My "game" in a nutshell (not your typical "method")

bukowski_merit

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For the most part – I have two pickup resources:

  1. Work – I work in a call center. 80% of the employees where I work are collectors. Collectors have quotas. A lot of collectors can’t meet those quotas = A lot of collectors get fired. So, there’s a steady stream of faces, bodies, and breasts in and out... In the last 4 years – roughly 600 women have passed through the doors where I work. Only about 60 of them have been worth talking to – but I talk to them all. =)
  2. Social Circle – I have very few real friends, but a pretty full phone book. Women and men alike, who like to go out and like to have fun (not surprisingly – I’ve worked with most of them). I love going out with certain female friends because they always bring 6-7 other women with them. Gaming those women is beyond easy! Especially if they’ve gotten “warnings” about me and my womanizing ways.



#1 thing that gets me women - Sexuality
I’m EXTREMELY SEXUAL. Example from this week. A new woman was back in my area at work. She was sending me “vibes” that I was picking up. It started off as playful flirting. But I escalate quick(strike while the iron is hot!) I do not hide my desire to fvck! Somewhere in the conversation she said something like “I bet you wish I was back here to keep you company all the time, don’t you?” and I responded, “only if the whole place was empty so no one could hear your loud moans”. She d@mn near passed out in disbelief that I would say that!

We went deeper and deeper into sexual conversation. I told her about how a lot of times when I fvck a woman all night my abs hurt for days and im useless then. She said “well, why don’t you just do it once then instead of a bunch of times?”. I didn’t answer her question, I just asked her, “So you’d rather have once a night with me all week? Or you’d rather have all night with me once a week?” She said “both” with a sly @ss smile, but that’s irrelevant. It’s the way I phrased it to her. By the end she said, “im glad im leaving, you got me not able to think straight.” And this is nothing new! Women are not used to men who can turn them on so fast.

Some of you are familiar with the phrase “push-pull” and I do that with sexual talks. I lay it on, then in the next sentence – I’ll switch the subject to something a lot less interesting. What this does is keeps the sexual tension from peaking and collapsing. So I might talk for 5 minutes in a sexual way, then go 5 minutes talking about how she likes her job, then I’ll wait for her to set me up to move back into sexual talks, then once it hits it’s peak, I’ll bring it back down to some celebrity gossip or anything really (it’s irrelevant; it’s just filler until we get back to the sex talk)



#2 thing that gets me women – Comfort
This one is hard to explain, but basically – I can talk to a woman for 30 minutes and have her comfortable enough to tell me just about anything. This is the one gift I have from my nice guy days, because I am an incredible listener. I wish I could explain it more, but I can’t really. I would have to observe people and tell them what they’re doing wrong, but I often just let people talk and lead them into going deeper and deeper with me. And I never judge anything they say; instead I relate to it.



#3 thing that gets me women – My reputation (=curiosity)
I’ve seen some guys say “you don’t want the reputation of being a player/womanizer” on here and other boards. I think I would AGREE but only if you’re a good looking, successful man. Me? I pull a rating of about 4.5-5 on pic rating sites. NEVER in my life heard myself referred to as hot (although I get plenty of cute and handsome). I have an oval face, fat cheeks, skinny body, receding hair line, suffer from mild adult acne, and have an ugly scar on my neck. I do have a very nice “Fight Club/MMA” body, but I weigh 160 so NO ONE can tell I have a nice body unless im walking around with my shirt off. I also dress nice. But that does not make me HOT. Yet, I regularly get women’s interest; good looking women with incredible bodies.

And part of it is a cycle caused by my reputation as a womanizer and women’s curiosity. Curiosity? Yep, they wonder how a man like me (average looks, less than average income) can keep so many women in my life and have such a reputation. I’ve had women tell me that part of their attraction to me was being curious about just this. “I just wondered how you had all these women chasing after you. I thought you had a big d!ck or something.”

Do I? Nope.



#4 Poetry
I will perhaps post one of my poems in this thread at a later date. It’s not really sappy normal poetry. It’s not even rhyming poetry. In fact – a lot of it would be prose (stories structured in poetry form). Guess what most of my poems are about? Sex and women. I like to consider my poetry “alpha poetry”. It helps women get interested in me. I’ve also used it to gauge women’s intelligence. Most women who don’t get my poetry – are quickly NEXTed; I’ve come to learn it normally says something about our compatibility. On the flip side of that – I’ve seen women tear up reading my stuff, and that’s when I know they get it and then I give it.

This poet persona I have lets me get away with not being extremely active (“im a writer baby, I drink and write in most of my freetime”). Most dates I have with women take place in my apartment (I’ll get to this later). I’m pretty reclusive.



