Something is wrong with 75% of the people that come here (Long Post)

Yes, you read it right.
I've been here for some time, and as each day passes, it only get worst !

Something is very wrong with 75% of the people that come here...
I'll tell you why

First I just I ask the Moderator to kindly leave this post here, because it's directed to us highschoolers.

I've been a newbie once, and even though I don't post much I'm always up-to-date with the things in here and in the site.

75% of the people coming here, are man who are having trouble with the ladies.
They are very logical man, who don't have a slightest clue of how the mind of a woman works.
So, they started to read all posts and articles, bookmark their favorites and start to create their own method.

Everytime I read the Forums, in the first there always are 3,4,5 post "summing everything up".
So the guy memorizes everything, and start trying. And he realizes it doesn't work very well.
For some, it might work. There are a lot of insecure women, who can't or can but won't see the difference between a REAL Don Juan and a FAKE Don Juan.

You see, memorizing things, start dressing and acting like the post tell you to will get you some women. Maybe some ***** too.

But you will be a lie.

While talking to a beautiful woman, you mind will be like: " Should I neghit her now?" "Should I say that line I read in the lines compilation post?"

If you walk up to a girl, and she doesn't give you her number you'll just next her and say: " She's a hottie, but she's a *****"
But who knows if her dog died or if her grandma is in the hospital almost dying.

I don't want to turn everyone into nice guys.
I've been one and I regret more than anything else in my life.

I'm just warning people that come here, that a REAL Don Juan, is a man with a DJ Personality, a DJ Way of Seeing Life.

I see people reading all these books about NLP, and saying to theirselves " I'm going to get myself a lot of pu$$y " 300 times a day, hoping that a change will happen.
It WON'T !

It's kinda like stop smoking... a lot of people try to stop smoking, try different things, spend a lot of money and nothing.
But the ones who really want to stop smoking just do it... gradually maybe, but EFFECTIVELY.

See the Living Legends of the Forums... Men like Pook,Anti-Dump,Red-xl.
They don't post about techniques for you to memorize and do blindly in your dates.
They post about their behaviour, their way of seeing life.
Their atittude.

Atittude you don't fake. You either have it or don't.
But attitude, you can develop.
Unfortunately, these 75% don't want to develop it... because it's hard, and it's illogical... feelings aren't logical.

I'm going to tell some things from now on that are my opinions, but I think a lot of people will agree.

At first, I couldn't have a decent friendship with girls, because I was too immature and arrogant.
I had lots of oportunities, and missed them all. Until one day, when I was really infatuated by a girl, but I couldn't even talk to her. I would freak out. So I wrote a LOVE LETTER (I still knock my head in the walls sometimes for that) to her. She must have laughed more than any other time in her life.

So I saw that it was wrong, and decided to change.
But I changed into a chronic nice guy.
I knew a little from SoSuave.com
This little helped me becoming less shy and become better at some things like talking to girls. But I was too nice. I thought women were all cute and poor little creatures, and I thought that by listening to her crap and being lovely, when I'd fall for one of my friends they would understand and love me too.

Bull$hit!

After being step over too many times, I became mad and had a terrible fight with a girl I liked a lot.

So I decided to do something.
And I did.
I became a person who did not care about anything, anyone but himself.
And I hated women.

But after nights and nights of SoSuave, I finally had the inner Don Juan light inside of me shining.

I realized that I was wrong thinking about body language, lines, neghits and other ****.
My conversations were too artificial.

Being a Don Juan, is having a special personality.
It is being, a confident, funny, happy man, who loves life, loves himself, loves the things he does and tries to do the things he loves most of the time.
Don Juans have a little something that is magical, hard to explain. It's an aura of success, joy and sexuality.
Don Juans are God's gift to women.

Women, are wonderful gifts crafted in heaven.
We all can live without them, but not for too long.
And such precious gifts, we get to choose from a wide range of different models.

