For all you whiners who keep moaning about your problems: My challenge to you.

1. Shut the Fvck up with your online whining. Nobody likes a whiney ass man.

2. Go speak to one strange woman when you read this. All you have to say is "Hi, my name is ________, what's up?" after that do what ever you feel like.

3. Come back and post the results and tell us how it felt.


If you post in this thread about your problems, everyone will know you are not worth helping. No whinefest allowed in here. Only real men doing real things.

Post about this mission and how you felt before and after you completed it. Otherwise don't bother. We are here to grow and you grow by doing. No bytch boys allowed. We are real men here right? That is the goal. Real men take action. Are you a real man? Or will you stay a whiney little boy? The choice is yours.

Don't post shyt but results. ONLY RESULTS! Everyone else, if your not particpating please refrain from posting.

Have more patience brother. Other men on here aren't at the same level as you. They KNOW what they need to do, but they would rather wallow in self-pity.

I know its almost infuriating reading posts of the same member over and over because they just "dont get it". But what you have to understand is that there is only SO much you can do. You can give someone the best advice in the world, but its up to THEM to use it.

Preach it brother

jdon23 said:

Have more patience brother. Other men on here aren't at the same level as you. They KNOW what they need to do, but they would rather wallow in self-pity.

I know its almost infuriating reading posts of the same member over and over because they just "dont get it". But what you have to understand is that there is only SO much you can do. You can give someone the best advice in the world, but its up to THEM to use it.

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Jdon this is the mothereffing truth!!!

I use to be like half the guys here, plug in the matrix, just thinking, if I do this and that for a women she will like me, not knowing my own self worth, that I as a person was good enough and that I didn't need to jump through the loops and loops to get it. It took a mighty mighty long long time.

But a man needs have several things to succeed and i will post them

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thanks for ruining my thread fellas. I don't want these guys to get coddled. I want em to man up and just do this one exercise. Just this one simple thing, without whining..with out analayzing. And without some other grown ass men babying them. So thanks for babying grown men in my thread. I would rather it sink down with no post at all then to see some babying for grown men.
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Most afc's are weak and they won't take responsibility for themselves. If they actually did the exercise, they'd have nothing to complain about.

The reason for my comment was not to ruin your thread, but it is to show your that your perspective about teaching/giving advice is not in right tone.

You don't get angry with someone because they haven't reached a certain level of success.

Honestly I'd rather come off as compassionate and patient than arrogant and frustrated.

Maybe I misunderstood. Was this topic posted to give AFC's a "reality check" by slapping them with titles like "whiny ass *****es"? Or was this a method for you to subconsciously stroke your ego about how you feel you are better than other men? Hmm.. who knows?

Good luck on your journey to convert these whiny ass men into big, STRONG, womanizing, Warriors

1. I agree with Warrior and you other 2 yahoo's should of done as he asked and not posted unless it was in line with what this thread is about.

2. I see a lot of knuckleheads like to hide behind the "I'm not at that level yet" bullcrap. If you got a pair of nutz in your pants your at that level.

3. It is a matter of waking up and realizing the truth about yourself as a man.

4. To coddle as you 2 guys hinted at just wasted this and finally a good thread on this site.

5. Solomon I am surprised at you being black my brutha. You know how we do it. We don't raise pvssies. Think about every time you got beat with that extension chord to make a man out of ya. The only way I can figure out why you said that is that maybe you and your folks are not from the states.

jdon23 said:

The reason for my comment was not to ruin your thread, but it is to show your that your perspective about teaching/giving advice is not in right tone.

You don't get angry with someone because they haven't reached a certain level of success.

Honestly I'd rather come off as compassionate and patient than arrogant and frustrated.

Maybe I misunderstood. Was this topic posted to give AFC's a "reality check" by slapping them with titles like "whiny ass *****es"? Or was this a method for you to subconsciously stroke your ego about how you feel you are better than other men? Hmm.. who knows?

Good luck on your journey to convert these whiny ass men into big, STRONG, womanizing, Warriors

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You really don't understand at all do you? Have you ever been in the military? Done bootcamp? You don't motivate a solider over the wall by reading him the "the little engine that could" You yell until that mother****er jumps that damn wall!

Sometimes...when you are down in the bottom and can't figure out a way to start climbing you need to just start acting. You need someone to just help you along the way. I'm the type that when I was down, I couldn't figure it out..I knew what to do...but I just wouldn't do it. I needed someone to kick my ass enough that I got mad enough to do something about it. Eventually I stopped trying to prove something to others and only had myself to anwser to. But sometimes tough love gets the job done.

I really don't understand what you mean by womanzing. This is a seduction/pick up forum named after a rapist womanizer. Don Juan. I think you should think about that. I never said go out and rape and pillage. I said speak to one woman. So really I think your just throwing insults with the womanizing thing. Why are you on this forum if not to learn how to be a better man in all areas of your life including women?

I really like the way you took this personally and decided to make slights and insults towards me. that shows compassion and patience and not arrogance and anger on your part. You showed your true colors by your response. Good job and good luck.

