Paternity fraud

Nutz · Jul 16, 2009

We all know how the alpha gets to bang the girl while the beta provides for her, but how many of you have consider the real world implications? Only reason I bring this up is because I heard a great version of this on War of the Roses this morning. A guy calls up and says his gf is pregnant. However, she doesn't know he had a vasectomy years before they met (and has since been verified to be shooting blanks).

So they call her up faking to be her doctors office to see who she wants as the alternate POC for her tests and she lists the guy who called. Then they break out of the ruse and confront her. She's immediately on the defensive talking about how she wants to see his paperwork, claims it doesn't make any sense, and was completely in denial about. Eventually she starts to slip and says, "well what if I was drugged?" WTF??? :crazy: Now the truth comes out, "well, what if you're so drunk you don't remember what happened the night before?" and so on. So she starts backpedaling about totally is avoiding the fact she cheated and is just illustrating how delusional women can be. In her case she found a great provider, she even said as much about he's doing really well for himself and so on. Basically it's just another iteration of what Tom Leykis used to preach about. Anyway, do you guys have any similar examples of this that may have happened to you or a friend/family member?

Personally, I've love it if they required paternity tests before issuing birth certificates. This kind of entrapment and paternity fraud would be a thing of the past.

STR8UP · Jul 16, 2009

Two words-

Read roissy

Nutz · Jul 17, 2009

Update:

Found a link to the clip:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18...SHINGTON-DC/KANE-IP/7-16-09 wotrs podcast.mp3

Paula: Blah blah blah f*ck you William.
William: Well, you're just going to have to look for child support somewhere else honey.
Paula: I AM NOT GONNA LOOK...oh my god! You are just such a jerk. You're doing well, you're totally successful, and you're doing this just to get back at me.
Host: For what?
Paula: I don't know. He's always been like that. I've been totally loyal to this man and now he makes up crazy stories. I don't believe a word he says. I want to see these papers blah blah blah.
Host: Let me ask a question. Why are you getting mad Paula?
Paula: Because he's lying, he wants to make me look bad. He want's to get out of paying for this child.

.... it goes on and on until finally she halfheartedly admits she might have gotten drunk and banged some other dude.

Here's the show's site if you want to listen to more eps:
http://hot995.kaneshow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=kane_roses.xml

PeeGee · Jul 17, 2009

Interesting argument about paternity test before birth certificates. Too bad our society frowns upon men who only want to raise their own children. It's not going to happen.

amoka · Jul 17, 2009

It is more fun when you listen to the audio.

SXS · Jul 17, 2009

Interesting argument about paternity test before birth certificates. Too bad our society frowns upon men who only want to raise their own children. It's not going to happen.

You can demand(and should) a test to see if it's your kid or not.

ketostix · Jul 17, 2009

PeeGee said:
Interesting argument about paternity test before birth certificates. Too bad our society frowns upon men who only want to raise their own children. It's not going to happen.

I think some states in the US albeit very few allow the male to dispute fatherhood and child support by paternity testing. I think my state is one of them. Be careful where you fvck I guess lol.

You can demand(and should) a test to see if it's your kid or not.

You can demand all you want but in most states in the US the father is whoever the mother says it is.

SXS · Jul 17, 2009

You can demand all you want but in most states in the US the father is whoever the mother says it is.

Really ? You don't have the right to a paternity test ? That's BEYOND ****ed up. Are you sure about this ?

STR8UP · Jul 17, 2009

'You're gonna be sorry because you are NOTHING without me!"

I would be willing to bet that even though this was a 1.5 yr. relationship, this was the FIRST time that he's ever seen this side of her.

Listen to this chick lie! To be THAT good at lying about such a serious matter. to sound THAT convincing....that requires sociopathic tendencies.

This whole conversation sounds eerily familiar to me. Never had anything THIS serious, but I've confronted women with their lies before and gotten the exact same cold, indignant reaction. It's scary when it's something as serious as paternity fraud.

Seriously, this is EXACTLY why female infidelity is WAAAAAY more serious than male infidelity.

This kind of sh!t should merit jail time.

PeeGee · Jul 17, 2009

SXS said:
Really ? You don't have the right to a paternity test ? That's BEYOND ****ed up. Are you sure about this ?

Really. A woman is not (always) a scientist. By law I think most people are laypersons, and so they should not be capable of knowing who the father of the child is.

When it's as typical as 'we've been committed partners' sure, but if there were nothing to worry about, what's the harm in confirmation?

By saying 'you don't trust me?' to a request for paternity test, shaming is being performed. Don't put up with that.

Jeffst1980 · Jul 17, 2009

SXS said:
Really ? You don't have the right to a paternity test ? That's BEYOND ****ed up. Are you sure about this ?

If you've already signed documents in which you claim paternity (typically at the hospital), those documents will hold in court regardless of the outcome of any paternity test.

Never sign anything or admit paternity until an AABB accredited test proves you to be 100% the biological father.

Paternity testing is 100% legal in all states, but must be done before any acknowledgment of paternity to hold up in court.

Like much of our legal system, unjust punishment can be avoided by knowing one's rights. Unfortunately, most people have a blind confidence in due process, which does not apply here; more commonly, a judge will uphold the legislation regardless of any evidence or admission that paternity fraud has occurred. It is a very troublesome aspect of very troublesome child support laws.

Luthor Rex · Jul 17, 2009

STR8UP said:
Listen to this chick lie! To be THAT good at lying about such a serious matter. to sound THAT convincing....that requires sociopathic tendencies.

This whole conversation sounds eerily familiar to me. Never had anything THIS serious, but I've confronted women with their lies before and gotten the exact same cold, indignant reaction.

