Not 5 years ago...this stuff used to be fun...

I can't help but wonder what happened to me. How did I become such a woman-hating misogynist?

How am I supposed to have a CHANCE with "PU" if every time I see an attractive woman, I'm filled with as much disgust and revulsion as I am attraction?

That air-headed, self-centered, "look at how beautiful I am" attitude. That sense of entitlement she exudes just by virtue of being physically good looking. That, "entertain me, jester" way she looks at every guy who speaks to her.

They stand around at bars and parties and act anti-social, not talking to anyone except other "hot girls", or updating their FaceBook pages on their iPhones. And all the guys either sit and drool, or go up and dance like monkeys. I can't help but feel a little sick in my stomach when I'm hanging out with friends somewhere and suddenly their entire WORLD stops when a couple of pretty faces show up on the scene.

The act of talking to women in itself makes me feel like such a tool. I feel as though REAL men would not even give these women the time of day...they've done nothing to deserve it except "looking good".

It used to be that "talking to women" was a fun and rewarding thing...women were more fun and less full of themselves...hell, many of them even had personalities and things going on in their lives.

Have they "changed", or have I?

Are any of you guys still "talking to women"? Or are you all struggling with relationships and drama?

I guess what I'm trying to find is a POSITIVE idea with respect to dealing with the so-called "fairer sex". So tell me...what IS it that you LOVE about talking to/being with women?

And not just the whole "getting my d!ck wet" thing. If that's all it is, I'll be deeply disappointed.

Five years seems about right to me too. I would say I agree with you. Women have gotten worse over the half of decade without a doubt. Not quite the women hater yet, but I see a lot of undesirable behavior that I simply will not tolerate these days.

Totally feeling this right now, too. There definitely is some fallout to becoming a DJ and being wise to the world. It was a lot easier to 'hook up' when I had no clue what web they were weaving for me. Now I'm just too apprehensive and defensive about women to put out much effort.

Guess I will have to head down south again, as always, to try to regain some respect for women in general and find a few that still know now to behave like a lady.

I can relate, except I don't consider myself blaming women, perse...however, I've found I just can't relate to any of them. I lose interest very quickly, and am out of place in our current times. I've recently gone through a cleansing of all my plates, now I'm spinning none. Haha

For me it's a little different. I'll meet a gal and soon after, she for some reason, I view her as an adversary. An enemy trying to take my freedom away. Then I bail on her. I know this is a problem for me, but I have yet to find a solution.

I just can't get onboard with technology, myspace, facebook, tweeting, texting...it's information overload, and I just toss it all overboard with a lack of caring.

Here's the POSITIVE though, you have control over how you view life, women, etc....each woman is different, even small differences.

Think of it as rebooting a computer. Meet a gal, oh...she's a look at me myspacer...next. Reboot.

Just enjoy women but don't let them affect your happiness, in general.

Your post reminds me of a spanish class I took awhile back. The teacher, an older gal, but still very feminine and beautiful, from Peru. She had an aura about her that draws a man in. I couldn't even describe it.

Another gal I've known for a few years, same thing. She would melt into my arms like butter, and I'd lead the dance from there.

Few and far between, but you've got to look to find them. Don't worry about quantity...but always keep an eye out for quality. Be aware and don't close that door, ever, because that the passion, in life. Just not knowing, what's around the bend. You can follow the masses and dance like a monkey to entertain, or you can sit back, scan the horizon, and pick a direction and lead.

steve38 said:

Totally feeling this right now, too. There definitely is some fallout to becoming a DJ and being wise to the world. It was a lot easier to 'hook up' when I had no clue what web they were weaving for me. Now I'm just too apprehensive and defensive about women to put out much effort.

Guess I will have to head down south again, as always, to try to regain some respect for women in general and find a few that still know now to behave like a lady.

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Not sure what you expect to find here in the south? They are bad here too!!! The younger men on here cannot relate with this like us older gents. I remember when women had some class, did not talk as filthy as I do and were fairly decent showing gratitude.

I have to admit that I really have not been sarging much at all because of the different array of BP disorder women, the princess mentality women and the worst of the rest.

When you get older it really starts becoming apparent what is out there and it is not good! When I see a guy with a good looking woman these days, I ask myself, " I wonder what kind of crap he is putting up with?" Damn shame it has gotten that bad.

The south is no better!!!

OXIDE, you are correct, they are out there, but few far in between. I guess it is why I am as picky as ever now. I will not put up with anything less than what I desire.

