Careful of AFC wingmen

skEwb · Jan 3, 2009

So I decided to go out on a good Friday night and brought along an AFC wingman just to sit there and have a convo with, since my more experienced wingmen were not in town. Turns out after I spoke to a few girls my AFC wingman comes over as I'm talking to this girl and says "my buddy has been staring at you all night, cmon... give him something..." :nono: I was like WTF!! he just killed any chance I had with her. I tried telling her he's just messed up and drunk but she caught on quickly to what he said and said she'd talk to us later.

Lesson learned, go alone rather than bringing AFC wingman. It's better alone or with an experienced one than with someone that will not only have any game for himself, but ruin yours as well.

It was a good night and closed a few of the girls I talked to, but I could have had one more...

Has something similar happened to anyone else here on the board?

Leporello · Jan 3, 2009

I once went sarging with a guy who's first question to most girls was 'Do you have a boyfriend?'. More than half of them simply turned away and wouldn't speak to us. Needless to say, I never went sarging with him again

skEwb · Jan 3, 2009

remotecontrol said:
yes, yes i have. The few guys i used to hang out with were terrible with women....they had a knack of saying and doing the wrong thing, even when i hooked them up with women to talk to, they fvcked it up....they also managed to seriously make me look bad...im sure that some of it was deliberate out of sheer jealousy, because they had zero skills they wanted to ruin my chances too...
then i started going out alone and hitting on women...sometimes i will hit up a conversation with random guys in a club...first i say "hey man, your into women right?", this obviously difuses any notion that im hitting on them haha and the reply will be " im into women". Then ill just say "well lets go and bull**** with those two over there"...thats how i get my wingmen now by road teating guys like this...mostly these guys are terrible with women and after i get them into convos with numerous women they beg me at the end of the night to come out again and again, as its me doing all the approaches etc, but unless they show potential i just leave them in my dust.

I told the guy I was going out with to just be himself. He deals with customers all day and has no problem talking to them in a pretty nice manner, but when it comes to women he tries too hard to be cool and it's really easy to see and sniff from miles away.

I tried to encourage him to go talk to a few of them but I figured it would just have disastrous consequences and he was hesitant to make a first move like me so I backed off from pushing him out there and went on my own, until he came over and ruined that one last convo I was having.

I'm not sure if my friend was jealous and ruined my game on purpose or if he is just really new with something like talking to women, but either way he's going in the 'left in the dust' section as you put it haha. He can either self improve and show me a difference or I'm never going out with him again.

I just don't understand why some people make it so difficult. A simple smile with eye contact and introducing yourself is easy as hell. I just don't get it sometimes.

Dust 2 Dust · Jan 3, 2009

Leporello said:
I once went sarging with a guy who's first question to most girls was 'Do you have a boyfriend?'.

i hate to admit it, but I used to say the same thing when approaching. The line never got me anywhere of course.

i remember one time I was chatting a group of girls and my friend comes up and says "so you ladies wanna get a room?" Needless to say, the chicks became totally turned off.

skEwb · Jan 3, 2009

Leporello said:
I once went sarging with a guy who's first question to most girls was 'Do you have a boyfriend?'. More than half of them simply turned away and wouldn't speak to us. Needless to say, I never went sarging with him again

Hah wanna hear worse? At least your buddy had enough guts to go talk to girls. My buddy was going around talking to other guys and 'having fun' talking about stupid crap. I think that when you're in prowl mode you focus on the women or others that can help you talk to them, not sit there and chat with random guys that wont get you anything and waste time.

It was kinda frustrating.

amoka · Jan 4, 2009

skEwb said:
So I decided to go out on a good Friday night and brought along an AFC wingman just to sit there and have a convo with, since my more experienced wingmen were not in town. Turns out after I spoke to a few girls my AFC wingman comes over as I'm talking to this girl and says "my buddy has been staring at you all night, cmon... give him something..." :nono: I was like WTF!! he just killed any chance I had with her. I tried telling her he's just messed up and drunk but she caught on quickly to what he said and said she'd talk to us later.

Lesson learned, go alone rather than bringing AFC wingman. It's better alone or with an experienced one than with someone that will not only have any game for himself, but ruin yours as well.

It was a good night and closed a few of the girls I talked to, but I could have had one more...

Has something similar happened to anyone else here on the board?

You could use that to your advantage... "Yeah, the dress you're wearing just looks soooo familiar. Looks like the girl I saw the other night at Zigman Bar who was insulting and cursing at her boyfriend outside like she has no manners..... you wouldn't do that would you?"

nismo-4 · Jan 4, 2009

AFC Wingmen can clip you out of the sky by making you look bad. DJ Wingmen can steal what's yours and make you feel bad.

DJ wingmen can also help you out more by introducing you to new and attractive women.

Going alone can also make you look creepy, but constant socialization and having fun + confidence is an effective countermeasure.

Asking a girl if she has a bf was a great approach in the 80s and 90s. The field has changed motherf**ker! Share a kiss with a girl...a Hershey's kiss. Very strong icebreaker. I do it a lot.

Cry For Love · Jan 5, 2009

nismo-4 said:
Going alone can also make you look creepy, but constant socialization and having fun + confidence is an effective countermeasure.

Yea, Mystery method also advocates quickly opening sets when entering a new area just to gain social proof, even if those sets have no hbs in em

Someone Much cooler · Jan 5, 2009

I used to go alot. I might again but my GF starts trippin...she knows me and worries ill be prowlin for girls...sometimes i do it by mistake.

Vypros · Jan 5, 2009

When you are upfront about what you want (sex) and your interest in a girl, then it won't matter who you are with, you'll still get results.

Stop being a deceptive game player and start being more real in your interactions and a little thing like what happened to you with your friend won't ruin your entire interaction.

Your game wasn't ruined...he exposed your bull**** for what it was and she realized it.

Careful of AFC wingmen

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