Do you think a good DJ/seducer should be able to get any girl?

Before to answer this question to quickly, please ask yourself this one.
Do you think a true DJ/seducer/man should be convinced he can get any girl he want?
My answer is yes.
My stance is simple. Beside to be the correct mindset to adopt before trying to seduce any girl, it is a necessary one to avoid making excuses (to as why you have failed) before to even try to do so.

Excuses like:
« It’s not because I am not attractive (my game isn’t good) enough, it’s because she’s a b1tch. »
That’s the worst excuse ever, because there is absolutely NO argument nor reason here. Simply bitterness and/or misogyny (a problem many PUA have).

« It’s not because I am not attractive (my game isn’t good) enough, it’s simply because I’m not her ‘type’. »
There is no such thing as « types ». Or it’s not a good enough excuse. How many of us have had relationship (only sexual or as a real couple) with women who were not A PRIORI our ‘type’. Some of these were even surprisingly good and fun.
Girls are no different. They may very well have a type they prefer but it doesn’t mean that’s the ONLY kind of men that’ll get in their pants.

« It’s not because I am not attractive (my game isn’t good), it’s because I’m a bit too fat, too nice, too skinny, too shy, too… »

This isn’t a good reason either since you can change all these things, it’s up to you to do so.

My point is 90% of the excuses you can come up with to try to put the blame on someone else, something that is not your fault, are just that: EXCUSES!
And a lie to yourself. They simply allow you to avoid, don’t face up to the real problem… YOU!

So, stop finding excuses, take responsibility and you’ll see you’ll improve a lot faster.
Because you’ll have to deal with your failures, to accept that if you didn’t seduce/attract her, it’s (nearly) entirely YOUR FAULT! And you CAN do something about it.
You’ll even start to accept some external factors you can truly do nothing about (the color of your skin, your height, your body build, the shape of your eyes, nose… whatever feature is bothering and can think of) and integrate them (mentally) as part of yourself, WHO YOU ARE… Instead of whining about them (therefore about yourself).

Now, after reading this, the question can be asked (that‘s the question of the poll):

Do you think a good DJ/seducer should be able get any girl? (Putting aside extreme cases like you’re black and she’s racist; you’re in a wheelchair; you have a deformity of some sort; you’re abnormally stupid…)

Yes or no?

Are you kidding? According to Louis/Copeland a successful seducer only sleeps with 1 in 40 women he likes (2.5%). To expect 100% is too much pressure - 4000% too much pressure.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

For example - I don't think Angelina Jolie is the least bit attractive. She's considered one of the world's most beautiful women (and women have it easier in terms of sleeping with men of their choice).

Nobody can get anyone - everyone has a type.

He 'likes' (meaning he met/approach them and/or know them) or simply finds attractive?
Because if we count the women we pass by in the street or see in a club or wherever... Sure.

If you're talking about a night of sarging, yeah that can be the rate too... But I find sarging stupid (beside doing it to get rid of an approach anxiety problem).

Sarging is the proof that some (many?) PUAs are miss-named. They should be called PUW i.e. Pickup Workers (skilled or not). They are the working class of seduction.

If you concentrate your efforts on girls that you really wanna try with or give you some iois before to actually approach them, your success rate will dramatically improve... And you'll still be able to fvck as much as PUW (if that's what one is looking for.)

PS: You may find AJ not that hot, but if you didn't have action for some days and she (a girl her 'type') starts hitting on you, will you say not thx, I prefer 5 to 1? Girls are the same.

You have a type when you're getting some, when you can satisfy your desire with that particular type... When you're not, it's another story. You take what's available to you.

And, as I said, you can be positively surprised by and attracted to a girl which is supposedly not your 'type' but overcome this 'handicap' with some other trait/characteristic.

Of course not. To think so is to be childishly naive. And of course you rig the game with you list of terms and conditions and then blame the player if they disagree with your premise. How about this...you go out and seduce every girl you want and come back and tell us how it worked out. That will end this silly thread and probably most of your silly notions as well.

Here is an analogy to take with you. Can a Super Star Athlete win every championship game every time?

Can a Superstar Lawyer win every case every time?

