Helped a young man see some light today.

Warrior74

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I was talking to a young filmmaker I know and he was telling me how he's been suffering from crippling anxiety. So I asked what was he so worried about. Of course, a girl. He tells me how he picked her up at a pizza place in a SWPL part of town. They talked and had a few beers and went back to her place. From that point on they were inseperable for the next two weeks, until one day out of th blue she says "I need some space". He said he's been devestated.

We chopped up game about how women are, and even though he knows that jerks get women, and women like guys that use them and that this girl had a history of dating abusive *******s, he would show her he was different by being nice to her. And of course it didn't work. He says he just wants to be in a loving relationship. I gave him the same advice we preach around here to which he said, I know I know, but why does it have to be that way? I asked him, why does the sun have to be so damn hot? It just is, either accept it or suffer like he's doing now. I told him about how I used to be like him when I was younger and what lessons I learned from my mistakes.

I told him, he's young, the best things he can do is to concentrate on his career as a filmmaker, take this time in his youth to get his act together and to get on the road to where he wants to be. Focus on his finances and spending time with his family. Have fun with his friends. All of these things are more important than women. He has a long life ahead and they never stop making women.

I told him to work out, go exercise, it will take some of that anxiety and stress away. And to stop taking women so serious. In fact, don't worry about settling down until his late 20s to early 30s after he has his career underway. Finance before romance. Just have fun with girls. If they leave, they leave. If they stay, they stay. Don't give up your dreams for a woman EVER. (he would stay at her place and cancel shoots to spend more time with her because she would beg him to stay.) I told him to let her ask for a realtionship, let her wonder and frett and do the heavy lifting. He said he didn't want to play games. I told him its not a game, its just how it works.

He seemed receptive to what I had to say, but he's 22 so you know...youth being wasted on the young and all. I hope it works out for him. When he left he had a smile on his face and felt better, I think he just wanted someone to talk to about it.
 

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Warrior74 said:
He seemed receptive to what I had to say, but he's 22 so you know...youth being wasted on the young and all. I hope it works out for him. When he left he had a smile on his face and felt better, I think he just wanted someone to talk to about it.
Good mission, Warrior.

At his age,22, he has a good chance of changing his ways and his beliefs.

I often have similar talks with much older guys who just refuse to accept that their relationship misery is caused by their defective belief system.
"Happy wife, happy life " is still the middle-aged mantra .
Pulling their heads out of their azz is hard and dirty labor.
 

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I'm trying to remember when I was 22 and I still think this guy will need to get shat on a few more times before he believes what you told him.

I've told dozens of young guys about being the prize and asserting themselves but I think they're still brainwashed by society's 'treat women nicely' mantra.

I know I was until I hit 25 and then realised being nice to girls basically meant I 'ended up sitting at home on a Friday night masturbating and using my tears as lubricant'.

Ha ha, I heard that one from a footy mate the other night. Cracked me up.
 

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Whenever I can, I put this SS stuff out there....

Sad thing is that I can't force the kids to put it into play...

I can only tell them once and HOPE it takes....

At least I feel better knowing that I try.....

When I was in my twenties the LAST thing I wanted was a relationship.....

I was partying and the chicks where on a revolving door policy.....

The only things I would have done differently would be to build myself more physically, financially, and figure out pick-up techniques sooner.....

However that was WAY before any of this sh!t was even conceived.....

I have hope that with a little nudge (from men like us at SS) young men today can see the light early and run the system instead of having the system run over them....

Over and Out.
 

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Warrior74 said:
this girl had a history of dating abusive *******s, he would show her he was different by being nice to her.
This right here says it all. If all the guys this girl has fallen for have been "abusive *******s", by showing that he's "different" and "nice", he's establishing himself as completely different than what she's been proven to be attracted to.

Women with a history of abusive relationships will start to pattern future encounters after that, and they will EXPECT a certain level of abuse. If you don't provide it, they almost think you don't CARE. And if you hang around long enough, they will find ways to start to get inside your head and MAKE you WANT to be abusive to her.

The trick with women like this, assuming that you WANT to waste time with a girl who's been damaged by "bad" exes (because we all know that it couldn't be HER :rolleyes: ), is to be just enough of an arsehole to satisfy that pattern while slowly turning her around mentally, one degree at a time.
 

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this girl had a history of dating abusive *******s, he would show her he was different by being nice to her.
Remember back in high school when you took drivers ed? One of the skills that you have to learn is that when you're in a skid you must turn the wheel into the skid. We can be told to do this and answer this question on a drivers test, but when you're actually in the situation of skidding every part of your natural instincts tells you to slam on the breaks. This of course only makes things worse and the car spins out of control. It 'feels' counterintuitive to actually turn into the skid, but when we can get past this sense of what we think 'ought' to be the correct response we find that the car rights itself.

There are a lot of experiences we can relate this analogy to. Martial Arts, Sky Diving, really anything that we'd (probably realistically) find dangerous and/or counterproductive to our betterment. Yet with practice and experience we find that we can sublimate these instincts to the point where the confidence in our learned abilities to use these skills replaces the natural response to prefer security, and they then become our new default responses.

It's not easy to take risks you're not accustomed to. The AFC, Nice Guy default seems to be the path of least resistance and one that provides the most secure way to ensure you get to a woman's intimacy. This has been conditioned into us and reinforced over the better part of our lives. It seems logical; it seems like an effective way to, if not prevent rejection, then to lessen the impact of it, or else as a preventative measure to 'keep the peace'. This is false security, and although it seems counterintuitive, you must unlearn the idea that you "have to" slam on the brakes and learn to turn into the skid - you have to train yorself for this to be the default response.
 

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Warrior74 said:
I know I know, but why does it have to be that way? I asked him, why does the sun have to be so damn hot? It just is, either accept it or suffer like he's doing now. I told him about how I used to be like him when I was younger and what lessons I learned from my mistakes.
I've been asking this myself. Should we just play our parts and then die? Galileo changed the way the the world perceives the universe, so can a man change the way the world perceives courtship? Or just the perception of one woman? Can I be that man?
 

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Unplugging chumps from the Matrix is triagé. Save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying and move on to the next.
 

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Man, I wish someone would have talked to me about women when I was his age. Hopefully he will be receptive and be willing to learn.

Thanks for talking to him. :up:
 
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