Backbreaker's Inferno

This is something I toyed around with around Christmas and it kinda took a life of it's own. I don't really know where this is supposed to go, so if you need to move it do so. While there are some I feel good lessons to be learned this is for 100% entertainment purposes. I can tell you now it's not 100% grammatically correct, I don't feel like freaking proof reading a message board post. fvcking sue me lol.

Enjoy.

De’andre was a normal, well (or so he thought) adjusted young man who fancied a woman named Beth. Beth was all De’Andre thought about. He had a picture of her on his screen saver. He had a picture of her on his phone. He called her daily. He texted her daily. He wrote her letters proclaiming his undying love for her. This woman was the love of De’Andre’s life, he couldn’t imagine life without her. He lived for the days she would go with him out and he would treat it like a real date. He would not chase other women because he wanted to make sure he was “available” when she was ready to finally date him. He cherished the friendly pecks on the cheek she would give him, which to her were totally harmless. Throughout years of this torment he had convinced himself that she was really interested in him, but all these different things.. work.. that “jerk” Ex of hers, school, were keeping them apart. He believed her when she said she wasn’t ready for a relationship (but you keep calling and taking me out every other night and spending all your time/money on me in the meantime).



Then one day, while sitting in starbucks drinking 7 dollar cups of coffee, she mentioned that she had “met a guy” and they were now dating. He was heartbroken. He asked her what he could do, what did this guy have that he did not have! He demanded to know the answer and know now, and whatever it was that he did not have, he was going to go get, because he was hell bent on winning Beth for himself! This game was not over by any means according to him.



As she gave him a harmless kiss on the cheek (again) and walked out the door, and while he had already in his mind started to devise his “strategy” to win her back, there was a guy on the other side of the room who was looking at De’Andre and was chuckling to himself. Almost crying with laughter. De’Andre, feeling embarrassed, because he knew damn well what the guy was laughing at, asked him what he thought was so funny.



“You” the guy replied. “Let me guess, you just got the “I got a BF, but you can still be my friend and take me out and do stuff for me even though I know I told you for the last year I wasn’t looking for a BF” speech didn’t you?



“How did you know” De’Andre said, with the look of someone who was just knocked out cold



“Look I didn’t mean to come off as harsh” the guy responded, and stood up to come sit next to De’Andre. “Let me introduce myself to you, my name is Virgin, and I’ve seen stories like your all too often in the City of Dissed”



“…..What the fvck is the City of Dissed?” De’Andre asked.



“Haha, I forgot that only a select few people are unplugged from the matrix when I speak, you have to excuse me. The City of Dissed is a version of hell that Average Frustrated Chumps have to endure for the rest of eternity” stated Virgin



“What is an Average Frustrated Chump” asked De’Andre?



“You” stated Virgin. “A guy who has no clue when it comes to the opposite sex, and believes everything that women tell him to do actually works.



“Hey now, wait a minute, I’m good with the ladies, I always go on dates, and I have plenty of female friends, women like me.” declared De’Andre



“Women like USING you” stated Virgin. He went on to explain, “you put yourself out there, and let the woman know that you will do anything and everything to get her attention, and a woman while not sexually attracted to you, will find a way to make good use to you, but is smart enough not to kill any hope you have for a future together. As long as you have that hope, the woman you desire, as in the woman t hat just walked out the door will have you under your thumb”



“Let me ask you a question.. Why where you even here today?” asked Virgin



“Today is my birthday! Stated De’Andre. I’m 22 years old today. She met me here to tell me happy birthday and see how I was doing. And you don’t’ think she has any feelings for me, silly you, only a girl that likes you will show up and do things like that”



“Very well” stated Virgin. “Who paid for the 2 vente iced carmel machanios?” asked Virgin



“..I did” De’Andre reluctantly answered, “But she’s having trouble with money right now and I didn’t want to bother her with that, it’s not a big deal” De’Andre explained



“That’s cool” Virgin stated. “So where did she meet the guy that she meet one time and is now dating?”



