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Rollo Tomassi

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One of the higher orders of physical standards women hold for men is height. There are countless threads on SS that address this, but I think that for the better part it's not difficult to observe this in the 'real world'. I should also add that this is one characteristic that is central to the Social Matching Theory in that human's are sensitive to asymetrics and imbalances.

Now, before I get told in so many ways that this isn't always the case or the "not in my case" exceptions to the rule, let me start by saying that this isn't the point of this thread. I don't want to debate the logistics of why women prefer a taller mate or the tendency for like to attract like in this respect. No, what I'm on about is "short man's disease." That's right, you know what I'm talking about, the ultimate in compensation for inferiority the dreaded 'short man's disease.' You know the guy. About 5' 6", pounding out the weight on the bench press. Bad ass attitude, hangs with the bigger guys (which is pretty much all of them) and throws his ego around. What a tool, right?

But if you think this is only limited to short men (or women), you're making a mistake. You see, in so many ways we all compensate for deficiencies. IQQI saw fit to start a thread asking why men lie not to long ago and it got me to thinking why any of us lie, man or woman. And with the influx of new members drawn from Love Shack, I've also been fielding a lot of questions regarding issues we kind of take for granted after having discussed them to death here; one of those being the nature of personality and one's ability to change their own or have it changed by circumstance, or often both. I think it's a tragic miscalculation on our part to think of personality as static, unchangeable or to question the ingenuousness of that change, but more tragic is the doubting ourselves for that change.

One simple truism that a lot of people love to use as their convenient escape clause is the JBY (just be yourself) notion. This of course is just what ones says as advice when they really don't know what else to say. Given that though, what is it that makes a personality shift 'genuine'. Any number of us probably know an individual who began acting differently at some point in their life. This can be the result of some kind of tragedy or trauma (think PTSD) or it can be that the individual felt a need to change their fundamental way of thinking and made the change of their own accord. Usually in these cases we think of them as posers or try-hards, trying to be something they're not. They reflect this change in their appearance, their regular practices, their friends or the people they associate with, attitudes, behaviors etc. And this is what's jarring for people who knew their prior personality.

What makes us doubt the sincerity of this change is what's at issue. If their change is something we agree with or generally think of as positive, we are less inclined to doubt the ingenuousness of this change. But when their change conflicts with our own interests, when it dramatically clashes with what we've come to expect of that individual, this is where we doubt their sincerity. We say "dude, stop trying to be something you're not", we tear it down, we fall back on JBY platitudes because it clashes with our interpretations. And in this doubt, we fish for reasons as to why a person would want that change; essentially, what are they compensating for?

It's a difficult enough task for an individual to critically assess their own personality, and even more so to effect a change in it, but the final insult is to have other's doubt the veracity of it. What others fail to see is that at some point in the development of their own personalities, they themselves had to compensate for deficiencies, discontentments and prompts to grow and mature. This is a gigantic hurdle for most AFCs wanting to transition to being something more. We call that being a DJ, but that doesn't encompass the entirety of maturing.

There is a saying that AFCs are like a bunch of crabs in a barrel. As soon as one is about to climb out there are always half a dozen ready to pull him back in again. Add to this a self-doubt from societal conditionings that tell him to stay the same, not to aspire to more, he's doing it right, and it's amazing that any AFC becomes a DJ. They tell him he's compensating, and in a way they're right, but for the wrong reason. PUA skills, DJ psychology, Positive Masculinity are all compensations for deficiencies. They go beyond behavior modification - that's the easy answer. PUAs teach a set of behaviors and scripts to be aped in order to mask a deficit. These are easy pickings for the JBY reasonists because they are actions that generally don't match a person's prior personality. They're not "really" like that, so they're posers, or worse, they've been duped by guys hawking the PUA brand of self-help tools. What they don't see is the genuine desire to change and the reasons for it.

When we compensate, we improvise, we fake it till we make it; but who determines when we've stopped faking it? We do.
 

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The old Napolean Hill cliche "As you think, you become" or Anthony Robbins "You are a Net of your habits".

The key to behavioral change starts with a thought. That thought progresses to a concept. With continual application of this concept , a NEW you may be born.

The REAL CHANGE does not manifest itself until results are realized. This is the turning point of BECOMING the NEW you.

The manta" Fake it till you make it" is actually true to the degree that true change is not realized until RESULTS are actualized. The process in between or APPLICATION OF CONCEPT is the fakin' it.