YES!

This for me was the "it" moment. When I first saw women lie to me exactly the way you describe here was when I knew something was 'wrong with the world'. "Cold indignant reaction" is a perfect way to say it.

In a lot of ways it was a "matrix moment" for me. When it happened, I didn't yet know exactly what I was seeing but I realized that something was very wrong with the way I had been seeing the world and this is when I started to look for answers.

Thank the gods Morpheus found me. lol

STR8UP · Jul 18, 2009

Luthor Rex said:
YES!

This for me was the "it" moment. When I first saw women lie to me exactly the way you describe here was when I knew something was 'wrong with the world'. "Cold indignant reaction" is a perfect way to say it.

In a lot of ways it was a "matrix moment" for me. When it happened, I didn't yet know exactly what I was seeing but I realized that something was very wrong with the way I had been seeing the world and this is when I started to look for answers.

Thank the gods Morpheus found me. lol

Dude.....my last LTR actually FORGED A CELL PHONE BILL to "prove" that she wasn't lying to me.

Good thing I had initiated a preemptive strike by installing a keylogger on my laptop, so I had a copy of the REAL bill before she did.

I'm telling you.....it was a FLAWLESS counterfeit. To this day I have no idea how she did it, but I had the real thing right in front of me and her sh!t looked legit.

We were both "waiting" for the bill to come in to prove her "innocence", so she knew it was coming. As soon as I had the REAL copy in my hand I told her to cough it up. She huffed and puffed like I was some kind of ass hole for even suggesting that she would lie to me, and she held her ground until she realized that I wasn't bluffing. I looked her right in the eye and called her a lying ass cvnt, and she FINALLY relented.

Point is, if I hadn't played PI she would have EASILY pulled the wool over my eyes and probably made me feel like a jealous, insecure ass hole. And this was one of the nice, "feminine" specimens.

That was my turning point. I knew from that point on that I couldn't take ANYTHING for granted when it comes to women.

Paranoid? Misogynist? Fukk that....I'm a REALIST.

The original topic of this post is an extreme example, but if you think you are smart enough or observant enough or whatever to be immune to this you're a straight up sucker....

STR8UP · Jul 18, 2009

DonS said:
We men have to do the right thing and just suck it up when another male impregnates our girl. We have to marry her and raise the redheaded freckled deliquent as our own.

Half of the posters on this site already have one foot in that grave.

I think we need a forum where those of us who are "in the know" can discuss REAL WORLD topics instead of disneyland fantasies.

Who knows....I just might get a wild hair up my ass and start one.

Drewskie · Jul 18, 2009

WOW!!! this is f-in great. If it wasn't for thi site, I would never have believed this sh!t.

Nutz · Jul 18, 2009

STR8UP said:
'You're gonna be sorry because you are NOTHING without me!"

I would be willing to bet that even though this was a 1.5 yr. relationship, this was the FIRST time that he's ever seen this side of her.

Listen to this chick lie! To be THAT good at lying about such a serious matter. to sound THAT convincing....that requires sociopathic tendencies.

This whole conversation sounds eerily familiar to me. Never had anything THIS serious, but I've confronted women with their lies before and gotten the exact same cold, indignant reaction. It's scary when it's something as serious as paternity fraud.

Seriously, this is EXACTLY why female infidelity is WAAAAAY more serious than male infidelity.

This kind of sh!t should merit jail time.

If you think that's something, listen to this chick.

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18...IP/6-15-09 wotr podcast whos mike podcast.mp3

Nutz · Jul 18, 2009

Jeffst1980 said:
If you've already signed documents in which you claim paternity (typically at the hospital), those documents will hold in court regardless of the outcome of any paternity test.

Never sign anything or admit paternity until an AABB accredited test proves you to be 100% the biological father.

Paternity testing is 100% legal in all states, but must be done before any acknowledgment of paternity to hold up in court.

Like much of our legal system, unjust punishment can be avoided by knowing one's rights. Unfortunately, most people have a blind confidence in due process, which does not apply here; more commonly, a judge will uphold the legislation regardless of any evidence or admission that paternity fraud has occurred. It is a very troublesome aspect of very troublesome child support laws.

This. If you sign the birth certificate and say 8 years goes by and THEN you think the kid might not be yours, you're going to have an uphill battle through the court system to get a paternity test and be free of any child support.

Again, paternity tests should be required before a man is even permitted to claim the child as his own. I hate to say it, but this is one of those areas of life where guys need to be protected for their own good.

Nutz · Jul 26, 2009

cw92 said:
She is spewing **** and gets called out and she says

"Just because your a man your defending him?", and her boyfriend just takes it, I'm disgusted.

How can women be like that?

EDIT: Sorry I just realized I posted in the Mature Man Section, I apologize to the MODS.

No worries here.

LeftyLoosey · Jul 26, 2009

Everything on that website is pure gold. One of my faves so far is "This woman shouldn't be married" from 7/6

She tells Kane that she gave her husband permission to sleep with other men because she doesn't like to have sex anymore. When she finds out he got a BJ from a girl he met at the bar, she flips out and loses all rationality. Hilarity ensues.

Luthor Rex · Jul 26, 2009

LeftyLoosey said:
Everything on that website is pure gold. One of my faves so far is "This woman shouldn't be married" from 7/6

She tells Kane that she gave her husband permission to sleep with other men because she doesn't like to have sex anymore. When she finds out he got a BJ from a girl he met at the bar, she flips out and loses all rationality. Hilarity ensues.

The husband in that was amazingly calm in this situation.

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