“She said she met him at a nightclub, and then her friends and him all went out to Denny’s afterwards” Stated De’Andre



“So this woman has the money to get dressed.. probably in a new outfit, gas up the car, go out to the club, pay a 20 dollar entry to the club, buy 1-2 drinks, then buy herself some food at Denny’s but can’t spring for a 6 dollar cup of coffee for your birthday? This is a woman you are defending?” Virgin asked.



“But..But.. it’s not like that” De’Andre stated. “She’s the perfect girl. She’s sweet, she’s pretty, she’s nice..”



“And she doesn’t like you” Virgin cut off De’Andre mid sentence. “None of that matters even if it is true. Look, today is your birthday, you seem like a nice enough guy, and well I’m bored, so I can show you better than I can tell you” Virgin stated “You are going to come with me” he stated



“Wait.. Where are we going? Asked De’Andre



“I’m going to show you the error of your ways first hand, by giving you a first hand tour of the city of Dissed. It’s actually right around the corner from here” stated Virgin



The two rose up from their seats, went outside and walked about 3 blocks into they saw an empty building with a closed door.



“…I thought this was Red Lobster? I’ve been here before” stated De’Andre



“All AFC’s have been here before De’Andre, and it’s no coincidence the door to the City of Dissed is a Red Lobster entrance. This is the official restaurant of AFC’s. They take dates here time and time again hoping to charm women into dating them” Stated Virgin. De’Andre nodded his head in guilt.



As they walked in however, they took the right turn into the bar.. the part of red lobster De’Andre (or apparently no one) had never been to because he had never gone to red lobster alone, and alas he fount it was not a bar. It was a door with these words inscribed above the door:











As soon as the door was opened, the overwhelming voice of millions of women speaking almost busted out their ear drums. Men who were chained to beds with speakers on both side of their ears with different women cantering different things to each man. “Oh you are such a great guy you are”, “You are my best friend”, “Oh Jim is such a jerk I wish he were more like you”, “Chase and I had some GREAT sex last night. Can you come pick me up to take me to get my hair done?”



“These are all men just like you. Guys who chased a woman, who were shot down, and decided they still wanted the woman anyway. They were going to win their women by virtue, by showing them how great of a friend they were. What these men and yourself do not understand is if it’s a friend she sees, then it’s a friend you shall be. That doesn’t change in a woman’s eyes. These men are sentenced to an eternity of listening to their women they cherished, talk about everything but dating them. Talking about the men they have had sex with, and reminding them why they are such great friends. They could have cut bait and run in the world of the living, but they decided the woman was worth chasing, so their punishment for the rest of eternity is to be with that woman… on her terms. Which is a 100% platonic relationship.” Explained Virgin



“..Wow that ****ing sucks” stated De’Andre. “So this is what I am going to go when I die?”



“if you don’t change your ways, yes” explained Virgin. “As you can see, this is the first room in hell. This is the misdemeanor offenses of hell so to speak. It’s hell but as you can see the men are quite comfortable, their violations aren’t as bad as some of the others you will met, because even in all your efforts, at least you are letting women know you want to date them. You are taking action. You mean good, you just don’t know any better. It’s the easiest thing to fix” explained Virgin.



“So how do I do that?” Asked De’Andre.



“Simply stated, by having a backbone, and standing up for what you want, and not be afraid to walk away. If you wish to date a woman, and she doesn’t see you in that light, then walk away and go try to find someone else who does like you. Do not waste your time trying to “win” this woman. The more you try to win this woman, and she doesn’t like you, you start to think you aren’t good enough for ANYONE, just because this one woman doesn’t like you, doesn’t mean there aren’t 10 more that won’t love you to death. “ explained Virgin

As they get to the get to the end of the room, they see a door which opens to another room and as soon as they walk into the room, they see thousands of rows full of people having sex.. non stop sex. Not just people. Women.. who had to be every bit of 400 pounds on avg. Nasty, fat women, riding men who were all in unison crying for them to stop having sex with them. But the more the men cried, the more the woman tired to please him. “Oh you just want it faster” one stated. “Oh I w ill let you eat me out since you want to so bad” stated another woman who had to be 500 pounds. The look on that particular man’s face was one of sheer terror.



