Shivastorm_88
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All they do is give the illusion that you are a person of interest, or to use the seduction community's term, that you are "higher value". However, I much prefer really being of "higher value", not just projecting the illusion of it.
There used to be a time when I worshiped those tips and techniques. I learned them, applied them, tried to perfect them. True, they work to some extent, and they might be good if you're interested in speed seduction, but in the long run, they do nothing for your character's improvement. A Chinese proverbs says: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." This is a good analogy to this thread. The fish is the seduction techniques. It will be useful, but only in the very short term. That's why I won't deny that it is good for speed seducers, since they are all about short term. They might also be good when you are new to the game, since they serve as a foundation. However, if you're in it for the long term, whether self-improvement or looking for a long term relationship, seduction techniques won't be very useful.
Like I said at the start of this post, seduction techniques are an illusion. An illusion of higher value. Instead of giving out that illusion, why not truly become higher value? In this specific case, by higher value, I mean such things as learning self-respect, become a better person character-wise, take charge of your life, etc. Seduction techniques are good for those that lack just that, self-respect. For those people, what seduction technique teaches is a breakthrough. For them, it is important because it is a base on which to build the foundation. However, it must be just that, the base. When the base has been built, it is time to move on. Learn true self-respect and become a better person, don't just fake it through seduction techniques. Let me give some examples with the most commonly used and suggested techniques:
****y and funny: The whole concept of ****y and funny is, well to be both ****y and funny at the same time to become more appealing. However balance is important. Too funny means you look like a clown, and too ****y means you sound like an arrogant jerk. Neither is recommended.
Wait 3 days before contact: One you get a girl's number, a golden rule is to wait a few days (3 days being the magic, most used number) before contacting her.
Don't shower with attention: Don't give a girl all your free time, don't return her calls right away, don't answer her texts right away, etc. This shows that you are a busy person.
Don't put women on pedestals: Similar to the one above, it simply means not to put women as your number one priority or to basically worship the very ground they walk on (such thing to avoid are undeserved and frequent gifts, compliments, etc.).
Neg hits: This one my explanation my be slightly off as I am not too familiar with it. The point is to do a subtle insult, or a negative statement, meant to lower a girl's esteem of herself by pointing out her flaws. By doing so, she won't be inclined to think she is better than you.
That's just to name a few. These are the illusions. ****y and funny gives the illusion that you are fun (even though it is perhaps not natural to who you are to be ****y and funny), the waiting gives the illusion that you are busy, the showering of attention and pedestal gives the illusion that you aren't desperate while the neg-hit is simply giving the illusion that you aren't affected by her good looks and social status through a subtle (in my opinion) form of bullying.
Now let's say you have become a much better person, have self-respect, expect to be respected by others, got your life together and have plenty of hobbies, maybe a career that's keeping you busy, or school, or neither but keeping busy through hobbies. Let's re-visit these techniques and tips.
****y and funny: If you are living a fun and interesting lives, constantly trying new things, challenging yourself, pushing yourself and experimenting, you will be interesting and appealing. Maybe not through the perfect combination of ****y and funny, but through other means. ****y and funny isn't for everyone. For some, it comes naturally (like me). For others, it doesn't. However, there are other ways to make yourself interesting. Make your life more interesting, and you will naturally have a more "interesting vibe" to yourself. You will be more fun and more pleasant to be around, without needing to be ****y and funny.
Wait 3 days before contact: Personally, I am constantly busy (school, work, yoga, friends, wall climbing, hiking to name a few)... My schedule is planned roughly a week in advance, sometimes more. If I get a girl's number, I won't call her the next day. Not because some website told me to. Simply because I am genuinely busy and I know I won't be able to see her until, most of the time, at least 4-5 days to a week after I met her. If I know I will only be free in a week, why would I call her the next day to make plans for something that will happen in 8 days?
Don't shower with attention: Again, if you are genuinely busy, this shouldn't be an issue. You shouldn't even have to think about it. If a girl calls and I miss it, it's for a reason, and for that same reason that I won't call back right away. Not because I want to pretend to be busy. I won't be constantly calling or texting because I don't want to appear desperate, but simply because I got better things to do.
A side note on texts: A lot of people say "don't answer right away when she texts you!", to which I answer: Why not? The whole point of a text is to give an alternative to phone calls when your busy, so why not go for it when you can do it right away?
Don't put women on pedestals: This is where self-respect kicks in. If you have any sense of self-respect, you simply won't start worshiping women. They won't seem like the holy grail, but simply as regular persons. You don't need to fake this mindset through various techniques, it's only natural.
Neg hits: This point is to lower the value of a girl considered high value to show that you are not affected by her looks and social status. However, if you have self-respect and if you live an interesting and fulfilling live, whether the chick is an average-looking bookworm, or an extremely hot babe with a high social status, this should not change anything to you. It should not change the way you view them, it should also not change the way you act around them. After all, in the latter case, you are living an interesting life, and you do not lack self-respect. If the girl isn't interested in you, or looks down on you, simply walk away and find another girl who isn't a stuck-up *****.
Again, these are just five hand-picked examples. However, the concept remains the same. I have said it before, I will conclude with it again: Techniques gives the illusion of being a better person. Instead of focusing on learning these techniques, why not become a better person right away?