I confess that it really has cut into my social life because of it though. I am not willing to go through 99 to find 100 the right one. If the right one come along, great, but I will not sacrifice digging through the hay looking for the needle. Which I guess is a good thing since by doing it I will not have the needy aura.

Oxide, I hear you...but honestly, I'm not much of a "museum/library person" myself. I mean, I read books, but usually on others' recommendations or on topics that seem interesting. I don't go to libraries. And museums...most art bores the hell out of me. When I was in CA, this girl and I went to some art museum...I was dying of boredom by the end. The only thing that I found remotely interesting were these origami displays that they had.

I don't want some woman who's "intellectual". I want one who's fun, but "clever". If that makes sense. Someone who can think or kick out some insight once in a while, but isn't too smart to act like a goof once in a while. I wield my intelligence like it was a child's plaything.

I love nothing more than going to a museum. i'm like a freaking kid in a candy store.

it's the first thing i look for when i go to a new city.

i can read about and watch things on history all day, 24/7.

the last thing i want to do when i'm starring history in the face is talk to a broad.

backbreaker said:

I love nothing more than going to a museum. i'm like a freaking kid in a candy store.

it's the first thing i look for when i go to a new city.

i can read about and watch things on history all day, 24/7.

the last thing i want to do when i'm starring history in the face is talk to a broad.

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Oh, I love watching sh*t like History Channel. Battles BC, Engineering an Empire, Cities of the Underworld, that kind of stuff.

Discovery gets on my nerves...they'll put the "intellectual", interesting shows on one channel, but as soon as people start watching it, they start replacing the show with typical drama nonsense. The channel gets ruined, people stop watching, and they start a new one. They boned TLC by turning it gay. Animal Planet used to be good, but then it turned to animal cop/animal psychic shows. History Channel shows way too much PawnStars and American Pickers (although Pawn Stars IS interesting, at least for now).

Maybe I should slip into DC more often. I went to the Spy Museum when it opened. It was interesting...but it IS something I'd like to be able to have some company to discuss. Not necessarily a woman, but if I could find a girl who would actually have SOME interest/level of fascination, even if she didn't fully understand it...that would be something else.

squirrels said:

I can't help but wonder what happened to me. How did I become such a woman-hating misogynist?

How am I supposed to have a CHANCE with "PU" if every time I see an attractive woman, I'm filled with as much disgust and revulsion as I am attraction?

That air-headed, self-centered, "look at how beautiful I am" attitude. That sense of entitlement she exudes just by virtue of being physically good looking. That, "entertain me, jester" way she looks at every guy who speaks to her.

They stand around at bars and parties and act anti-social, not talking to anyone except other "hot girls", or updating their FaceBook pages on their iPhones. And all the guys either sit and drool, or go up and dance like monkeys. I can't help but feel a little sick in my stomach when I'm hanging out with friends somewhere and suddenly their entire WORLD stops when a couple of pretty faces show up on the scene.

The act of talking to women in itself makes me feel like such a tool. I feel as though REAL men would not even give these women the time of day...they've done nothing to deserve it except "looking good".

It used to be that "talking to women" was a fun and rewarding thing...women were more fun and less full of themselves...hell, many of them even had personalities and things going on in their lives.

Have they "changed", or have I?

Are any of you guys still "talking to women"? Or are you all struggling with relationships and drama?

I guess what I'm trying to find is a POSITIVE idea with respect to dealing with the so-called "fairer sex". So tell me...what IS it that you LOVE about talking to/being with women?

And not just the whole "getting my d!ck wet" thing. If that's all it is, I'll be deeply disappointed.

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It helps taking a break from bars & clubs for a while. And spend some time building a social circle of hot girls to go out with, you'll see the other side of the coin. Lots of them only act this way off the bat a a huge filter when deep down they're not like that at all. It's all just a *****y slutty facade.

A solid way for breaking through that is to simply qualify them early with a splash of ****y funny. For example, after hooking the set I'd drop something like "You're cute, and in the past I'd probably <insert ****y funny line that frames you as the prize>, but I don't know a thing about you." Something as basic as that line puts ALL of the weight on them to buck up and qualify themselves. FYI, it's a less harsh version of Mystery's line "what do you have going for you besides your looks?"

squirrels said:

I can't help but wonder what happened to me. How did I become such a woman-hating misogynist?

How am I supposed to have a CHANCE with "PU" if every time I see an attractive woman, I'm filled with as much disgust and revulsion as I am attraction?