Can a champion boxer win every match every time?

Can a ...oh hell... you get it.

In any game there are winners and losers and even champions lose some and win some. Champions just play at a higher level and are willing to go the extra mile, and because of this they tend to win a lot more than they lose. But they all lose some every now and then. But the only true losers are those that refuse to play the game. So play the game as best you can and don't nerd up your brain worrying about crap post about how you should possess mythical skills. Worry about real tangible results and improving them over time.

Absolutely not. That would only drive someone insane. You snag every woman you're interested in. Don't take it as a reason to feel bad tho.

i think a great PUA is someone that get the girls HE Wants.

i'm not here to **** heaps and heaps of randoms. i'm here to get the girls ( could be anyone Not "this one girl" type of thing) i wan't i'm more of quality over quantity guy.

OP...go up to 10 different women, and the ones who reject you or aren't interested...keep pestering them hoping to get a "Yes." See what happens.

Some women are just taken (and not looking to cheat), not at all attracted to you, or not looking. Doesn't mean "your game was off" or that the girl was a b*tch either...just means that she wasn't available/interested.

This is what happens when people read pick-up tactics and Mystery Method and the like and think "if I 'game' her, she won't be able to resist me."

It isn't the game anyway that the girls who like you are responding to. It's the confidence.

I think some of you are mistaken about what I think.

I don't think a PUA/DJ can get ANY girl. I think that's only a marketing slogan to attract dumb customers.

BUT I also think that we should be able to seduce the girls we want.
If I'm not interested in a girl, my motivation is low therefore I can miss the mark completely because I don't care.
But strangely enough, it can be a determinant factor for success too (because you're less needy, anxious...)
That's why questions like the one I asked and about seduction in general are difficult/complex to answer. It depends on POVs, beliefs, experience and CHOICES.

Still, we should have the right mindset before to try and go seducing girls.

That's why I ask this question first:
Do you think a true DJ/seducer/man should be convinced he can get any girl he wants?

My stance is a good DJ doesn't try to make excuses.

• That there is no such thing as a 'type'. Or, more precisely, that you can seduce a woman even though you are not her 'type'.

• You can improve your appearence and self-confidence. So, this is no excuse either.

• There is rejection... and there is rejection. Sometimes a no can be transformed in a yes. Or a no is meaningless (part of the seduction game). So your only option isn't to try to be a bully and fail. I hope that you can be more subtle than that (@satelliteparties)

Still, of course you won't get ALL the girls but believing you can get the girl you desire increases your chances to, that's a fact, get her.
That's why it is critical to have the right mindset and no excuses ready to explain failure.

Combine this with the fact that a good DJ simply knows or can feel when he has a chance (if a woman is open to the idea of being seduced) or not. And how (to act, what to say) to get laid with a girl he's attracted to.

And you'll understand how to be more succesfull with women.
You certainly won't be by making excuses for yourself.

I disagree with the whole concept of trying to get "a" specific girl.

Look up my posts regarding fishing vs. hunting to understand. A seducer is more like a fisherman than a hunter.

Zarky said:

I disagree with the whole concept of trying to get "a" specific girl.

Look up my posts regarding fishing vs. hunting to understand. A seducer is more like a fisherman than a hunter.

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It's a choice. Most of the time we think that a pu$sy is a pu$sy but, sometimes we can give some extra focus to a particular girl.

But I stand by my comment on sarging. Instead of attempting 50 approches to get 2 kiss-closes, 7 #closes and maybe 1 F-close, I prefer to approach 2 (max 3) girls for the same result. I think trying to feel some openness before to approach is a good way to obtain that kind of result.

Zarky said:

I disagree with the whole concept of trying to get "a" specific girl.

Look up my posts regarding fishing vs. hunting to understand. A seducer is more like a fisherman than a hunter.

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Yeah man, a hunter mindset doesnt quite work here, its either she bites the bate or she does not, and no power in this world can make her like you. I think "seduction" in this case is defined as the ability to sleep with a woman who is already somewhat attracted to you (agreeing to be in your company) or at least comfortable with you being around.