“Dude, WTF did these guys do to deserve this” De’Andre stated. “This isn’t fair”



“haha, that’s exactly why they are being tormented like this” Stated Virgin. “These men in real life, would sit around, and play video games, masturbate to porn 10 times a day, who had no real life , no ambitions, no promising career, they offered nothing to society besides a penis to reproduce with, yet in return, demanded perfection from women. They demand 8’s and 9’s when they are 4’s and 5’s themselves. Their punishment is to be made to shack up with the women of their actual league for the rest of eternity. That guy who has his face full of 500 pound fat coochie right there, that man when he was living, lived with his parents, played video games all day long, was slightly overweight, and had no long term job nor plan to get one. Yet, because he was half decent looking and somewhat funny, had decent women who were interested in him, that he turned down because he wanted to date women of “higher quality”. Explained Virgin



“How can I not become that guy right there? Asked De’Andre. “I really don’t want to be that guy”



“It’s actually quite simple. So simple that I can tell you in one sentence:






NEVER DEMAND OF A WOMAN WHAT YOU DON’T FIRST DEMAND FROM YOURSELF



As they leave this room they enter a long hall way, and after about 10 minutes of walking, they enter a new section of the building with a sign above that stated






They walk into this room, and there is a group of guys sitting around, crying looking at various women having sex with 10 guys at once. Groups of guys gangbanging women while one man watches crying his eyeballs out. Non stop sex.



“Why are these guys crying?” Asked De’Andre?



“These are all guys, who gave up or sold a piece of themselves to get a woman. This guy right here, he was playing minor league baseball, his dream was to go to the major leagues, and his woman convinced him to get a “more stable job” and he did so to keep her happy. He sold a piece of his soul to keep a woman. You want to know the real irony of this situation right here? All the guys right there that are running a train on her, are guys she has fantasized about on the baseball field. She already had what she is fantasize about, turned it into something she doesn’t fantasize about, then goes right back out to fantasize about what she originally liked about her current BF but changed.



That guy over there, he had a truly brilliant business idea, and unlike many men, had the will to try and make it work. But he ran into a woman that convinced him to spend more time with him instead of the business and he did so, eventually putting the dream for the business on eternal hold.



These men have no souls of their own because they sold it to get women. Their punishment, is to have their women commit soulless acts in front of them for the rest of eternity. It takes a soulless woman to let her husband or boyfriend watch her get gangbanged for the rest of eternity. The irony of it all being, more than likely something like this happens in real life too, because you have become not what the woman eventually fell in love with, she will go out and so something similar to this, rather it be having sex with multiple men, or her boss, or the artist she met while getting coffee at starbucks. Once a woman has fully domesticated you, she will go find someone else she can’t control more times than not”



“So let me guess… you are going to tell me to never sale my soul for a woman, never put a woman before what I want in life” Stated De’Andre.



“Very good, very good” Stated virgin. The room is also filled with guys who get married too early, before the age of 30, to the first girl who takes them seriously and guys who stole or cheated on their best friend /blood relative’s girlfriend or wife. These are all soulless men who in return, are left with soulless women. Never sale yourself short, never give up a piece of yourself just for sex, never deny or restrain your dreams for the “virtue” of marriage or a relationship or this will be your fate”



They walk through the door into another room , and the room was a big track circle, like at a track meet. There were these guys running around in circles, chasing something.. the guys looked very tired and were screaming out “I don’t want to do this anymore, this is getting old, I want to do something else”. As they got closer..