That air-headed, self-centered, "look at how beautiful I am" attitude. That sense of entitlement she exudes just by virtue of being physically good looking. That, "entertain me, jester" way she looks at every guy who speaks to her.

They stand around at bars and parties and act anti-social, not talking to anyone except other "hot girls", or updating their FaceBook pages on their iPhones. And all the guys either sit and drool, or go up and dance like monkeys. I can't help but feel a little sick in my stomach when I'm hanging out with friends somewhere and suddenly their entire WORLD stops when a couple of pretty faces show up on the scene.

The act of talking to women in itself makes me feel like such a tool. I feel as though REAL men would not even give these women the time of day...they've done nothing to deserve it except "looking good".

It used to be that "talking to women" was a fun and rewarding thing...women were more fun and less full of themselves...hell, many of them even had personalities and things going on in their lives.

Have they "changed", or have I?

Are any of you guys still "talking to women"? Or are you all struggling with relationships and drama?

I guess what I'm trying to find is a POSITIVE idea with respect to dealing with the so-called "fairer sex". So tell me...what IS it that you LOVE about talking to/being with women?

And not just the whole "getting my d!ck wet" thing. If that's all it is, I'll be deeply disappointed.

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It helps taking a break from bars & clubs for a while. And spend some time building a social circle of hot girls to go out with, you'll see the other side of the coin. Lots of them only act this way off the bat a a huge filter when deep down they're not like that at all. It's all just a b*tchy slutty facade.

A solid way for breaking through that is to simply qualify them early with a splash of ****y funny. For example, follow this flow: break rapport, build a tiny bit of comfort, qualify them. If they jump through the hoop of qualify themselves to you then reward them with some kino or something. An example of something I use after hooking the set I drop a version of "You're cute, and in the past I'd have gotten your number and be making out with you in the bushes by now, but I'm older and wiser now, not to mention I don't know a thing about you." Something as basic as that line puts ALL of the weight on them to buck up and qualify themselves. FYI, it's a less harsh version of Mystery's line "what do you have going for you besides your looks?"

Honestly, kind of realized this in the last 2 years.. if something is wrong, it is probably you.

Have to admit, I get occasional flashes of thinking like that.

But then I remember the "hot-crazy scale" and go for the cute girls (say about 7 - 8) instead.

At least, they usually do have something going for them other than their looks.

I can't help but wonder what happened to me. How did I become such a woman-hating misogynist?

How am I supposed to have a CHANCE with "PU" if every time I see an attractive woman, I'm filled with as much disgust and revulsion as I am attraction?

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Perhaps you should leave the Mature Man Forum for awhile? From hanging around this board for awhile and consistently hearing how women are "insert negative theory here" all of this kills your inner game, potentially makes you start to hate women, and could destroy all or MOST of ANY trust you could ever have with a woman.

Also, seeing as though you admitted that you were also "attracted to these women," why did you not attempt to break down their walls and chat with them? This doesn't make any sense, you are in one way putting the girls down saying they have nothing else going on for them but their looks, then on the other hand you are saying you are attracted to them? So if the girls are so shallow and have nothing else going on for them but their looks, why are you attracted to them? Wouldn't that make you shallow to?

Why are you in a club/bar spending alot of your time staring at girls across the room playing with their I-phones and watching how guys are responding to them? Do you not have a life? Did you seriously come in the bar to sit there and watch the room? Please drop your theories, drop your insecurities, and get up and start some conversations. Meet new people. It's ALL in your head dude.

Also you want positive insights on women from the Mature Man Forum? LOL, that was a joke right?

I am not sure if the Mature Man Forum is a valid place to come for positive insights on women any longer. I am not even sure if the main contributors are even still "in the field." This section is becoming full of keyboard jockey theories but instead of the "here's how you get women" KBJs, you have "here's what's wrong with women" KBJs. Same KBJ, just a different focus. Still a guy posting countless threads about shyt he knows nothing about lol.

Don't get me wrong, I think we should continue to have discussions into the insights on women and feminism, however, I think there's a fine line between a "discussion" and a "bashing" session.

Furthermore, being around a group of guys (Mature Men Forum contributors) that make it "ok" to view women in a negative light, KILLS any incentive to improve.

Why would you continue to improve yourself to identify a suitable mate or continue to search for one, if you are going to "settle" for the "groupthink" of this section of the forum that women are (insert negative **** here)? Accepting these mindsets, gives you no incentive to self improve or seek better women because you are now accepting the "theories" of this forum that women are (insert negative **** here) lol.

