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I am starting this new thread from another ‘cause we got off topic, but I would like to get everyone’s opinion on this. I believe IWillReturnSoon brought up some good points from his Direct Approach. I put in my 2cents on why I don’t like the DA mentioned, but I can see his side.

I actually would like to have more views on this DA style.

Here is the link to the thread we started on.


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=128919
 

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Zero,

the haters of the direct approach are the ones who have no success with it, because they come off desperate and chumpish when they tell a girl she is beautiful. However someone with ridiculous confidence can waltz up to a two girls and open them by saying "wats up girls, i have literally come over to tell u all how beautiful and gorgeous you are.......(and then point to each one and say the following) "YOU are beautiful and YOU are gorgeous"

i opened up 2 girls like this when in Montreal just randomly on the street........they both lit up and we had a 5 minute convo while walking, i would have easily # closed but i was on vacation and the only chance i coulda had to hook up with them was to invite them to my room LOL SKETCHY......well they didtn go for that, for obvious reasons, but still

by the way, when u compliment a girl like that, she'll usually compliment u back, unless ur ugly

and if ur ugly, dont even bother cold approaching!!! ur best bet is to get hooked up thru your social circle or simply by lowering your standards
 
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ToughLove said:
Zero,

and if ur ugly, dont even bother cold approaching!!! ur best bet is to get hooked up thru your social circle or simply by lowering your standards
Or just wait until it's dark.
 

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Here is my dilemma about it. Did you at least get any eye contact first? Is this the beginning of a PUSH & PULL? If she doesn't seem flattered do you move right in with a NEG?

I liked the one where you approached both friends with Beautiful and Gorgeous because you engaged with both girls and it is C/F. Plus it makes the girls feel that special something else. "Why am I gorgeous and not Beautiful" Visa Versa, and than they start to wonder which one is better. The only person with the answer is you.

But to just go up and profess your complete admiration for her physical traits to me seems weak. Why not approach less confronting and use more of the other methods?


I think if this is the way you first approach as a Newbie than go for it, if it is just a way for you to actually talk to a girl. I don't think it would be the best way to PU if you had other skills. Again; I am not saying a different version of this couldn't work. Just not this direct and all about her being beautiful.
 

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Def agree with Toughlove on this one.
But Zero...if she's not flattered...why even try to neg her? Look at her body language, if its attention is still on u or its exaggerately non-interested(Purposefully) then that means we just got to persist...since its just resistence.

Girls need you to like them for more than their looks.
As quoted from GGTW.....but i have to disagree with him saying that its absolute. Some girls simply deep down just want to be wanted for their looks...heck..some think all they need is their looks without having to worry about them having a personality....hence some hot girls out there.
 

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And about MAVEC....u can use it right at the start and in the day time. Girls want to be looked at in a naughty manner(i do tend to repeat myself O:) )..and if they seem non-relaxed...MONEY!!!!even better...as its something they don't expect...which is good. Freaking out is the wrong word. Uncomfortable/Shocked/Nervous is the right word. I would def try direct for a bit to see what happens. Just remember...this doesn't have to be as hard as some other guys make it out to be. Keep it simple and don't overanalyze :). Good Luck son!
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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OK let’s say you Caveman in there with out calibrating the girl/group and supplicate yourself by praising her beauty. Without any PAIMAI armed only with Sub-Communication and you actually get her to smile and eat it all up... She could just be a AW! Even if she shows DDB, where is the Rapport?

If you #close it is probably going to be wood, unless you pull something out of your hat after this kinda DA.

What I am saying is: If you DA like this what is the next move to either capitalize on the SHOCK, or counter the WITHDRAW?
 

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Found another Hall of Famer that covers this:

http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000511.html

If you read the whole thing you will see on the second page how DontheLegand adapted this approach to not supplicate him self.

I like this topic.... as you can tell!

(zero talks to himself)...*weird*:whistle:
 

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Once again, Calling a beautiful girl is just stating the obvious.

They hear it all the time, it doesnt spark ATTRACTION.

Oh sure you can argue "How many chumps say it like CHUMPS, you gota go say it in a CONFIDENT way!"