“is..is that what I think it is” stated De’Andre



“Yes stated Virgin, that’s exactly what you think it is.. That’s a vagina. The men are literally chasing *****. See, these men, unlike yourself, actually know a thing or two about women. They know how to talk to women, how to get what they want from women, how to have sex with women. But that’s their entire do. They take their new found talents, and like a kid in a candy store, they just can’t or won’t stop. Sex and the pursuit of sex consume their lives. They don’t grow as people, they don’t’ have any ambition, their self worth is nothing more the number of x’s on the bed post, and the only interesting stories they can tell are of frivolous sexual escapades



These men have spent a life time doing absolutely nothing but chasing *****. Any book they read had to be about how to get more women. Every thing they bought, had to do with getting them more women. The few that did work out, did so only to get more women. They clothes the bought, they bought because women thought they would look good on them. These men have no souls of their own, their souls have been morphed into whatever they think women like. These men have spent a lifetime chasing *****, so now they spend an eternity chasing it.”



“What can I do to not become one of these men? I mean every man likes sex and chases sex correct?” Asked De’Andre



“you are correct to a certain extent. Men like and will purse sex. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact that’s healthy. The problem is that these men are consumed by it. Simply have balance. Do not make women or a woman the focal point of your life. The only difference between you and these men, are that they actually know what they are doing to some extent with women. Both of you put women above anything else. He just has more options than you do




Have a balanced life, talk to women, go on dates, even go on dates with multiple dates with multiple women, but you should still peruse other non womanly interest as well as the same time. As long as you can do that,l you won’t worry about being here”





As they leave this room and go into a new hallway, they go down a flight of stairs that doesn’t seem to end.


“I’m going to tell you something” Virgin stated. “What you have seen so far, that was the upper level of AFC hell. ****’s about to get real son. Be prepared, for we are about to enter the

They make it to the bottom of the stairway and it’s an exit door to the back of the building. There are squirrels on the ground everywhere, eating and chatting with each other, running up and down trees. It is a park where there are women on one side of the park chatting, looking cute, acting hot, doing their thing, yet there are groups of men on the other side of the park, sitting down, reading and writing, also talking with the squirrels. The women would look over at the men and laugh and keep talking to themselves.

“Why won’t these men go talk to these women?’ Asked De’Andre

“These are the Philosophers. They don’t even try to talk to women anymore. They try to understand them, break them down, analyze them, and calculate them. They aren’t even women anymore they are now test subjects. They spend all day long coming up with ridiculous discussions that have nothing to do with real life and real women, they try to intellectualize sexual attraction, These are the guys that can tell you about how hypergamy is ruining society, yet couldn’t tell you when a woman is into you on a first date, because they haven’t been on one in forever. Or will tell you that feminism is the downfall of society, yet they haven’t approached a woman and tried to get a date out of her in years if ever.

“That’s kind depressing.. but why is it worst then everything else?” asked “De’Andre

“Let me explain” Stated Virgin. “Take you. For all your miscalculations, piss poor judgment, lack of talent when it came to getting women, and believe me, you have no talent lol, at least you took action. These men stopped taking action eons ago. Instead of trying to become men, they tried to understand women, they tried to inllectuallze with women, and there is nothing attractive, romantic, or sexy about your intellect. Action is sexy. Going over to a woman you don’t know and asking for her number, while a woman might not give it to you, she will admire your boldness. There is nothing to admire about any guy here. They sit in starbucks and comment on everyone else living life, and how they see everything wrong yet never take any action themselves.

One is not saying you shouldn’t be aware of your surroundings, and try to understand the complex nature of male / female relationships. But not at the extent of not taking any action, like these guys have. AFC hell is broken up into 2 main parts. People who in general, were AFC’s but at least took action, and therefore had some redeeming qualities viewed by the opposite sex, and guys who took no action and who think that by some chance, they will get ***** by osmosis if they learn everything there is to know about male female relationship.”

“There is still one more level to go” stated Virgin. “Come on”

They went down the street, and walked a few blocks and went to a beauty salon. They walked in, and it was full of MEN. In a BEAUTY SALON.

“Why are men, in a beauty salon?” asked De’Andre?

“These are female chauvinist. The worst of the worst. These are men, who are so hopeless with women, that they now deny their own nature in order to try to score points with women. Most men, have some white knight in them so to speak, but these here are the men who believe women as a whole are better than men. Who believe women are smarter than men, that women know better than men, that women should take the lead, because men are clueless idiots.