I know MANY women where I can have great sex with AND have a GREAT conversation about politics, business, history, ANY TOPIC. This notion that most women are dumb and have nothing else to contribute but a.ss is stupid and just shows the type of women YOU might be approaching, which mainly shines the light on YOU, not the entire f'in other GENDER.

It's all about WHO you approach.

If you are still having issues finding a fulfilling relationship with a woman, IT'S YOU that's the problem because YOU are the only CONSTANT in all of those failures. Change your environment, change your approach, change who you approach, change your mindset.

The Message Boy said:

Change your environment

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This is huge. I'd do some traveling outside of the USA to get a new perspective on women.

This is what your going through

"American women specifically and Western women in general have problems that turn men off:

Western women want men to serve THEM most of the time but are unwilling to put in the effort or TIME to make it an intelligent partnership.
Western women are coarse, vulgar, rude, or distinctly lack femininity.
Western women are argumentative, critical, and demanding (i.e. *****y).
Western women are money-hungry and superficial.
Western women are generally mentally unstable.
Western women use sex as a weapon and reward to get things.
Western women are just bitter and show contempt for men."

This is what you want

"Most of non-Western women in Latin America, Asia, and Eastern Europe are the exact opposite of Western women.
Non-Western women do not have anti-male bias and they are not pre-occupied with fairness and trying to prove themselves and to make a point.
Non-Western women are not self-centered and do not have high-maintenance, superficial, and stuck up attitude.
Non-Western women are a lot more mentally stable and they do not use sex as a weapon and reward to get things."

Check out

http://www.singleabroad.com/women.html
http://www.singleabroad.com/

squirrels said:

Have they "changed", or have I?

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You have.

So tell me...what IS it that you LOVE about talking to/being with women?

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Getting them smiling and laughing. If you believe all women are horrid wenches with only shallow selfishness on the inside, that's all you'll find.

However, if you believe (as I do) that somewhere, inside everybody is something worth exploring, some unique outlook on life, some interesting point of view, an interesting mental strategy for doing something, then it's fun to go looking for it.

It doesn't mean you want to fukk them, or date them, or even talk to them for more than a few minutes.

But believe me, somewhere under all that bullshyt on top, is treasure of some sort.

And simply by trying to find it, (successfully or not) you come away better for it.

And I don't mean finding it to show her, and prove to her what a man you are, or to your buddies at what awesome game you have, but simply to enjoy it for your own selfish purposes.

More often than not, simply by genuinely looking for it, and appreciating it, you will make her feel more special than any guy ever has.

Once again, you don't have to date her, or fukk her, or even ask for her name, just find her treasure, enjoy it, and split.

If you get hung up along the way, that's on you, not her.

If you can't dig deep enough to find the treasure, don't blame the earth, or complain it doesn't exist, or that you should be digging somewhere else where the earth is softer and free from roots.

Blame your digging skills, and improve them.

If you look for treasure, you will find it.

But if you look for horrid selfishness, you will find that too.

It's all up to you. Only you.

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You have.



Getting them smiling and laughing. If you believe all women are horrid wenches with only shallow selfishness on the inside, that's all you'll find.

However, if you believe (as I do) that somewhere, inside everybody is something worth exploring, some unique outlook on life, some interesting point of view, an interesting mental strategy for doing something, then it's fun to go looking for it.

It doesn't mean you want to fukk them, or date them, or even talk to them for more than a few minutes.

But believe me, somewhere under all that bullshyt on top, is treasure of some sort.

And simply by trying to find it, (successfully or not) you come away better for it.

And I don't mean finding it to show her, and prove to her what a man you are, or to your buddies at what awesome game you have, but simply to enjoy it for your own selfish purposes.

More often than not, simply by genuinely looking for it, and appreciating it, you will make her feel more special than any guy ever has.

Once again, you don't have to date her, or fukk her, or even ask for her name, just find her treasure, enjoy it, and split.

If you get hung up along the way, that's on you, not her.

If you can't dig deep enough to find the treasure, don't blame the earth, or complain it doesn't exist, or that you should be digging somewhere else where the earth is softer and free from roots.

Blame your digging skills, and improve them.

If you look for treasure, you will find it.

But if you look for horrid selfishness, you will find that too.

It's all up to you. Only you.

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I love your posts taiyuu, you put it so well.

I remember hearing this one from a successful person - "You are exactly where you want to be" So change where you want to be and who you want to be with, I know it is hard and scary, but once you get there, and look back and go "wow, how awesome is THIS now!" then you know you are at a better place.