First, we must know the models we like the most.
The outer parts (looks) and the inner parts (personality and mind)

If you do a successful close, and get to f*ck a lady, she'll remember you for a few months.

If you get into her private world, sees the beauties that she hides from the others, if you get involved in her thoughts and dreams,
and very important, if you understand her, she'll be incredibly connected to you.
You'll lay her as many times as you can.

And as a Don Juan, you make she be the one emotionally involved, and you, the thirsty man who drinks in the bliss of delight, and leaves after his thirst is gone.

And when you find another, your thirst grow back and you seduce her again, kill your thirst and leave.

The 75% I'm talking about, want women only to have an orgasm.
It's very sad for a one, when asked about the reasons he goes for women, is because he wants to have sex and have orgasms.

This very unfortunate individual should stop, and remember that if their parents are a regular couple, he was born becuase of their deep love,devotion,affection and understanding, these so deep that took a material form, as a child.

You can say to me: " F*ck you, you're just 17. What do you know about love anyway?
Why don't you just shut and go find some pu$$y to bang?"

I'll tell you why. If I'm in the mood for a ONS, I'll go for it. I have the confidence in myself, and I know that I can aproach a chick, get her really high and get at least some kisses and a phone number.

Sometimes I go to parties and kiss chicks just for fun. It's good to your ego.

But this concept of women, pleasure, and maybe love, may seem stupid, but they're the reason ehy most of us were born.

I'm not saying everyone should for a LTR. You must have both mindsets: The I'm just looking for fun and orgasms mindset and the I'm looking for delight and heavenly pleasure.

These Fake Juan only have one, and that's sad.

Back to personality,
After you change your personality, the whole world changes.
Walking up to a girl, talking to her, getting her to laugh out loud, laugh so hard that she cries, get her smiling, get her feeling admired and respected, understood,
is something natural.

A Don Juan is a person who hates anything negative in his life. He learns to love and respect his family, to see that they're human beings.
He learns to love his close friends, respect his not so close friends and all people around there.

He learns to enjoy the small things, for they're the greatest experiences in life,
He knows that each day maybe the last for him, so he don't want to die knowing that there is someone whom he's been unfair or he's hurted.

A Don Juan knows some mistakes are unavoidable, but Big mistake are avoidable, and they vanish faster every day that passes...

A Don Juan does not have a limited vision of the world, he sees a lot of possibilities, opportunities, points of view and ideas, and he respects them, and gets the best of each to himself, because he's aware the he must be changing himeself constantly.

I hope people got the idea.
I came here to change my personality, and learn to be a man.
I'm proud to say that I wasn't a man, but I recognized it and started to change.
I know that in my adult life, I'll be flexible enough to become even more mature, and more independent and sucessfull.

I have always a reason to smile, and think to myself: " Man, you're SO great. And tomorrow, you'll be even GREATER. You're a real Don Juan "

If you really are like this, the chicks will notice, and they'll like you, they'll like to be around you, laught at your jokes and sigh when you talk to them about love. And they'll see you as a very hot man, even when
you're not that hot.

Just like we do, for them.

You were starting good except i saw you dis NLP. Who the **** disses NLP?

You have no idea what NLP is do you? NLP is the software manual to your brain.

NLP creates who you are to dis it, would be to dis the greatest of us here.


But remember this, I was happy as a mudder fuder. I still didn't get any *****. I was completely content, being afc, I never knew what i was missing.

Some of the rest was good, though.

Also, someone really content with their life ext, doesn't have to come here saying that 75% of us are crap.

When you preach, make sure you don't have any mirrors around, you might not like what you see.

Tell me how can I be funnier? Really, this is not my strongest suit.


additude man, get a better one.

