Trd323, I didn't say that you can't turn a friend into lover. I said that it is hard to do,and I mean EXTREMELY hard. And the longer you have been friends with the girl,the harder it becomes. I'm sure that out of the billions of people who have ever lived on this planet,and out of the 6.5 billion who are currently here,yeah,I'm sure some guy somewhere pulled it off.
The problem with making the switch is that you are trying to get the girl to see you in a different way,when from the very beginning,from the first time you talk to the girl,every word,every gesture,every conversation you have had and continue to have with her has been on a friend level. If he tries to date her,and she says,"I think we should just be friends",can you blame her?
This is all she has ever known of him,and all of the sudden,out of the blue,he wants to switch things up? Not gonna happen. Plus,he said that the two of them have told each other "secrets and stuff" about each other that no one else knows about each other. You think she is going to be comfortable dating someone who knows "secrets" and things about herself that no one else knows? If he tries to date this girl,she's going to freak out. It would be like dating a psychologist,some one who has probed your mind. In a friend context,this is ok,but dating just invites a WHOLE FLOOD of different feelings,emotions, and behaviors into the mix. It's simply too much. Look,women are some crazy creatures sometimes. I've asked a woman out before,and she said yes. She said yes,and we DIDN'T go out.
I've asked a woman out before,and she said no. She said no,and then we DID go out. Imo,if he had asked her out from the very beginning,and she had rejected him,he would still have a better chance at dating her than trying to date her from the friendzone. But hey,if you know of some way to turn this around,enlighten us,both him and me. I have room to grow just like everbody else.