You know how they say a good woman makes you want to be a better man. FOr the first time in my life I've experienced this recently, it was a great feeling, even if a bit scary. I hope you can find this for yourself.

Substitute 'p*ssy' for 'treasure' in Taiyuu's post and it makes perfect sense.

With all due respect I don't buy the idea that every woman out there has a 'treasure' worth discovering, unless we're talking about that little hair pie between her legs. Most women aren't worth ****.

Of course some of them aren't so bad, so look for those. But don't think you're going to find something special in all of them, because you won't and to think otherwise is to cross the boundary into willful delusion.

I know you guys might think that many posters in this forum are being too pessimistic but IMHO pessimism and realism aren't that far apart.

By the way Squirrels I made a thread recently which I think is relevant to your post. It basically asked the question 'Would you bother with women if it wasn't for sex?'. Many of the people replying clearly had trouble with reading comprehension and wrote stuff like 'What, I like women 'cos I want to get laid', even though I had specifically excluded anything to do with sex from the question, in fact that was the whole point of the question! But basically nobody really came up with any decent reason to bother with women other than sex.

I'd also like to say that this whole women are only bad in America idea is pretty misguided, although understandable. I've lived around and while American women may be the worst, unfortunately they are generally pretty bad everywhere.

Miles28 said:

Substitute 'p*ssy' for 'treasure' in Taiyuu's post and it makes perfect sense.

With all due respect I don't buy the idea that every woman out there has a 'treasure' worth discovering, unless we're talking about that little hair pie between her legs. Most women aren't worth ****.

Of course some of them aren't so bad, so look for those. But don't think you're going to find something special in all of them, because you won't and to think otherwise is to cross the boundary into willful delusion.

I know you guys might think that many posters in this forum are being too pessimistic but IMHO pessimism and realism aren't that far apart.

By the way Squirrels I made a thread recently which I think is relevant to your post. It basically asked the question 'Would you bother with women if it wasn't for sex?'. Many of the people replying clearly had trouble with reading comprehension and wrote stuff like 'What, I like women 'cos I want to get laid', even though I had specifically excluded anything to do with sex from the question, in fact that was the whole point of the question! But basically nobody really came up with any decent reason to bother with women other than sex.

I'd also like to say that this whole women are only bad in America idea is pretty misguided, although understandable. I've lived around and while American women may be the worst, unfortunately they are generally pretty bad everywhere.

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I kind of figured that the "quality of foreign women" was somewhat exaggerated. I'm willing to believe that the "Western attitude" isn't so prevalent, but I know a "grass is greener" spiel when I hear one.

That's kind of how I feel...there are very few women I'd spend time with if it weren't to hook up. And I'm honestly willing to believe that most women feel the same way about most men. But it's hard to find a woman who's HONEST about it.

If I could reasonably afford high-end prostitutes, I wouldn't hesitate.

With age and maturity, a healthy cynicism towards women is normal if you have a brain. Ignorance is not bliss in this case.


Modern relationships are a minefield. We've lost sight of what is important and have tossed out integrity and character and replaced it with self centeredness and ego boosting.

Men and women are equally guilty of distorting the dynamics for a successful relationship.

Men surrendered their leadership when they got hooked on pvssy during the sexual revolution of the 60's. Women realized the power of their pvssy and used it to their advantage to get what they think they want. This is where they developed their sense of entitlement.

Both genders are in a stunted growth pattern and a battle between the sexes has developed. Pvssy is going to the highest bidder. Personally, I think it's over priced.

The age of narcissism has taken over.

The way for a man to avoid falling into the trap is to totally have faith in himself. Putting a woman on a pedestal is a surefire way to surrender any emotional freedom you have. We talk about us being the prize but a lot of it is mostly talk. You have to believe that you are the prize and not just think it. When you firmly believe it, you are a free man.

There are still some good women out there but you won't find them in a bar or at a strip club. When you're sick of chasing pvssy for pvssy's sake you will have to change your parameters of what you're looking for and what you're attracted to.

In my case, I'm now attracted to modest women with good character who knows what it means to be a lady. Now, to the question:


"Are any of you guys still "talking to women"? Or are you all struggling with relationships and drama?"


I still talk and flirt with women all the time. I have a dry and sarcastic sense of humor and use it to bust their balls. I have no fear of what they think because I finally firmly believe that I'm the prize. I realize I'm right by the responses that I get.

I have no tolerance for drama and will not accept any.


Cheers!