Its a duty for a seducer to go after what he perceives to be attractive, but he should never be outcome dependent - the usual stuff we read on here.

Zarky said:

I disagree with the whole concept of trying to get "a" specific girl.

Look up my posts regarding fishing vs. hunting to understand. A seducer is more like a fisherman than a hunter.

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^ ^ This.

It's not about trying to get one particular girl, girls come and go.

It's about being the best man you can be and improving your overall success rate.

No guy can get ANY girl. We've all seen some natural approach a girl, talk for a while, and possibly get a makeout or even a pull. On the surface, you might think "Wow, he can get any girl he wants. He just randomly picked one and hooked up.". Wrong. That is an illusion.

Naturals (either consciously or unconsciously) are good at target selection. On some level, he sensed that she was the right girl to go after or less likely, he really did take a shot in the dark and got lucky.

Should you have the delusional "I believe I can get any girl, even if it isn't true" mindset? I'd rather a more realistic, "I'm an attractive guy and will find the right girl for me" whether it's for dating or a fling.

I replied no, because that is extremely unrealistic and puts too much unneeded pressure on yourself.

Having the confidence that you have a chance at any specific girl is another story. A good DJ shouldn't consider anyone "out of his league" or "too good for him". But as far as actually getting any girl, not a chance.

The great ones tend to have much higher success rate because they pre-screen girls and they know which ones are interested early on. They are much more quick ignore cold leads and quickly identify hot leads.

This is biggest problem guys have is eliminating women via recognizing red flags/or incompatability quickly. Most guys, myself included, tend to hold out and give women too many chances when the two strike rule is one to live by.

I think "seduction" in this case is defined as the ability to sleep with a woman who is already somewhat attracted to you (agreeing to be in your company) or at least comfortable with you being around.

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I would argue that the way a "seducer" differs from a regular guy is the same way a professional athlete differs from an amateur. A pro puts a lot of time and resources into making himself the best he can be at his sport. The amateur just kind of goes out, plays around, has as much fun as he can, and goes home to think about other things. A pro lives his sport.

So to me it's all about the mindset, not whether you can pull a specific girl or even about your overall numbers really. Of course those numbers will follow with your time and effort, just like almost all pro athletes are better than almost all amateur athletes.

I think that the "hunter" and "fishermen" analogies can BOTH yield results, but the "fisherman" method is MUCH more efficient.

Sure, if you're a guy that's got his sh!t together and is attractive to women, you could pursue one girl over a period of time and PROBABLY nail her EVENTUALLY. Lots of guys do this; thing is, "eventually" could be a really long time, and the cost/benefit ratio isn't going to be worth all the effort--she's just a girl!!

I think the OP meant to ask a question about the DJ mindset, seeing that he modified his original question. In the case, I would agree that it is more productive to ALWAYS assume attraction until it is proved otherwise.

Even the top PUAs/ celebrities/ etc. aren't going to be able to get any girl they want. Top PUAs tend to stick with the ones that are showing interest; they are usually pretty conscious of their 'hit rate,' so it makes sense that they would optimize their game to get the most lays and fewest rejections. Sure, they might say they could get a certain girl if the logistics were right, if their friend was bartending, blah blah blah..but that doesn't count. Likewise, blaming yourself for every failure is a surefire way to develop an inferiority complex. You can only control what YOU do; the girl you are trying to pick up is a flesh and blood human being, not a machine. You can make predictions about her behavior, or try to steer the interaction in ways that tend to yield the best results statistically speaking, but you CAN NOT control her. The idea of a PUA as a svengali that can manipulate others is mostly just a product of PUA narcissism misantropy. You can improve your game, but you can't win every time.

I vote no, because to put it plainly, you aren't going to be successful ALL the time. You can be successful SOME of the time or even MOST of the time, but not ALL of the time.

I would agree that it is more productive to ALWAYS assume attraction until it is proved otherwise.

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Exactly.

No, some girls out there are gonna reject you right off the bat for various reasons.

For example, I really hate cigarette smoke, so if a girl who's a smoker wants to try and pick me up, it's gonna be an automatic rejection. Doesn't matter if she's a 9-10, it still grosses me out majorly.