status. If an average man ignores a hot chick, the hot chick won't even notice, let alone care. Anytime you try and "fake" game, it usually comes across as being incongruent, and you send out mixed signals. And she’ll pick up on that! Obviously, the best way to pull this off would be to TRULY be ONLY slightly interested in ANY girl. IMPOSSIBLE to feign indifference when you're horny as f**k.

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This is an excellent post and a great point i wanted to expound on. indifference is not a way to land even moderately good looking women where I live. It goes counter to PUA advice to actually pursue a women in this manner, but you have to do something in order to get said interest. Sitting around and pretending like you don't care is stupid, especially when you have no other options. Women can read that.

The key is to not be too indifferent or too "needy" ( this can be different for different women). Its a balancing act I am still trying to master.

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5. Your bulletproof game and charming personality won’t make you look any better when your shirt comes off: Rollo T.

6. Women who are interested in you won’t confuse you: Rollo T.

9. Judge by actions, not words

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These are some pieces of advice I always remember. Also to limit electronic contact through phone, text messages, email, etc. Remember to not contact her too fast or too often, and that all contact should have face time as its goal. No getting closer to each other through chat, that kills the spark. It also shows her that you have nothing else to do.

Other good advice is to control your emotions; don't get upset, bitter, angry, nervous. If you don't like her behavior, walk away instead of starting a fight. You will look much better both in her eyes and in the eyes of anyone who sees it or will hear about it. Plus, this is simply the better way to act.

And spin more plates, if possible. It gives you perspective like nothing else will. Even the slightest flirtatious contact with other women than The One you have chosen, will help you gain perspective.


A woman can have a man whenever the f**k she wants.

But women can't always get the quality men they want either, same as men can't always get the quality women. Many women also have to settle.

Most men are so sex crazed, lonely, mommy starved, weak minded faggots they will take any pig and try to dress her up as a legitimate partner even though deep down the men are dying inside.
Yes, this should not be done. Neither should a woman hang out with a loser, it goes both ways.

The part about how the sense of entitlement has gone through the roof, and other talk about the immense b!tchiness of women today, always baffles me. I know there are women like that and I have met my fair share, but everywhere I go I also meet women who are feminine and friendly. Maybe I just move in the right circles. Maybe it's a local thing, maybe the U.S. has experienced an abysmal turn for the worse since the last time I visited. Although I can't help suspect that a forum like this one will attract the guys who have had unusually unlucky experiences - the lucky ones have little reason to come here.

Floyd and Wolfgang have it right, not completely wrong but unnecessarily cynical. Maybe this style works for some, but it seems counter productive.

Uplifting posts always inspired and provided me with ways to improve my life which actually worked. All this stuff about how all girls are evil wh0res is just depressing. I get the whole 'red pill' thing about realizing being captin save a ho won't work ect, but it is becoming a case of seeing what you want. Guys start to realize sometimes girls manipulate and now all they see is manipulation. Saying looks and money are the only thing that work just puts the focus on what you don't have (and gives you a depressing vibe) and this vibe makes it more likely that you'll fail and when you do only reenforces the believe the looks are money are all that count. I'm not saying there not a factor, but why focus on it?

PUA tricks are junk, but mood and attitude are not. There also not something you can fake.

Like Wolfgang, I meet plenty of feminine and friendly, but in the US. Maybe your meeting girls in the wrong places? Nismo even said the top girls meet guys in their social circles. Using social circles is a great approach that doesn't seem to have as many of the pitfalls as described here.

37 & 38 are bullet proof truth! Love it

Just a question to nismo-4, how often do you get laid/how many women have you f***ed? Just curious.