Zen and the art of DJ Parenting

I was having a conversation with my brother, Victory Unlimited, earlier today and he had a wonderful suggestion about starting a thread regarding the dynamics of being a Don Juan and a Parent. This got me thinking about my responsibilities to my daughter and my points of view with women, relationships and, most importantly, our perpetual growth as men in this age and her role as a DJ-ette.

Firstly, Li'l K is 13 and at a point in her life when she is figuring out who she is and her responsibility with mapping out her paths for the future. One of these paths is obviously males. I'd like to point out that her Mother and I are extremely aware of our own BOUNDARY RESPECT and have taught her this lesson. True her awareness is still in it's infancy but she's honing it to a very fine point daily.

She learns by our example which is vastly superior to any type of strict disciplinarianism because she not only sees the end result but garners our respect by walking the walk.

One thing I'm dismayed with is how much more information young people are clubbed over the head with these days. The onlslaught of television, internet, magazines and even walking around the mall will lead those whom aren't schooled to become mindless zombies. This is one of our worries as parents; the abundance of Britney Spears type garbage funneled into the brain of our youth. And it's not going to get any better.

You brothers who have kids or future Fathers, please do yourselves a favor and keep yourselves at the top of your game. This is why I and other grounded, educated in the ways of the world, men must perpetuate our own confidence and maturity. This is what we breed. It is our responsibility to help shatter the mold of doldrums people are wrapped up so tightly in.

You know, we complain incessantly about the state of relationships now but so few step up to make any necessary changes in order for a new aeon to emerge. This is what our kids lack. They lack the discipline to think for themselves instead of being forcefed what society thinks is best.

Mrs. K and I pride ourselves on our acceptance of change and cherish our role as Parents. We look forward to our child's development and give her the freedom to make mistakes. It's this freedom which will allow her to exponentially grow in mind and spirit.

13 year olds don't have freedom - they should be disciplined and guided to maturity by their parents! Being married is the first example to set for a child - and because pre-marital sex is being pushed everywhere then the parents must be the ones to go against this barrage of deviancy!!

This is not the 1950's anymore Pops. The world has evolved into a much more open dynamic. We have computers now and cars that run on rotten tomatoes. There are even airplanes which can circumnavigate the globe in 2 days.

Ozzie and Harriet are dead and gone. This same puritanistic thinking is what gets people into more trouble. You can't apply the paradigm of yesterday with today's modalities.

Listen kid, our masculine and feminine genetic selves do not change!! We are eternal - what you describe is change in the outer form but our intrinsic human nature remains, as always! So I'm telling you to approach her from her intrinsic nature as a female and NOT from the new-age technocratic information age matrix shyt -- that shyt is peripheral - seek the root of humanity and guide from such!!

Do you have any children? I don't think you have a rational stance otherwise.

You seriously believe that we should teach our kids the same ideals today as back in your time? If so, you're sorely mistaken because the Matrix has evolved whether you want to live in it or not.

KarmaSutra said:

Do you have any children? I don't think you have a rational stance otherwise.

You seriously believe that we should teach our kids the same ideals today as back in your time? If so, you're sorely mistaken because the Matrix has evolved whether you want to live in it or not.

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Whether I have kids is not the issue - if I have 5 kids you would still be against what I stated and if I had no kids you would still not agree with me!!

It is not about "ideals" or "time" - it is about our natures as humans - as defined by our masculine and feminine natures! Our genetic natures have a "code" - this instructional code is integral to understanding the human behavior of the male and female! Things between the sexes were doing fine, generally speaking, but recently we have fallen into chaos!! Now, are you going to follow the contrived machinations of the mass influence of the media and thus this corrupt culture? Or, are you going to follow our natural design, made for our harmonic existence amongst the sexes? You chose!!

Last Man Standing said:

It is not about "ideals" or "time" - it is about our natures as humans - as defined by our masculine and feminine natures! Our genetic natures have a "code" - this instructional code is integral to understanding the human behavior of the male and female!

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True. Within our genetic code our bodies breathe and pump blood all without our conscious efforts. This is indesputable. However, evolution dictates change whether you want to get out of the Matrix or not.

Things between the sexes were doing fine, generally speaking, but recently we have fallen into chaos!! Now, are you going to follow the contrived machinations of the mass influence of the media and thus this corrupt culture? Or, are you going to follow our natural design, made for our harmonic existence amongst the sexes? You chose!!