Brazilian Blues Boy... I will be the first to say that this post was one of the most honest, heartfelt, threads that I have ever read on this board. This is some good ****... straight up. And what is fairly ironic, is that me and you have gone through basically the same thing. I also started not liking women, and treating them all like *****es, even if they did not deserve it. I was also a chronic nice guy, and was something that I had to break. I wouldn't say that 75% percent of everyone that's on this site is trash, but it is true that as Don Juan's should not use lines, scripts, or something that they read to get women... because eventually you are doing nothing but becoming an idea. This site should be used as a guideline and nothing more... good stuff.

Reloaded: The Series... Uncovering Victoria's Secret, coming soon.

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"Enjoy life. There's plenty of time to be dead."

Anon

"What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lives within us."

Oliver Wendell Holmes

"Live every day as if it were your last, because one of these days, it will be."

Jeremy Schwartz

"You change the world first, and the rules second. You change yourself first, and then the world second."

Julian Richard Gibbs better known as The Matrix: Reloaded

Very, very, VERY good post!

Too bad, that you could call me one of the 75% of guys who come here. I was very shy, nut for a reason WHY I wanted a girl, I was answering: "Because I like her". I didn't even thought of f*cking her. But nothing worked. Then, I changed a little my point of thinking.

"Why do I want to be with her? Because she'll only feel good with me, no one else."

That, equels: "If I won't have her, too bad for her. I'll show her how great I am, and if she won't want me..."

But it's true, in the beggining I only was looking for some examples too use. They mostly worked, but I didn't feel good. I feeled like a dumbass who can't do anything good. So I started developing my own style, my own thoughts. I feeled good and it really worked.

One time I was ****y'n'funny, another I tried to be romantic. I was acting how I was feeling. Girls saw that and knew that I'm not acting. That I'm doing what I want, not what I must.

And one, very good part of your post BBB:

A Don Juan is a person who hates anything negative in his life. He learns to love and respect his family, to see that they're human beings.
He learns to love his close friends, respect his not so close friends and all people around there.

He learns to enjoy the small things, for they're the greatest experiences in life,
He knows that each day maybe the last for him, so he don't want to die knowing that there is someone whom he's been unfair or he's hurted.

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Many of us have bad days, even if a girl ditches him. But every day could be our last one. But I modificate a little that quote. It sounds like you should be a nice guy. I would rather say:

"DJ knows, that every day of his life can be his last one. A DJ CAN'T die knowing, that there's someone in this world who's mad or sad at him."

You could call me a newbie. I'm observing the forums for something about a month, and as a DJ I'm still a newbie. You could say, that I'm not experienced, but I now the importance of DJ'ing. So my tip to other newbies:

Kino + C'n'F + Confidence = DJ

I won't say how to be C'n'F, confident and how to use Kino succesifuly, there are already tips on how to use those three DJ gifts.


My life is my dream... I don't have to be afraid.

Dear Blakis,

I wouldn't diss anything I don't know.
It's a part of my personality, that says that I only have an opinion about something or someone only after I got to know it better.

And did.
I did read some books. My friend had conversations with a man who was a master at NLP, he'd catch all younger women and all married women he'd want.
But he quit. Do you know why?
Because he wanted to someone woh really liked him, and someone whom he really liked.
Not someone he brainwashed to like him.

There's another man, who's kinda like my coach. Whenever I have trouble with women, I go for him.
He's a natural born DJ. It's amazaing, he says everything exactly as the site and the post tell you to.
But, he's never been to Sosuave.com
And he scored a lot of women. Everytime I go out with him, I meet some girl he's screwed.

He has the righ mindset, the right personality.
He never had to elicit values or throw the discovery channel pattern on any girl he tried to lay.

That's the biggest inspiration I could have.

You know what, when I look at the mirror, I smile, because I see a ever-growing DON JUAN,
who's getting prettier and smarter as time passes.
It has came naturally, after I started to change my mind.

When you''re beautiful inside, your body will make you beautiful outside.

And I'm really content about my life, yes I am, I might have criticized too much in my post but all I want to do is help and warn people before it's too late for them.

Dear Dario,

Thanks for your honesty. It's hard to be so honest when it comes to our own flaws.
You might be here for only a month, but you're getting the essence of the Don Juan way of being.