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You really don't understand at all do you? Have you ever been in the military? Done bootcamp? You don't motivate a solider over the wall by reading him the "the little engine that could" You yell until that mother****er jumps that damn wall!

Sometimes...when you are down in the bottom and can't figure out a way to start climbing you need to just start acting. You need someone to just help you along the way. I'm the type that when I was down, I couldn't figure it out..I knew what to do...but I just wouldn't do it. I needed someone to kick my ass enough that I got mad enough to do something about it. Eventually I stopped trying to prove something to others and only had myself to anwser to. But sometimes tough love gets the job done.

I really don't understand what you mean by womanzing. This is a seduction/pick up forum named after a rapist womanizer. Don Juan. I think you should think about that. I never said go out and rape and pillage. I said speak to one woman. So really I think your just throwing insults with the womanizing thing. Why are you on this forum if not to learn how to be a better man in all areas of your life including women?

I really like the way you took this personally and decided to make slights and insults towards me. that shows compassion and patience and not arrogance and anger on your part. You showed your true colors by your response. Good job and good luck.

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Actually I went to a quasi-military school that had a bootcamp, so yes I did and HAVE experienced that kind of motivation. I know it wasn't anything like the army but still I could only eat/****/shave when they told me to for a MONTH. I had no cellphone and couldn't talk to anyone and it did give me a lot of self confidence after I graduated. But what you have to realize is not everyone is "fit" to live a solider lifestyle. Yes the image is incredibly macho and masculine but that is NOT everyone's path.

I do agree with you, tough love DOES work.. but only for a certain type of person. Some people don't operate that way. They don't respond to insults. You can still be a good teacher to someone and SHOW them instead of TELLING them.

Now that I read my post again, I did come off as insulting you as well. I apologize, as that was not my intention. I am just trying to get you wrap your brain around the idea that yelling and screaming for change is NOT the only way to teach someone.

You can help that AFC even more if you post an insightful FR or helpful tip about how to make her enjoy kissing you more or something.

A womanizer is a man who knows how to seduce a woman very easily.. I don't know where you got rapist from.

I know your heart was in the right place with your topic and so was my reply so I guess i'll just leave it at that and walk away from this thread.

I know this is directed at me. I am good at sensing such a thing. I mean, he's right. I and anyone else just need to get out and do it, I realize I am lazy and that's why I don't have what I want, or I feel sorry for myself,lack self confidence etc.

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I know this is directed at me. I am good at sensing such a thing. I mean, he's right. I and anyone else just need to get out and do it, I realize I am lazy and that's why I don't have what I want, or I feel sorry for myself,lack self confidence etc.

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Alright, I agree with warrior to a point. Although I'm not gonna throw insults out to those who need help. I still say you gotta get out there and throw your balls in the air. CapedCrusader, you say you have a lack of confidence and feel sorry for yourself? Well you need to build some dam confidence. There's no other way to do that than to get out and socialize with women and get out of your comfort zone. After you do this, you may get shot down a few times, but you gotta keep movin your ass forward, until eventually something positive comes out of this awkward experience. After that one defining moment, you start to think in a new way, you start to think "Maybe I CAN do this"

See, but here;s my problem, I try to get myself pysched up, I do, but it quickly get's killed. I have anxiety I guess. Something I need to get rid of. But the one thing that kills it for me is this sense of, I should have done it sooner. I have wasted all this time, and could have become a different person along time ago. Now, I really feel like I don't know who I am. I mean, I feel I haven't shaped myself into the attractive person I want to be so to say.

I mean, for the past year,it's been the same thing,work,home,work,home. School when I was doing school, go out mostly just to shop. Social life just isn't there. And this has been an on and off problem for some time. I mean, I just feel on the outside of everything and everyone. I was reading some of the articles here, http://www.heartless-*****es.com/rants/niceguys/ng.shtml
and although I have some anger issues, feeling angry at the world etc, I have an idea of what not to become, the parts on misogony,manipulation, the man with no spine, etc. I do feel I may possess some of the qualities, I like to think I am a nice person, although I have done some real ******* things before, I mean I am talking mean spirited, bad stuff to people. Not proud of it. But, maybe I don't have the balls to do what I would like to do or say what I want to say.

Brother, I was 25 before I discovered the community. Believe me, I know how it is to feel like you've been left behind. Like you I didn't have an open calendar like others seem to where I can spend the afternoon at the mall doing "100 approaches in day" bootcamps. I started by reading the DJ Bible long before I started getting into a lot of the natural PUA type stuff. That ebook alone helped a lot with my confidence. From there I beat a lot of my anxiety by just saying hi to anyone around me. You'll find a lot of people actually appreciate someone just saying something nice to them. Cashiers and old folks are two people that really like it. It's a shame people have unevolved from just being nice. Some people learn faster than others, there is nothing wrong with babysteps.

This isn't the military. While I'd have chosen better words than the name calling from the OP, I somewhat agree. There is a lot of help and advice for you here and other boards......but you have to give us a stepping stone to work with. Then another and then another. Without it makes it harder for those that could be teachers to help, and makes you a target to those that will forever sit behind the keyboard.