#5 I entertain
Because most of my dates take place at my house, and because I’m reclusive - I become the show! There’s only so much you can do in your house. I have to be charming, I have to have wit, I have to lead. I teach women how to play games; I cook; or we just talk for hours – letting the tension build. Something I never do? Watch movies or anything that takes the focus off us.

“Oh you don’t know how to play blackjack? I’m going to teach you, it’s easy.”

You don’t know how much fun you can have teaching a woman something. Normally, they’re a little slow at picking up stuff and ask stupid questions; so, it’s quite easy to tease and neg them.

Bottom line – when they’re in my apartment – they are getting a show. I am a performer, and they are too (in their own way) and when the show is good – everything else falls into place.



#6 sex…
This is how I believe im able to keep so many women. A woman can probably have more fun out at a bar with her girlfriends gossiping and getting hit on than she can sitting around with me. But what she can’t get from them is AMAZING sex.

I’ve theorized on here that Sex can be used as social status and can stand toe to toe with money and looks. I believe this 100%! And so much of what I do in life is based on being able to provide sex.

- I run two miles 4 times a week and play basketball regularly so that I don’t run out of breath easy.
- I eat a lot of sexual health foods. Blueberries, broccoli, watermelon, whole foods instead of processed, etc.
- I keep my weight down! When I get up to 180-190 – there’s a lot of things that hurt a woman that don’t hurt her when im 160.
- I take test boasters, eat lots of meats, lift heavy weights, and play contact sports whenever possible (including backyard boxing) – this keeps my testosterone up, which helps me go and go again and go again and go again…
- Finally, I write erotic stories…. Not to show to the world, but simply to keep my imagination in sex mode, and keep my brain as horny as my body…

I see a lot of guys talking about “amazing” sex with women. I always wonder if their amazing sex is the same as mine. Mine is when you make the woman not know if she’s cuming or going. You make her legs shake. You go 3-4 times and then pass out after she can’t take anymore.

A quick note on sex drive and amazing sex: If the woman has low sex drive (LSD) – there’s very little chance she can experience amazing sex with you. These women can normally only go 20 minutes, and normally aren’t very easy to turn on.



#7 Other stuff…
- I lead and lead and lead and lead some more.
- I RARELY contact women. I let them contact me.
- I do a lot of email/facebook/text game (that’s not supposed to work though Is it? Lol)
- I never lie about there being other women in my life, but I won’t go into too many details about them.
- I am available whenever im available! Meaning – some guys on here say to not be too available. My rule is: If you want to come over, text or call me and ask if you can… 90% of the time – im not doing anything, so when they ask – I tell them to come on over. If she’s been coming around too much and it’s affecting our relationship – THEN I will pull back, but no reason to do that when it’s going good.
- I do not have exclusive GFs. I have FBs and MLTRs (which is essentially more than one GF).
- I am romantic! And it works for me. Except I lay on the romance early on, but have learned that it loses it’s effect as the relationship progresses – so I pull it back after 5-6 months and only give it to her when she deserves it.
- I LIVE BY: Punish bad behavior, reward good behavior.
- I LIVE BY: The person who cares less controls the relationship.
- I RARELY let a woman seeing another man or trying to bring jealousy into a relationship effect me.
- Sometimes a woman wants a spanking! Sometimes anger and hardcore punishment is what a woman needs. It took me many years of trying to be the rock to realize this…. Sometimes nothing will turn a woman on more than you yelling at her. It’s just figuring out when is the best time versus when you should be a rock.
- I refuse to chase. I will approach, I will show interest. But I will not play the “if you want me – chase me” game.
- I let them come and go. Often times they stop back in between boyfriends.
- If im no longer enjoying what a woman brings to the table – it’s “on to the next one”.
That’s about it.
 

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The point of me posting this is not for you to follow. In fact, i had to make sure the post was under 10,000 characters so i left out A LOT of information. And i don't imagine that most people can get away with doing a lot of the crap i do.

The point of this is that - i do a lot of things that aren't really common things. Instead of following a method - i do things that are congruent with who i am as a person.

I was this same person 10 years ago when i was an AFC nice guy. But i just have a lot more knowledge now, and KNOW how to use my persona to get results with women.

I've read 70-100 pickup books (which includes sex, evolutionary psychology, NLP, and relationship books). I pick and chose what i accept, and what works for me in each book i read. If i read something on how to be a jerk - instead of doing what the book does - i'll try and figure out why what they're talking about may work, and i'll try to figure out if there's a way i can use that to my advantage.