These men, are sentenced to an eternity of living lives like women. They are sitting here, getting their nails done, getting their hair washed and talking about the latest cosmo edition. . They aren’t even viewed as men anymore. These men could go sleep next to a woman and the woman would think nothing of it because these aren’t men. If one of these men were to even express a sexual desire the women would bust out laughing because they aren’t viewed as men anymore. Even the Philosophers, while they weren’t manly, they didn’t go so far as to deny who they were. These men take it there. These men think as a whole that if they side with women that somehow women will fvck them. How men come to this conclusion I don’t know but this is what these men think”

“man, that’s fvcked up” Stated De’Andre

“yes it is” Stated Virgin. “This is the most important lesson that I can tell you. There is nothing wrong with respecting a woman. In fact you are encouraged to do so. But women are not better then men. They are women. They are different, not better. There are some things they do better than men, there are some things men do better than women. That’s the way it’s always been, that’s the way it’s always will be. Don’t ever deny your male nature to get the approval of a group of women or women as a whole Take pride in your actions and your male nature. “

“Welp, that’s it buddy, catch you later” stated virgin and in an instant disappeared. Instantly, he (De’Andre) was back at starbucks, in the same seat, as if nothing had ever happened. A few seconds later, beth walked back in the door and came back and sat down with him.. Before she even got in her seat De’Andre told her

“Beth you can go. I don’t want to see you anymore at all, take care of yourself”.

“What?” Beth stated? I thought we were friends?

“IF we are friends why couldn’t you at least pay for my coffee on my birthday?”De’Andre calmly asked

Her face got red and she started to stutter, “well you know I’m broke and I am having trouble with my money, you know that” she stated

“look, this isn’t about fvckign coffee. I want to fvck you and you don’t want to fvck me. I’m cool with you not wanting to fvck me, and I’m not mad at you one bit, but I’m not going to waste my time around when I can be doing something more constructive than chasing a woman who has no interest in me”

Beth had a look of bewilderment on her face “But.. I thought..”

“Poof be gone *****” stated De’Andre and in an instant, she disappeared. He was only was proud of himself, he felt the eyes of Virgin looking at him as to say “there you go, good job”

But, he really had no plans on what to do now. He had originally laid out this long day of spending time with her on his Birthday (at ll at his expense) now she was gone. So he just sat there, reading a book that he had bought while wanting on her to come. Out of the blue, he is interrupted by a drop dead gorgeous red head

‘excuse me, I don’t normally do this, but…is this seat taken? I saw you over here by yourself and you are so cute and my date stood me up and I wanted to see if I can sit and talk with you for a while”…

i read all of it. been there. thanks for the nice read.

proof read it, expand on it. Maybe it can make it on the djb one day.

Should be required reading for every man.

funny but good read

bravo

Reminded me kinda Pook style! Nice work, although the ending was a bit overexaggerated! "drop dead gorgeous red head" just came to him because he showed the way out to an AW?

Very valuable lesson for every man. very good!

What's with all the Pook style writings popping up lately?
Anyway, a very nicely entertaining summation of DJ principles, all the more pleasing to me since I actually agree with everything that was said.

DonJuanit0 said:

Nice work, although the ending was a bit overexaggerated! "drop dead gorgeous red head" just came to him because he showed the way out to an AW?

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Yeah, that was a bit much for me, too. This is the type of thing that bothers me about a lot of pickup material, it makes it seem too much like a magic bullet, which it isn't. It's like you change your attitude and learn a few things you really should have figured out on your own by now, and wham, literally within minutes a drop dead gorgeous redhead is all over you. Whereas moments before, you couldn't buy female attention.

Her approach seemed very male in style also: "Hey, you're cute, so I wanted to meet you". This type of approach by a female is a very rare thing IMO. Of course I know Backbreaker says he gets approached all the time, so maybe he thinks this type of thing is an everyday occurrence.