Every true producer of life at one point needed to endure significant change. This also began with a thought. This thought with decision led to action. The habit of actions led to results. The actualized result created the NEW MAN.

ACTION is where the real problem lies for most AFC's. Thoughts, concepts, ideas and decisions do not mean a damn thing without APPLICATION.
 

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guru1000 said:
... The habit of actions led to results. The actualized result created the NEW MAN.
This is what I'm experiencing now, changing habits. It's crazy, how much you can drift through life just doing the same thing in the same way. Then you get burned, and you come here and you hear "change this and change that" and you start but there can be an amazing amount of resistance to any sort of change. Even bad habits, are familiar, therefore comfortable, even if damaging. Sometimes I find I have to force myself to do certain things, I don't really want to--but I know that's the only option. It can be tiring.

Chage is fun and stimulating, but there are cycles where it's exhausting, and kind of scary too. I believe it's your "ego" fighting like hell to keep you stuck in the familiar patterns. Then you may revert, even sabatoge your own progress, the ego battling for its life.

Over time you fight through it and it gets easier. But this isn't something you turn on like a light-switch. There's great, positive advice on this forum but it takes real dedication, self-discipline to follow. Self-discipline is a big one for me. I just know I don't have a choice, but to fight that resistance.

You just have to know there's a payoff, and that the journey is just as important. It's not so much being the DJ but what happens to you along the way.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
There is a saying that AFCs are like a bunch of crabs in a barrel. As soon as one is about to climb out there are always half a dozen ready to pull him back in again. Add to this a self-doubt from societal conditionings that tell him to stay the same, not to aspire to more, he's doing it right, and it's amazing that any AFC becomes a DJ. They tell him he's compensating, and in a way they're right, but for the wrong reason. PUA skills, DJ psychology, Positive Masculinity are all compensations for deficiencies. They go beyond behavior modification - that's the easy answer. PUAs teach a set of behaviors and scripts to be aped in order to mask a deficit. These are easy pickings for the JBY reasonists because they are actions that generally don't match a person's prior personality. They're not "really" like that, so they're posers, or worse, they've been duped by guys hawking the PUA brand of self-help tools. What they don't see is the genuine desire to change and the reasons for it.

When we compensate, we improvise, we fake it till we make it; but who determines when we've stopped faking it? We do.
And this is what I consider the "Societal ****block". Oftentimes it's not so much a man is not being himself when he changes or improves as he's breaking free of the shackles that other's have put on him. And he's actually being his truer self, and not the old "self" others influenced him into being. Human nature is a funny thing, it loathes a great guy who is broke and without women, but basically would worship the same guy or a worse guy if he has money and women.
 

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You know, Aristotle noted that Virtue is a habit about 2000 years before Anthony Robbins ;-)

If you look at great men of history, they preach the same gospel: you are what you DO. I just read something similar by Ben Franklin in The Way to Wealth.

Sir Richard Branson had a similar comment recently, noting that Virgin is all about doing NEW things -- taking NEW risks -- going places they have NOT gone before... change the story from a business seeking profit to a man seeking pvssy and it's the same story. You can always rewrite that business plan. It's never too late to try something new.

"I conclude, therefore that, fortune being changeful and mankind steadfast in their ways, so long as the two are in agreement men are successful, but unsuccessful when they fall out. For my part I consider that it is better to be adventurous than cautious, because fortune is a woman, and if you wish to keep her under it is necessary to beat and ill-use her; and it is seen that she allows herself to be mastered by the adventurous rather than by those who go to work more coldly. She is, therefore, always, woman-like, a lover of young men, because they are less cautious, more violent, and with more audacity command her."

Nicolò Machiavelli, The Prince (1512)
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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guru1000 said:
The old Napolean Hill cliche "As you think, you become" or Anthony Robbins "You are a Net of your habits".

The key to behavioral change starts with a thought. That thought progresses to a concept. With continual application of this concept , a NEW you may be born.

The REAL CHANGE does not manifest itself until results are realized. This is the turning point of BECOMING the NEW you.

The manta" Fake it till you make it" is actually true to the degree that true change is not realized until RESULTS are actualized. The process in between or APPLICATION OF CONCEPT is the fakin' it.

Every true producer of life at one point needed to endure significant change. This also began with a thought. This thought with decision led to action. The habit of actions led to results. The actualized result created the NEW MAN.