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In the end - i am a pretty decent guy with women, i don't treat them too bad, i do good things when it's deserved. But - im never a pushover; im never a sure thing; and i never let them know where they stand with me...

Maybe you can take something from what i do and apply it to your own game. Maybe you can't.... But hopefully - you can figure out more ways to make yourself your game.

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I really like the way you've written this - it's a very reader-friendly arrangement.
The content itself was great; I related on many, many points.

What stood out to me most was that for you to get such incredible output you're putting in a lot of input and people don't understand that the snowball effect won't start by reading on a forum.

Getting a job has got to be one of the best ways to start this up.
Also money :).
Edit: I'm not going to try give you any advice on improving it because you're clearly older and more experienced than me, so thanks for a look in to your life.
 

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I’m EXTREMELY SEXUAL. Example from this week. A new woman was back in my area at work.
Being EXTREMELY SEXUAL at work can be risky though. If you get with the wrong woman, she can slap that sexual harassment charge on you. I've seen womanizing guys at work who have gotten away with it, but I've also seen it cost some guys their job. I don't want to lose my job, so I try to keep it toned down at work, even though yeah what fun is that?

This is the one gift I have from my nice guy days, because I am an incredible listener
I could see that would be a great skill to have. When I get a girl talking and opening up, a lot of the time I will get bored or get antsy to go do something else :)

I’ve seen some guys say “you don’t want the reputation of being a player/womanizer” on here and other boards. I think I would AGREE but only if you’re a good looking, successful man. Me? I pull a rating of about 4.5-5 on pic rating sites.
I've definitely known some not so good looking guys with big womanizing reputations. I agree with you, it attracts them attention. It gives them an aura of mystery or something. Also, women who like to screw around (married or otherwise), will be on them like moths on a lightbulb, because they know where they can go to get what they want.

I RARELY contact women. I let them contact me. I do a lot of email/facebook/text game (that’s not supposed to work though Is it? Lol)
I think guys who object to texting and such are just guys who aren't comfortable with the new technology.
When you say you let them contact you though, how does that work exactly? Obviously you give them your email address or something. Do you ask to trade numbers so you can text? Then wait until they text you? Or are you saying they ask for YOUR number?
 

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Pure gold.

People should focus on these core things instead of focusing on structure of the game and tiny little things that in fact are irrelevant to the game.

This is what the game is about. Crazy lifestyle, high value perception for yourself and abundance with ladies.

Edit1: Whenever i read an inspiring post like this, i immediately become interested on posters background, starting point, history. I always want to know how successful people started, what drove them and how they evolved. So Bukowski, provide us with some details.

DTP
 
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zekko said:
Being EXTREMELY SEXUAL at work can be risky though. If you get with the wrong woman, she can slap that sexual harassment charge on you. I've seen womanizing guys at work who have gotten away with it, but I've also seen it cost some guys their job. I don't want to lose my job, so I try to keep it toned down at work, even though yeah what fun is that?
This is the advantage of being good in the field.You know when its on. You know who you can bombard with sexual energy and who you cannot. Thats why i always preach on hitting the field as hard as you can, get burned million times because this is the only way you will get that high social calibration, when you know what kind of game to launch on what girl, what you cant get away and what you can and many other things that average chumps cannot sense.
 

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I don't think I have seen 60 women combined in the 3 or so years I worked as an engineer. Add on that that it was corporate America, even saying something like , " There were less women in the classes I taught" actually got me in trouble....not even joking. What I wouldn't have killed for a job like what you described.

I have read your other posts. Your game is solid. A lot of people could benefit from reading this post alone.
 

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bukowski,

How to you integrate method #1 with #2? It seems that creating sexual tension and creating comfort are diametrically opposed to each other. Would you please explain further? Thanks.
 

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Thanks for the praise all. I spent the good part of a saturday afternoon typing this stuff out and it wasn't easy. I've never really analyzed what i do to get women, or put down any type of rule structure; it's always been in my head - existent off of experience. Typing it out was an experience in itself.

Anyway... To address some questions/comment.

zekko said:
Being EXTREMELY SEXUAL at work can be risky though. If you get with the wrong woman, she can slap that sexual harassment charge on you.
Daddy the Pimp pretty much is correct. I have NEVER had a woman tell me i was overstepping a line or get offended. Mainly because I'm NOT running Modeone game here (if you don't know what that is - it's basically a method where the guy bombards the woman with "i want to **** you right now" game.) .... I don't just come in with that kind of stuff... I build comfort first.... I drop a few subtle sexual innuendo comments to "test" the waters. Once she's doing it back with me - then it's on. If she doesn't - then i don't go further until she does (and some of them never do.) It's a tango =)

Something i didn't talk about that i meant to is how i use certain "long time flirting" partners at work (pivots maybe is the term in the community). These are mostly women who have been where i work as long as me; know my rep; and are good flirts. I have 7 of them currently. I ALWAYS flirt with these women and they flirt back. No boundaries exist between us. I haven't slept with any of them, and none of them are drop dead gorgeous. But women don't care.