Warrior74,

At first,when I read this post,I wasn't going to reply out of respect for your wishes that only the guys who participate in the challenge to respond with their results,but when I saw some of the other members replying just to give their opinions,I figured I'd go ahead and give mine as well. Even though you talk about "guys" whining,I think it's pretty clear who you're talking about.
Personally,I find it pretty amusing myself. This guy makes thread after thread after thread,asking the same questions over and over again. Whenever someone gives him an answer or some good advice,he agrees with it,then 10 minutes later,he starts another thread with the same questions all over again.

I've noticed a pattern with him. That's why I simply don't reply to his threads.
What for? If the past 3000 replies he got to his 100 threads hasn't helped him after all the time he's been here,then what is my one reply supposed to do?
His inner conflict is spilling outward and effecting other members here. It has you arguing with jdon23,and no matter how much you reply,no matter how good your advice is,or how many other members reply,even after 3 months,40 threads,and 2000 replies,he's not improved one bit. In fact,I think he's gotten worse.
To tell you the truth,I think he has more of a effect on the people trying to help him than the other way around. Not only has he not improved,he hasn't even tried to improve. He's still the same,while members like you,Loving,Flabbergasted,Dannyrt34,and others get agitated and frustrated with him. At the beginning,Interceptor tried to give him some direction,but even he has seemed to backoff from him. This guy is a blackhole. All he does is suck the life and energy from the forum and it's members.
This thread of yours started off being a positive thing,then HE came here and poisoned it with more whining and complaining.

Just look at some oither the replies of the members who have repeatedly tried to help him. Look at the early ones,then notice the lastest ones. You'll notice how in the beginning,the replies were more optimistic,then towards the later ones,they turned negative,even lashing out at him.

My advice? Stay away from this guy. If he actually does one thing that has been suggested to him,even one,then fine. Try to help him out. Other than that,just stay away,for your own piece of mind.

Yah. This was my last effort to help that guy. Just like elstud and a few others. If they can't even follow the basic directions, simple little One Two Three steps then they don't deserve my time and energy.

To go and do the exact opposite of what I asked them to do shows that they are self absorbed to realise the point of the exercise. It's also a slap in the face to someone who is trying to help your dumb ass. I wash my hands of this one.

Brother Warrior,

Noone here gives tougher love than I. All of this typing and backslapping is just conjecture.

Mentor people in the real world and you'll realize, as I did, that some people have no social skills. Their defeatist mindsets are consuming their desire to step out of their limitlessness.

I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion to shut up, put your boots, find a woman and say: "Hi."

But. You can't shovel instructions down their throat when they're already choking on pride.

I wish it were as easy as putting a leash on a guy and drag him out in public and force him to talk to people under penalty of death. This isn't realistic.

Who mentored you? Did he force you out there naked and alone without direction? You have drive and a fire to help your fellow man. We are desperate for men such as you.

Sometimes you have to be a little gentle in your approach to elevating guys to their Next Level.

Unfortunately, their ego isn't properly contained if you put a boot up their ass. They'll fight you rather than use you as a lamp of truth.

Ok Warrior - I took your challenge - approaching is tough for me

Saw a redheaded temp, HB7.5, in my building earlier and thought she was cute. Saw her again this afternoon and noticed she didn't have a ring on.

When I walked out to go back to my office she was still in the hall - I gave her a hard time about work (they work the temps in that office to death) and she replied back with a "coming up for air" comment. We talked for a few more minutes, exchanged names and a small handshake.

She's cute, I'll talk to her this week again once or twice and then hit her up for a date next week sometime.

I'm glad I did it - once I got over the initial fear of talking our convo was fine, she was smiling and receptive with body language.

Natural redhead too - I really want to see that carpet!

Well,here's a problem I face. I go, I try to talk to people, or people talk to me, I don't think I come off as unaproachable, I have been told I am pretty down to earth, but there seems like this wall is up. It has to do with cliquey-ness amongst people, and that's what I feel I am up against, and I hate that.

Caped forget social anxiety what is it you really fear? When you see a chick and say hi whats the worse that can happen rejection. This saying should always come to mind like tariq nasheed says "You have to campaign until you get elected" Do you see presidential candidates b itch and moan when they lost a state and ask how I lost that state? no, they just move to another state and campaign. Trust me a bruised ego doesn't hurt more then missed opportunities.

Missed opportunities is what is bothering me the most. this overwhelming sense of lost time. Esp when I see other people, some younger, experiencing what I didn't with dating,relationships,etc and all that comes with it. I mean, it did or has gotten to a point where I don't know, maybe I do seek validation. Maybe it is too engrained in me where I just want someone else to do it.

Maybe that's it, maybe I am too fragile. Or, I am unrealistic. It seems that she will only sleep with you if she finds you attractive, maybe I don't see it in myself enough. That's what I mean when I say I haven't toughened myself out enough for this. I mean, I feel like my life has become this little box. Why do you think I post alot of the stuff I post on here? you think it's easy when you realize how much time has passed? And how harder it gets?