ACTION is where the real problem lies for most AFC's. Thoughts, concepts, ideas and decisions do not mean a damn thing without APPLICATION.

Yes I think it's kind of analogous to an automotive designer building a concept car. And then everyone says "it's a fake car". But after several changes, revisions and testing the designer reaches the final product. He can then reap the rewards of his effort and people will buy his product.
 

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One of the best posts (along with the responses) I've read.

JBY is one of the worst pieces of advice if "being yourself" is not getting you the results you want-whether it be with a job, your finances, or your social life. And it's a phrase that's dropped regularly when people are confused about what to do. Not only is not constructive and more or less useless, it's usually counter productive to solving problems or creating change that brought about the contemplation in the first place.

Besides-without getting too philosophical- what is "the self"? It's a series of attitudes, beliefs, learned behaviors, some genetic traits, comfort zones, etc- that is in a constant state of flux, as you experience new things in life (and even most of the genetic ones will change in time). There is nothing static about it- you can direct it, or it can subconsciously direct you.

This post really address a issues for DJ's in training that I really like, and routinely come up.

It squashes the JBY "myth". If being yourself sucks, absolutely do NOT be yourself.

I see posts-especially from younger guys- who are in obvious conflict about what they feel comfortable doing and whether or not it's congruent with who they think they are. Remember, change is a law of the universe. You may try certain elements that may or may not move you toward your goal-some will work, some won't feel "right" for you. Some that don't feel right for you now, will make more sense for you later on. That's totally ok. Keep in mind, you're applying them to who you are right now, and that will not be exactly the same person you are a year from now. So keep an open mind.

FWIW- the crab analogy is well know in Hawaiian lore, called the Legend of the O hiki crab.
 

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Chage is fun and stimulating, but there are cycles where it's exhausting, and kind of scary too. I believe it's your "ego" fighting like hell to keep you stuck in the familiar patterns. Then you may revert, even sabatoge your own progress, the ego battling for its life.
Old habits are very hard to break.

The truth of the matter is we are all motivated by Pain/Pleasure. We are more likely to travel the avenue of pleasure than endure the road of pain.

Old habits being very familiar to us is where we feel COMFORTABLE. Feeling comfortable in your own skin is alot EASIER than making a change into the UNKNOWN.

The UNKNOWN is the biggest fear of MAN which can create such PAIN, no wonder we revert back to old habits.

This is why I always say "Grab Your Nuts".

It takes courage to drop an old FAMILIAR COMFORTABLE habit and tenaciously PURSUE a new one. This courage is APPLICATION.

This is the FOUNDATION of CHANGE. To go against your GUT, ignore the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE and pursue the road of higher ground (APPLICATION) is the Difference that makes the Difference.
 

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guru1000 said:
Old habits are very hard to break.
To follow up on this point which I agree...Old perceptions are hard to break. As was stated very well in 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, Guard your reputation with your life.

It is easier to deal with a bad conscience than with a bad reputation
Most folks who knew me in high school refuse to believe I can even talk to girls. It is amazing talking to them now after not seeing them for a decade; they simply believe I am lying when I said I got X's number, or hooked up with a girl during an outing. Most folks who have only known me now have no idea why I am single, and can't believe I never talked to girls.

These changes do not come easily. Old Habits are hard to break, old reputations are hard to shed. Most folks who set forth to change themselves for the better and end up quitting. The average person has a hard time admitting to themselves some people actually have enough work ethic and will power to change themselves for the better. More over, they refuse to acknowledge those who have.
 

Peace and Quiet

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Yep I've always hated that phrase "People don't (or can't) change".

Its horse sh!t as people can and do change.

It is very possible to change ones life.

It just takes a decision then action and purpose.
 

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I am a Just Be Yourself reasonist.

And I always believed that people don't change.

But now, I am not so sure.

Fvck.
 

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Im currently seeing an above average tall, very gorgeous blond woman.

Im trying to make sense of how I bagged her....but really enjoying the fact that I have. Many thanks to the knowledge and information posted here.

The woman Im dating probably prefers a much taller man. Im at the bottom end of her "range". But the interest level (from her) is way high.

I'd have to say....because of what I've read here, I've been able to shed this robe of insecurity....the cloak of fear. Its a weighty garment....it sheilds against the real person inside....the one that is attractive.