There used to be a time when I worshiped those tips and techniques. I learned them, applied them, tried to perfect them. True, they work to some extent, and they might be good if you're interested in speed seduction, but in the long run, they do nothing for your character's improvement. A Chinese proverbs says: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." This is a good analogy to this thread. The fish is the seduction techniques. It will be useful, but only in the very short term. That's why I won't deny that it is good for speed seducers, since they are all about short term. They might also be good when you are new to the game, since they serve as a foundation. However, if you're in it for the long term, whether self-improvement or looking for a long term relationship, seduction techniques won't be very useful.
Like I said at the start of this post, seduction techniques are an illusion. An illusion of higher value. Instead of giving out that illusion, why not truly become higher value? In this specific case, by higher value, I mean such things as learning self-respect, become a better person character-wise, take charge of your life, etc. Seduction techniques are good for those that lack just that, self-respect. For those people, what seduction technique teaches is a breakthrough. For them, it is important because it is a base on which to build the foundation. However, it must be just that, the base. When the base has been built, it is time to move on. Learn true self-respect and become a better person, don't just fake it through seduction techniques. Let me give some examples with the most commonly used and suggested techniques:
****y and funny: The whole concept of ****y and funny is, well to be both ****y and funny at the same time to become more appealing. However balance is important. Too funny means you look like a clown, and too ****y means you sound like an arrogant jerk. Neither is recommended.
Wait 3 days before contact: One you get a girl's number, a golden rule is to wait a few days (3 days being the magic, most used number) before contacting her.
Don't shower with attention: Don't give a girl all your free time, don't return her calls right away, don't answer her texts right away, etc. This shows that you are a busy person.
Don't put women on pedestals: Similar to the one above, it simply means not to put women as your number one priority or to basically worship the very ground they walk on (such thing to avoid are undeserved and frequent gifts, compliments, etc.).
Neg hits: This one my explanation my be slightly off as I am not too familiar with it. The point is to do a subtle insult, or a negative statement, meant to lower a girl's esteem of herself by pointing out her flaws. By doing so, she won't be inclined to think she is better than you.
That's just to name a few. These are the illusions. ****y and funny gives the illusion that you are fun (even though it is perhaps not natural to who you are to be ****y and funny), the waiting gives the illusion that you are busy, the showering of attention and pedestal gives the illusion that you aren't desperate while the neg-hit is simply giving the illusion that you aren't affected by her good looks and social status through a subtle (in my opinion) form of bullying.
Now let's say you have become a much better person, have self-respect, expect to be respected by others, got your life together and have plenty of hobbies, maybe a career that's keeping you busy, or school, or neither but keeping busy through hobbies. Let's re-visit these techniques and tips.
****y and funny: If you are living a fun and interesting lives, constantly trying new things, challenging yourself, pushing yourself and experimenting, you will be interesting and appealing. Maybe not through the perfect combination of ****y and funny, but through other means. ****y and funny isn't for everyone. For some, it comes naturally (like me). For others, it doesn't. However, there are other ways to make yourself interesting. Make your life more interesting, and you will naturally have a more "interesting vibe" to yourself. You will be more fun and more pleasant to be around, without needing to be ****y and funny.
Wait 3 days before contact: Personally, I am constantly busy (school, work, yoga, friends, wall climbing, hiking to name a few)... My schedule is planned roughly a week in advance, sometimes more. If I get a girl's number, I won't call her the next day. Not because some website told me to. Simply because I am genuinely busy and I know I won't be able to see her until, most of the time, at least 4-5 days to a week after I met her. If I know I will only be free in a week, why would I call her the next day to make plans for something that will happen in 8 days?
Don't shower with attention: Again, if you are genuinely busy, this shouldn't be an issue. You shouldn't even have to think about it. If a girl calls and I miss it, it's for a reason, and for that same reason that I won't call back right away. Not because I want to pretend to be busy. I won't be constantly calling or texting because I don't want to appear desperate, but simply because I got better things to do.
A side note on texts: A lot of people say "don't answer right away when she texts you!", to which I answer: Why not? The whole point of a text is to give an alternative to phone calls when your busy, so why not go for it when you can do it right away?
Don't put women on pedestals: This is where self-respect kicks in. If you have any sense of self-respect, you simply won't start worshiping women. They won't seem like the holy grail, but simply as regular persons. You don't need to fake this mindset through various techniques, it's only natural.
Neg hits: This point is to lower the value of a girl considered high value to show that you are not affected by her looks and social status. However, if you have self-respect and if you live an interesting and fulfilling live, whether the chick is an average-looking bookworm, or an extremely hot babe with a high social status, this should not change anything to you. It should not change the way you view them, it should also not change the way you act around them. After all, in the latter case, you are living an interesting life, and you do not lack self-respect. If the girl isn't interested in you, or looks down on you, simply walk away and find another girl who isn't a stuck-up *****.
Again, these are just five hand-picked examples. However, the concept remains the same. I have said it before, I will conclude with it again: Techniques gives the illusion of being a better person. Instead of focusing on learning these techniques, why not become a better person right away?