It's really good for you to read a lot of techniques, and posts, but as long as you change your personality, you won't have to worry about the techs so much because they'll became natural.
It's a reward.
Memorizing things is the easy way.
Changing your mind is the hard way.

I gues we all know that the hard way is f*cking hard, but it's more rewarding in the end.
I wish you a lot of luck in your quest

wow, i couldnt agree with this any more...the other day i was at my friends house, and i was talking to him about the same exact things (about how most of the dj's are fakes)

i totally agree that a real dj has the MINDSET, and not a bunch of lines...BUT the dj's mindset is set with all of the tips he has read

he knows how/when to use the neg-hint, and it comes automatic

he knows when to give a compliment, and he dosent stress over her reaction

he knows that when he asks for a number, he is going to get it

and the list goes on...a real dj has the true mindset

I definately feel this post, he's keeping it real. It is definately more rewarding to experience sex with a girl your emmotionally connected to.

Bravo Brazillian

*speechless* im going to cry!!

FINALLY...SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE TRUE MINDSET OF A REAL DJ.

IF WE ALL WANTED PUS*Y, WHY DONT WE ALL JUST BECOME PORNSTARS.

~ oOh Nasty

I believe the greatest tool of all is finding flow. Go with it, or make your own. When you are being you, up front and honest, anything you acomplish will be more 'real' than if it were acomplished thru any sort of facade.

BUT there is a reason ppl post specifics. Do this, do that. Its because naturally, in our head, we may say 'Oh, I don't like that.' or 'Hey, thats really neat.' In combining all the things you like, you've just found things that fit YOU and what YOU are trying to accomplish. And after you've used a bunch of those 'lines' you change the grammar, molding them all, even more, into YOUR style.

The comparison between pook and someone [no example comes to mind, maybe me? I dono] who goes right after the specifics, is like this:

Pook says - "Clean your room"
I say - "Put away your shoes, make your bed, fold your cloths, vacume, dust, windex, throw those dirty sox down the laundry shoot."

Either way, your cleaning your room. But by saying everything, there gonna look at EVERYTHING that needs to get done. What if they don't feel like folding their cloths? Then there not going to, weather or not you said 'Clean your room' or 'fold your cloths' because they didn't feel like it. We've all been there "Ya, sure mom, get right on it."

But by saying 'Clean your room' you forgot to dust, but if you would have remembered, you would have done it, you like dusting. When you mention the specifics ppl are not FORCED to do them, but you are showing them every side.

All be it, most of the time when ppl say specifics, it comes acrost as 'DO THIS OR DIE!!!' But in turn, the reader must understand that he has to TRIE EVERYTHING to find out what WORKS FOR HIM. Because god know's if you walked up to some guy of average looks who had no clue with women, and said 'Be confedent, look your best, and talk to more women, trust me.' Even if he wanted to follow your advice, he'd get lost.

Where as if you said 'Its not as hard as you think. Believe in yourself. YOUR THE MAN! I know you are, you have to know you are. Once you know, everyone else will too! Go out and spend some money on nice cloths! Dockers pants and boots, oxforcloth shirt, keep them stainfree and ironed. Work out, talk to a personal trainer, work hard! After this women will think you look 10x better. After this, walk up to women, realize there are BILLIONS out there, and no matter WHAT happens this time, your jsut one step closer to finding the RIGHT ONE!'

Maybe he won't work out, and maybe he isn't quite sure of himself, but he realizes he needs to go talk to women. So he does. He broke it apeart, and took what he wanted. Thats what the readers here need to do.

Posts like pook's are needed, but posts with the specifics are too. Thats why were here, to get help form OTHERS. And when they speak, they speak of WHAT THEY WOULD DO, specifics. Take what works, ignore what doenst.

so true, so true

*tear in his eye



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"... I'm tensed a bit,
and tempted,
when I see the sins,
my friends commit,
I'm infinite... "-EMINEM

Brazillian, Your post seems so natural to me, maybe thats why i cannot recognize it as the way it is.