The other thing that kind of bugs me:
Is this type of chump really as common as pickup material makes them out to be? Certainly when I was growing up there were damn few guys this bad, to actually pine after this same chick for years. But people here tell me that males growing up today are sissified beyond belief, so maybe it's true, who knows?

Also, what's the deal with Red Lobster? Isn't this actually a fairly crappy place to eat? I guess chumps like it because the lobster is expensive and a rare treat. Really, the lobster is about the only good thing they have.

zekko said:

What's with all the Pook style writings popping up lately?
Anyway, a very nicely entertaining summation of DJ principles, all the more pleasing to me since I actually agree with everything that was said.



Yeah, that was a bit much for me, too. This is the type of thing that bothers me about a lot of pickup material, it makes it seem too much like a magic bullet, which it isn't. It's like you change your attitude and learn a few things you really should have figured out on your own by now, and wham, literally within minutes a drop dead gorgeous redhead is all over you. Whereas moments before, you couldn't buy female attention.

Her approach seemed very male in style also: "Hey, you're cute, so I wanted to meet you". This type of approach by a female is a very rare thing IMO. Of course I know Backbreaker says he gets approached all the time, so maybe he thinks this type of thing is an everyday occurrence.

The other thing that kind of bugs me:
Is this type of chump really as common as pickup material makes them out to be? Certainly when I was growing up there were damn few guys this bad, to actually pine after this same chick for years. But people here tell me that males growing up today are sissified beyond belief, so maybe it's true, who knows?

Also, what's the deal with Red Lobster? Isn't this actually a fairly crappy place to eat? I guess chumps like it because the lobster is expensive and a rare treat. Really, the lobster is about the only good thing they have.

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It's not a "pook style" writing, it's a parody of the Divine Comedy. The different levels of hell, virgil=virgin, Daunte=De'Andre, Beatrice=beth, City of Dis=City of Discussion, etc.

If you are familiar with the divine comedy you know that Dante's inferno is just the first 3rd of the book. There will be more to this at a later date.

The end is kinda rushed, I took a flight to Dallas for the cotton bowl last night and told myself i would finish this on the flight or else it just won't get done.

the whole point about the woman approaching is to simply state that to move forward and give yourself an opportunity to date women, you have to burn bridges from the past. Opportunities are everywhere, you just have to be open to them. Guys who have locked in one target don't ever see those opportunities.

anyway, gotta go tailgate, glad you guys enjoyed it.

This is pretty cool... It's strange how everyone seems to have the same problems - yet the solution is so simple. I don't know if its so much being a chump as opposed to the nature of attraction. Everyone wants what they can't have, and is just out of their reach. Users and players know this. Finding this out is a HUGE revelation, and helps to not repeat the same patterns.

floydb25 said:

This is pretty cool... It's strange how everyone seems to have the same problems - yet the solution is so simple. I don't know if its so much being a chump as opposed to the nature of attraction. Everyone wants what they can't have, and is just out of their reach. Users and players know this. Finding this out is a HUGE revelation, and helps to not repeat the same patterns.

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As much as we like to blame media and feminism, I think aoot of it is just rooted actually in nature. IF we are not don juan with the ladies right out of the box, we find coping mechanisms that either make us feel better about ourselves, or help us get our foot in the door.

Me for instance, I had bad self esteem issues growing up in hindsight so I never thought I measured up, so I would do anything I could to keep what girl that did show me interest around. And when A woman confirmed my beliefs, that she thought she was better than me, I would go all out AFC to try to "prove myself"

Some men (cough my dad cough) compensates by sleeping with as many women as they can. People say that there were some good ole days when women were women and men were men.. I don't necessarily think that's true. I think anytime that you have men, and you have women, and you have some men who are clearly at the top of the pecking order, and you have women who are at the top of the sexual pecking order, dealing with complex human nature, people have always and always will try to compensate somehow.


Throw in the fact that my dad and mom were separated, and my mom despised my dad's DJish behaviors and told me whatever you do don't be like that, despite the fact that women ran the other way from me after a few weeks time and time again lol, and then throw in the guys who are married and are just chumps to the core and who have kids and they teach their kids how to be chumps.. the avg guy doesn't stand a chance in hell out the box.