If i have a target... I will try to make it a point to flirt HEAVILY with one of them in front of her. They will see the rapport and often laugh like "wow, i can't believe these two are talking like this to each other". All the while, im establishing social status.

Then, I will often start involving the target in the conversation and try to get a 3way conversation going.

What's funny is - i believe at least 2 of these flirting partners KNOW what im doing lol...



zekko said:
I could see that would be a great skill to have. When I get a girl talking and opening up, a lot of the time I will get bored or get antsy to go do something else :)
I can see how that would be an issue. I mean, i've had 3-4 hour conversations with women that go all over the place. I guess im genuinely interested in women's lives and what makes them tick. I can't say i've ever been bored talking to a woman who i was interested in...

Talking to a woman i wasn't interested in = mostly bored.
Talking to a man = sometimes bored.
Talking to a woman who i am interested in = never bored.

Just lead the conversation into a direction that's interesting to you if what she's bringing to it bores you.


zekko said:
When you say you let them contact you though, how does that work exactly? Obviously you give them your email address or something. Do you ask to trade numbers so you can text? Then wait until they text you? Or are you saying they ask for YOUR number?
To correct myself - i let them contact me once we've established some kind of relationship. Sexual or more. I DO however contact them before we've established a pattern of sexual activity with each other. Once that's achieved - i scale back my contact with them and let them pursue at their leisure.

Something i do with a lot of them is drop that i write poetry somewhere in our conversation, and lead them into asking me to read some. I then tell them i can send them a PDF of one of my books. I get their email then. This same technique is a way i can gauge their interest in me as well. I've sent women one of my books at 7pm on a monday night. And gotten a response back 2 hours later about how they read the whole thing and blahzay blah.... I KNOW a woman is very interested in me then...

But yes, once regular sex is established - they contact me... 90% of the time through text; most of the time to see if they can come over and "relax" with me...



Atom Smasher said:
How to you integrate method #1 with #2? It seems that creating sexual tension and creating comfort are diametrically opposed to each other. Would you please explain further? Thanks.
I i can see how one may think that they would compete with each other; but from my experience - they help each other.

Most women MUST feel comfort to have any kind of sexual conversation.

I don't want to sound too much like im spewing PUA theory here lol... But, establishing rapport, comfort, and getting compliance from her are 3 steps that i do before turning it sexual. Once i get those 3 checkmarks - i can then turn it sexual.



For example, in the story above (the one in "method #1") - i had previously had 3-4 other conversations with the woman (the first time it was her and one of my flirt buddies). I had only dropped subtle sexual comments to her in those 3-4 conversations. Each time i turned the temperature up a little more to see how she responded. Everytime, it was with more positive feedback. Learned about her life, shared a lot of mine, exchanged facebook info, teased each other, etc.

The 5th time we talked (the example above) I went ahead and turned the flame up as high as i could take it at work. The result = she melted =)




I WILL NOT always talk sex with her or any woman. That would get BORING....Here is an example of an email i sent to a woman last night on facebook (she is a past fling who has recently been contacting me even though our "end" was pretty ugly; as mostly all ends will eventually turn ugly.) No sexual talk at all! Yet, it will do more for me with this particular girl.

In her email that im responding to she told me i have sooo much potential and i just need to upgrade my life, get a house, ONE woman to settle down with, etc. I had told her i was going to the park with my 60 year old dad and he was going to beat me once again... she responded "let your daddy win" (the end won't make sense unless you know that)

My response:






"I'm feeling the alcohol right now (not drunk). Let's see how this turns out ha... I'm not against owning a house, but my house won't have a lot in it. The soul of a house is the life and laughter and love that is going on inside of it's walls, not the cludder of nicknacks and clothes pins under it's roof. - - -

Yeah, it's probably best that we're on and off. There was a time when the pace of our communication was so much, that if we had kept it up - we probably would know EVERYTHING X's 2 about each other, to the point there's nothing to share....