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These contrived machinations are anything but contrived. Reality is what it is. In order to wake up from our collective Matrices the first step is to acknowledge that we don't know anything. We have to build upon our own experiences in order to pass the knowledge forward. Even you, asleep, have to know this.

This thread is about Parents and our interaction with our childrens' developments. If you have no kids, you have no reference to speak of.

And yes, it does make a huge difference.

Your mind is being warped by a false philosophy!! Humans are the factors in change, not evolution!! Wake-up the monkey matrix has you!!

Reality is what it is. In order to wake up from our collective Matrices the first step is to acknowledge that we don't know anything. We have to build upon our own experiences in order to pass the knowledge forward. Even you, asleep, have to know this.

Welll let me in my "dream" state enlighten you! If we don't know anything then how can we have knowledge to pass on? We are more than our own experiences -- knowledge and wisdom is beyond the self -- otherwise why ask for other's input?

I know more about children then you would ever know!! I was a child once!

Last Man Standing said:

I was a child once!

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Once?

Obviously you haven't read what I wrote. You merely skimmed the surface.

I'm just trying to help - but since you have a certain philosophy by which you abide by and I have a different view to this philosophy then you negate everything I say - so be it! I just say look at the fvcked reality of teenagers today which hold to your evolution construct - this shyt is destructive to the mind, body, and spirit - see reality for what it is!

Last Man Standing said:

I'm just trying to help - but since you have a certain philosophy by which you abide by and I have a different view to this philosophy then you negate everything I say - so be it! I just say look at the fvcked reality of teenagers today which hold to your evolution construct - this shyt is destructive to the mind, body, and spirit - see reality for what it is!

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Goddamnit! This is exactly what I'm saying! I'm not negating what you say. I just have a different path of getting to the same end.

Reality is purely subjective to the individual. The way I process the information I recieve is vastly different than yours BECAUSE of our experiences. This you can't argue with Last Man.

KarmaSutra said:

Goddamnit! This is exactly what I'm saying! I'm not negating what you say. I just have a different path of getting to the same end.

Reality is purely subjective to the individual. The way I process the information I recieve is vastly different than yours BECAUSE of our experiences. This you can't argue with Last Man.

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Ok, this I understand!

But reality, in the broad societal sense, is not subjective. So what I'm saying is look at what "society" has wrought on the young generation - havoc and destruction. So, you should not look at the current times that we are in for your direction, but look at our genetic make-up as a male and female and seek understanding from this! Our natures have not changed but the societal cultural influences have - so who/what are you going to trust for guidance? I say look at the long standing genetic code of instruction for guidance and not the temporal construct of the current day matrix - let the natural order of things be your instruction manual to guide your offspring and NOT the contrivances of the day!

I know you mean well for your child - who doesn't! But we have been manipulated to go against our natural selves through modern day mass media and influences!! You have to see this manipulation, don't you?

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Anyways, the important thing is to point out that rigid discipline, if that what you advocating, could very much backfire. Applying to parenthood (Confucism very much focus on with filial piety), all it might breed is contempt and evasion without the understanding of the why the wrong path is wrong. Just pointing it out. I don't think just allowing to make mistake works either, I mean look at this forum, many point out of women and their mistakes, they don't seem to learn from it.

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I practice discipline through example, which I succinctly stated in my opening. Allowing well constructed children freedom to make decisions based on rationality and not emotion is a vital tool in my toolbox and one which I wield like Thor's Hammer.

Giving kids free reign to do what they want will create monsters or worse, hippies.

Last Man Standing said:

Ok, this I understand!

But reality, in the broad societal sense, is not subjective. So what I'm saying is look at what "society" has wrought on the young generation - havoc and destruction. So, you should not look at the current times that we are in for your direction, but look at our genetic make-up as a male and female and seek understanding from this! Our natures have not changed but the societal cultural influences have - so who/what are you going to trust for guidance? I say look at the long standing genetic code of instruction for guidance and not the temporal construct of the current day matrix - let the natural order of things be your instruction manual to guide your offspring and NOT the contrivances of the day!

I know you mean well for your child - who doesn't! But we have been manipulated to go against our natural selves through modern day mass media and influences!! You have to see this manipulation, don't you?

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Absolutely! You and I see eye to eye on this Papa. Mass marketing and advertising has created a culture of robots instead of rational, free thinkers. Being a loner is somehow frown upon because you don't subscribe to the media for every answer to life's questions.