Same here... Then, once they found out I was pining for them - rather than sympathize, and give me a chance - they used it against me to tear me down and use me. Never trust that someone is going to be fair, not push you around, or not abuse their power - even if they hate when the same things happen to them. Give em a foot, and they'll take a million miles. The player types even plan this **** out, and specifically seek out those with low self-esteem... It's a jungle out there.

But, even beyond that, its simply not attractive to act weak, insecure, afraid, and desperate. They don't think "this guy really cares; he's so sweet" - they think "this guy is a loser; he has no options; I don't want him either". A lot of how we think they are going to view things is so far off from how they actually view them.

This includes the things they say they want. They don't think "yeah, this guy is nice" once you do all the things they say they want - they think "this guy is needy, clingy, whiney, etc". Or, when they realise you'll do this and that - they'll try to use you to get it.

That's why I never believe what people say, or assume that their words match their actions. Always focus on the facts; their interest level; who they are; and what they respond to. Even if they claim to be bothered by something, or hate when x and y does this or that... How are they responding to the person AS they make these claims? If its positive - their claims mean nothing. Actions over words. If you're acting nice to someone who complains about jerks - only to use you and pine after them - you're just wasting time. Proving to be even more nice won't work - because its not what they respond to in the first place.

backbreaker said:

It's not a "pook style" writing, it's a parody of the Divine Comedy. The different levels of hell, virgil=virgin, Daunte=De'Andre, Beatrice=beth, City of Dis=City of Discussion, etc.

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Oh, well, I've never read it, so that's why I didn't make the connection. That's one of those things you read in school but for some reason I never had to read it. I've thought about reading it a few times, but it never got any further than that.

The part where the guys are having sex with the fat women, and then there is the big moral given at the end in a big font, that was Pookish.

backbreaker said:

the whole point about the woman approaching is to simply state that to move forward and give yourself an opportunity to date women, you have to burn bridges from the past. Opportunities are everywhere, you just have to be open to them

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That redhead wasn't an opportunity, it was more like a house falling on him. But I hear what you're saying.

It's interesting that most of what you talk about deals with self respect. How not to compromise yourself for the woman. I really think that is what a lot of this site is about - how to respect yourself and not put yourself into a position where a girl can use you or degrade you.

Outside of things like working out, being positive, grabbing your balls, and being a man, I'm not sure there's all that much you can do to fundamentally make yourself more attractive to women. But you can make sure you keep your self respect. Which is attractive in itself.

floydb25 said:

They don't think "yeah, this guy is nice" once you do all the things they say they want - they think "this guy is needy, clingy, whiney, etc".

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I think what a lot of guys fail to consider is that women are in many ways the opposite of us. So what they want is not necessarily what we want. Aside from physical attraction, we mainly want a girl who is nice. So sometimes we try to be what we would find attractive. But women want strength, ambition, drive, masculinity. They have no need of a guy who is weak and pandering, that's not what they're looking for.

Partially agree... Its not just men making assumptions - thats what women say they want. So, we act the part - only to find its so far off from what they actually want.

Can this be moved to the tips section please don't want it getting covered up by stupid posts in the normal forum

Pure fcuking GOLD!

On a personal note, I ditched a five year relationship to escape one half of the land of the soulless. It's now looking increasingly likely that I will ditch or at least moderate a six month stretch of craziness to escape the other half. Time spent in this part is for learning purposes and self discovery only, and after you have learned what needs to be learned to live the life you want to live it is time to move on.

My professional goal is this: I want to be in the top league of my chosen field, independently or in my own company, working for no more than six months of each year. I achieved the ability to do this before I left on my journey of self discovery.

My relationship goal is this: I want one primary girl of high quality who treats me as I want to be treated, plus a number of credible secondary options to prevent me from ever making her the centre of my life. I am only now starting to see things that are invisible to most guys so I think I am getting close.

Wish me luck!

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