If you are this geeky, insecure person, don't be yourself. Shed yourself of these robes....rather, expose your true self. There is much to be gained by being your true self....once you realize the admirable qualites and bring them to the fore front.

At our core, we are men.
We *are* competitive;
we *are* masculine;
we *are* thoughtful;
we *are* logical;
we *are* leaders;
we *are* protectors;
we *are* providers.

We are sexual beings; We are courageous and brave.

Fears and self perceived inadequacies cloak these virtues. These are valued...by friends and lovers.

You *can* use techniques and canned narratives, but if you can't make them yours, then don't. If you can't own the perception you put out, then you'll probably have short term gains and long term failures. Its *easier* being true to your self, your *true* self, than acting and portraying a false sense of bravado.

If what you *are* isn't working, then change and become the person you should be to achieve what you want. And you decide what you want.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
.... You see, in so many ways we all compensate for deficiencies. ....
That alone was worth the read, a lot of truth in very few words.
 

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samspade said:
I think a lot of learning and practicing DJ principles involves "outsmarting" yourself, by running an end-around the previous b.s. you've been taught and conditioned throughout your life.
This is probably the best explanation I've seen as it relates to applying the principals.

It's only once you get out of your own head long enough to try new things that you can prove your previous conditioning right or wrong. If you can't get out of your own head, all you do is talk yourself out of everything. Anyone who has ever thought "I wish I was just a little dumber so I wouldn't worry so much about ______(insert basically anything)" can relate.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
You see, in so many ways we all compensate for deficiencies.
Great post, Rollo. It's too bad we are taught from day one, and all too often, to compensate for deficiencies. After several years of dating and career experimentation I've attained far more success focusing on strengths.

Another factor so far not discussed is maturity. The example of the guy in the weight room - on face value it looks like he is overcompensating...but the truth is more that he hasn't had enough life experience and its resultant maturity to realize that his strength, and subsequently his value to women, may lie somewhere else. The reason women love successful older men is that they have life experience. They have had more time to find their calling in life, to explore their strengths and weaknesses.

Basically, are you a great writer? Write. A great artist? Paint. Musically inclined? Play an instrument. Great with animals? Own several dogs and train them. Good at sports? Join a league.

From my experience anyway...this is what attracts.
 

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"Be weary of the company you keep."

It has been something I kept in mind for a long time. But, in regards to becoming a "DJ", sometimes it's overlooked. We tend to look at obstacles and roadblocks to justify our failures. Instead, we should look for justification for our success. It's a matter of thinking positively or negatively.

Using the height example, I am 5'7". Now, I wasn't going to buy a simple "short guys are at a disadvantage with women" social stigma. Instead, I decided to check the company I kept. Frank Sinatra, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Cruise, and James Dean (too name just a few) were all 5'7"-5'8". Now, did THEY have any problem with the ladies? No... then it's settled. I'm in good company height-wise and it's a non-issue. I've effectively justified my success.

Do I need to somehow "compensate"? No. Many try to, but, many fail because their mindset is what is preventing them from achieving their success. Instead of attempting to compensate, people should discount their "weaknesses". Because, really, many "weaknesses" are nothing but "out of the ordinary". And, of course, the "unsuccessful, unhappy" sheep want you in the flock... safety in numbers.

I think a lot of learning and practicing DJ principles involves "outsmarting" yourself, by running an end-around the previous b.s. you've been taught and conditioned throughout your life.
That's well put, samspade.

There is a certain "switch" that needs to flip that results in a change of thinking. I too believe that [becoming a DJ] involves a breaking from what you "knew" or how you used to think and thinking around a lot of the popular hustles that you previously bought into.

As RT summarized, the only person "holding you back" is you.

When you can cut out the need to compensate from your personality...
 

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You see, in so many ways we all compensate for deficiencies
Isn't that why people are reading this board? To make up for what they naturally do not have?
 

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NewMan said:
Isn't that why people are reading this board? To make up for what they naturally do not have?
If you mean "knowledge"...

I would say people are reading the board to learn things they did not know. I wouldn't say men aren't good with women naturally, and that they need to compensate with knowledge, however.

Instead, I would say that societal influences have interfered with a man's natural ability. Therefore, men come here to learn how they've been mislead by their culture, learn how to undo the damage, and to learn how to avoid future interference with what would and should already be a "natural" interaction.
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

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