But you cannot deny that our genetic makeup has evolved exponentially within the Baby Boomers and Generation NeXt. This is scientifically proven. We have faster reflexes, more mental capacity and an unusually high tolerance to information. Thusly, we have to adjust to it in order to understand it.

KarmaSutra said:

I practice discipline through example, which I succinctly stated in my opening. Allowing well constructed children freedom to make decisions based on rationality and not emotion is a vital tool in my toolbox and one which I wield like Thor's Hammer.

Giving kids free reign to do what they want will create monsters or worse, hippies.

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Exactly!! As stated, you set the example through marriage - commitment, and by you being the authority figure - as men should!! This is a positive role for your daughter because she will view men as she views you - her father, the authority figure!! Your words and actions are the most important influence in her life, because you lead by example!!

Now, let's use logic here. Does the the mass media and their corrupt i messages in their movies and television care about your child? NO!!! Do those in the music distribution industry care about her? NO!!! What is their message?? Corruption!!

Do those in her school care? NO!!!! Guess what? These are where the children are getting their guidance from!!! Their message is one of deceit and corruption!!! You, as a parent, must go against this guile and corruption!!!!

KarmaSutra said:

...But you cannot deny that our genetic makeup has evolved exponentially within the Baby Boomers and Generation NeXt. This is scientifically proven. We have faster reflexes, more mental capacity and an unusually high tolerance to information. Thusly, we have to adjust to it in order to understand it.

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No, this is what you have seen because it is evident to you in your lifetime --but our potential was always there -- it is our potential that determines our abilities - just because you haven't seen it in other generations or cultures, in the last thousands of years, doesn't mean it didn't exist!! It is our human potential that creates our limits and not what we personally see or experience!!

Last Man Standing said:

Now, let's use logic here. Does the the mass media and their corrupt i messages in their movies and television care about your child? NO!!! Do those in the music distribution industry care about her? NO!!! What is their message?? Corruption!!

Do those in her school care? NO!!!! Guess what? These are where the children are getting their guidance from!!! Their message is one of deceit and corruption!!! You, as a parent, must go against this guile and corruption!!!!

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So fvcking true! Every word. Noone gives a good goddamn about my child's future but US. As long as she can be manipulated in working her ass off to buy sh!t she doesn't need the status quo will smile all the way to the bank.

We teach her the value of the dollar and the work that goes into making it. This is an extremely valuable lesson.

You know PRL, when you take your Geritol smoothie you're fvcking rational as hell! You and I could banter on forever like this and it would make me happy.
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LMS makes some good points, though his views are a bit irrational.

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If we all followed the code of nature and adhered to LMS' principles, we would be married at the mating age (13-16). This is the age that nature decided we should be capable of reproducing. But our social and technological evolution is outpacing our physical. This particular detail is not about feminists or the "Hor Matrix". It's about the fact that we no longer die at 40 or have this urgency to mate so young. Society has a bigger learning curve now too.. its not about hunting and planting crops anymore, even though that's what our genes are most accustomed to. Our orientation period is much longer now, thanks to how complicated everything is.

Having said that, I agree that there are certain ideals we should hold on to.. and that we should not let society raise our kids for us. I'm no parent yet, but growing up with seriously screwed up friends has shown me that young folks need limits placed on them. It seems that today's parents do not understand the value and importance of discipline. Your child does not need your friendship as much as the guidance and boundaries you set for them.

As a footnote to all this, I am surprised that LMS does not have kids. Someone who rants on and on about the natural order of things surely understands that nature intended us to be fruitful and multiply. It's a decision I certainly respect, as parenthood should never be taken lightly, but it throws me off to see people not put into practice what they constantly preach.

LMS, I know this is personal territory, but why the decision to remain fatherless? Why deny yourself this natural role? If you really believe what your signature says, then why have you not attracted a quality woman with whom you could build a family with?

I love LMS AND Fingz. I like how they butt heads, too. Hee hee.

By the way, GOOD questions, Fingz!!!

Wow - what a thread! Incredibly mind blowing, educational, enlighting, etc. I can go on forever!

That question on having kids or not is PERSONAL, however, hearing certain individuals reasons could be beneficial for some, such as myself.

LMS - I would love to hear you share (if you choose not too, I understand and respect your decision).