NLP, The NLP that I know, is very powerful self changing methods, methods of turning you into what you want to be. NLP, is revolutionary, I have yet to see one thing of NLP that is not good.

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If you want to know, ask the right people.
Don Juans know what they want,
and get it.

Dockers pants and boots, oxforcloth shirt, keep them stainfree and ironed.

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Hell yeah Lorenzo...that's my style.

To Brazilian- you've got a point. But by saying that three-fourths of the people here don't have a clue is a pretty broad generalization. Of course there are some new people without a clue...that is to be expected. Give them some time, everybody here has some hope of becoming a DJ.

It's not like you can learn this stuff in a day, week, or month. With a little patience and practice, everyone can make some changes.


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Jared- Master Don Juan

My AIM is the same as my SN...talk to me.

"In Pennsylvania, we're parolling rapists and murderers from our jails to make room for potheads at Greatful Dead concerts." - Ken Krawchuk, Libertarian candidate for governor

The worst part about this whole post is that YOU ARE 110% correct. I too have been a long time pupil of Don Juanism (although I post rarely) and I have also seen this. People come here to memorize lines and techniques hoping to get somewhere. BUT HOW DO YOU GET SOME WHERE WHILE HAVEN TO MEMORIZE CRAP. This site isnt full of book notes, this site is only a tutor or an aid to get the correct state of mind to become succesful with women. Dont try to become a Don Juan, evolve yourself to be THE DON JUAN.

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Zach: THe MAdhatter

dj is a mindset. thats the first thing ive learned on the boards and man it helped me a LOT =D
then again u guys dont know how hot my girlfriend is.

It's been a year since I've been a high school student, but this is a very nice post. I didn't have time to read it all, of course, since I have college in a few minutes, but much of what you said is how I feel.

On the other hand, I hate most Don Juans and prefer to speak with the Casanovians and the Advanced Casanovians whom you will find lingering in and around these forums.

Very well spoken. You are wise beyond your years.

Thank you guys for all your feedback.

I was reading my post again, and I noticed how radical I was saying so.
But I had to do so, because now I see that lots of people have the rgiht thing going.

I decided to post it, because I was sick and tired of going through the forums and seeing useless posts, saying the same things we've seen over and over summed up.

I want to clear myself a little:

There are some techniques, that are undismissable, you can't do well without them.
I noticed that as I progressed, these things became so natural, that they weren't techniques for me anymore, they became something I "just do usually".

Every technique, when used over and over, will become a part of you.
But, there are hundreds of posts about useless techniques,or unreal stuff.
It's the DJ's job to separate the good stuff from the trash stuff.

I guess that summing my whole post in a just a few lines, all I meant was:

Learn the essential, change your mind, and with time you'll see your innner Don Juan growing stronger and stronger.
Value the power of spontaniety.

Well, thanks a lot for your feedback. I don't want to create a war in here, and I don't hate anyone in here, I respect you all for the honesty in yourselves to say:
"There's something wrong with me, and I must change it !"
Everyone changes at his own pace, I respect that.

Thank you for all the intelligent replies (all of them were) and remember: the less you masturbate, the easier it will be for you.

Thanks again

I just want to say I matched up with every single thing you wrote about that "75%" before I read that post. I was just trying to memorize techniques.

...Yet somehow I never felt like I quite understood it completely, and had only been dealing with it by reading up on more techniques.

Anyway, thanks for putting me on the right track. I don't think I'm the only one of the 75% who you've pointed in the right direction.


[Oh yeah, just a little note This is actually my first post on the forum here. Glad to be here, hope I can learn some more from the masters.]

[This message has been edited by SnatchJP (edited 10-18-2002).]

wow.. very nice, alloguht it made me confused about some areas.

I'll "sleep" on it.. and reply with more detils soon (hope so).