I've been around my friend, and i've learned that there comes a point where you have to let a woman set fire to whatever it is that she needs to set fire to. I don't mind bites on my neck, but claws in my heart aren't so pleasant... It's much more pleasant to hear your name whispered in the dark... Or even to watch children riding their bike in the park... I go to the park to do my pullups on the jungle gym.... Sometimes there's kids there riding their bikes... I watch them.... They normally wreck and start crying... A beautiful cry that wakes the world up... I saw my hero cry... He's dead now, but they had video of him, and he was reading poetry out of one of his books, and he accidently read a poem about his lost love, he said, "Jane, you brought it to me. When you take it away do it slowly and easily. Make it as if I were dying in my sleep instead of in my life, amen." And then he broke down and began to cry... Because he had lost her, not just to another man, but soon after to the casket itself.... There's no chance to confess hidden passion when the heart no longer pumps... Give it while you can!... - - -

Bet you didn't expect this me to show up for this party.... This is why i drink and write.... None of it would mean anything if it wasn't for the few real experiences i've had in my life... I'm writing a novel called "[title removed to preserve my privacy]" .... - - -

And i don't have to let me father win, he beats me on his own merit lol... Nothing to cry about... It's not like im falling off my bike or anything (Boom; tied the whole story together!)

I'm fvcking insane girl. And now... I'm asleep."







Her response was as it should be when someone can paint the picture for her to view and feel - very positive (in fact, she has a subtle hint in it that shes been "lonely" lately.)

This is the way i write to women from time to time (careful to not overdue it)... the story isn't about her; but just an example of how i connect with women through email (i don't really talk outloud like this lol that would be even too weird for me; i write like that though).

Do you think a woman can read something like that and not feel comfortable enough to open up to me?

I'm not afraid to let me soul bled. Some women don't get it... And i move on from them... Others are as good as mine 5 minutes into conversation #1.
 
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Daddy The Pimp said:
Edit1: Whenever i read an inspiring post like this, i immediately become interested on posters background, starting point, history. I always want to know how successful people started, what drove them and how they evolved. So Bukowski, provide us with some details.
Well.... not to go into too much detail, because i have to get my run in... I'll try to break it down...

I was horrible with women from 0-19. Accidently getting laid twice over that period from very ugly women. Then i found sites like this and others. And began hanging out with guys who could get women (although they were of the thug variety and had different game than i've ever seen taught) I get into the whole ONS thing. I live in a college town; where the girls were once rated some of the sluttiest girls in the country (im not bragging about that; simply an easy way to say they were "easy"). My boys and me did this for a good two years before i got burnt out from it (and luckily did not end up burnt lol). I have only done 2 ONS since; and one of them was with a good female friend and we were both drunk out of our mind.

After that i decided i wanted a girlfriend to settle down with. I went through 3 of them over a 4-5 years period. Each time, the same thing happened. Complacency, routineness, boredom, the end. BUT in this time, i learned how much better sex is when you are doing it regularly with the same person. Some people may disagree with that - but i got A LOT more out of sex when there was feelings involved.

I had been reading about MLTRs; which to me seemed to be advised by the wiser, older, more mature crowd of the Pick-up community. Franco, Joseph W South, Johnny Soporno, etc. I began reading their work. And then... went out and put it into practice... I do not really do full on MLTRs... Full MLTRs are is having many relationships with many women. I normally have what would seem on the outside like a real relationship with ONE woman. This women is the one i will say "i love you" to, i'll take to family functions, i'll treat like a girlfriend. But, we aren't Gf/Bf, and i have other FBs in my life.

Everything after that has been experience and adventure...

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How have a matured?

Well... My early posting history reveal s alot of threads like this:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=161843


I was called a troll multiple times. I was accused of lieing. People were legit mad at me. Why?

Because i had fvcked a girl while she was talking to her boyfriend on the phone....

Out of the 60 or so women i've had sex with - i'd say at least 20 of them have had boyfriend/fiances/husbands...

Where do i stand on this now?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1686306#post1686306



I still see some women who are taken... But i've reduced it by a lot...

I'm currently sleeping with 2 women. And gaming 4 more (all of whom i could fvck if i set it up; but with age comes a lack of capacity for so much sex lol). All but 1 of them is single, which is a step in the right direction for me. (a year ago, i was sleeping with 4 women and all were taken).

the one who isn't single - is one i've been with for 2.5 years now. We have a very strange, wild, relationship. Oh and, she's the same girl from the "fvcking me while on the phone with boyfriend" girl... =)

We joke all the time that if we ever end up in Vegas together - we better stay away from alcohol or we may end up with the same last name! And there's a lot of truth to that lil joke...


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but anyway, my running shoes are calling me.... hope this gives you "some" insight into my background.
 
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