Guess what bros, it's your confidence that is attracting them and with that confidence it doesn't really matter what you say.

With that said, I personally do not like to go complimenting a woman just because she was lucky enough to be BORN with something. If i throw out a compliment upon meeting, it will usually deal with style or physique.



Compliments mean a lot more when you had to do something to earn them. For me that was losing weight. I LOVE getting comments about how I'm not a fattie anymore.
 

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^Wisdom!
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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nicenomore said:
zerocelcius


http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000511.html

in this one the DA was based on looks , and Kev07 says (which you second) tha telling it to a lovely girl will not spark attraction...

how do you explain the difference??
Didn't you post that a while back with a title like "It's funny when its the HB that gets all flusterred!" or something?:rockon:
 

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Seeing thier face light up like a Christmas Tree is when you know you've done a correct direct approach, with the right body language, right tonality, and with confidence.

The guys that would rather use indirect openers don't have the balls to approach a 9 or 10 directly, and neither do most so called "PUA's" they use some lame "opinion opener"

Want to "DHV"? Walk up to a straight up dime, and confidently tell her that you think she is gorgeous, and that you would like to get to know her. Not in a "you're so hot, I would do anything to be with you" type of way, but with a confident state of mind, like "That ass is mine, and I'm going to go take it"

Most guys here can't/won't do it, so they denegrate those who do and can.

Trust me, when done correctly, a Direct approach works better than any "method" I've seen or done, and I've been in the "community" for 10 years.

PU is not complicated. You don't have to "Peacock" or learn the M3 model, or NLP, or "The Cube" or "Cold reads" or any of those gimmicks, tricks and such.

And, if you don't believe me, try it for yourself, then listen to the feedback you get from the women who tell you how awesome it is to have a guy approach them in such a direct, straight-forward manner, instead of using some lame opinion opener when she damn well knows why you are approaching her, and it's not because you care about "who lies more, men or women?"

Actually, many women will categorize you as an "AFC" when you use an indirect approach because you don't have the balls to approach her directly, when she damn well knows why you are approaching her.

And if you're worried about "giving away your power" then you never had any to begin with.

I've had 9s and 10s literally shake and tremble, and say "Oh my god" when approaching them directly.

Who do you think has the "power" in that interaction?

And at that point, she's already yours.

Think you'll get that type of reaction by asking her if she saw the two girls fighting outside over some guy? Or some other overused community opener?

And, it's not just about the approach, it's how you conduct yourself after the approach as well. Being direct. No games. No negs. No Cube. None of that BS

I would also recommend reading "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie.

Do a search. It's a $20.00 ebook and will open your eyes to what is possible when dropping the games and the BS

Games are for women.
 

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Derek Flint said:
Seeing thier face light up like a Christmas Tree is when you know you've done a correct direct approach, with the right body language, right tonality, and with confidence.

The guys that would rather use indirect openers don't have the balls to approach a 9 or 10 directly, and neither do most so called "PUA's" they use some lame "opinion opener"

Want to "DHV"? Walk up to a straight up dime, and confidently tell her that you think she is gorgeous, and that you would like to get to know her. Not in a "you're so hot, I would do anything to be with you" type of way, but with a confident state of mind, like "That ass is mine, and I'm going to go take it"

Most guys here can't/won't do it, so they denegrate those who do and can.

Trust me, when done correctly, a Direct approach works better than any "method" I've seen or done, and I've been in the "community" for 10 years.

PU is not complicated. You don't have to "Peacock" or learn the M3 model, or NLP, or "The Cube" or "Cold reads" or any of those gimmicks, tricks and such.

And, if you don't believe me, try it for yourself, then listen to the feedback you get from the women who tell you how awesome it is to have a guy approach them in such a direct, straight-forward manner, instead of using some lame opinion opener when she damn well knows why you are approaching her, and it's not because you care about "who lies more, men or women?"

Actually, many women will categorize you as an "AFC" when you use an indirect approach because you don't have the balls to approach her directly, when she damn well knows why you are approaching her.

And if you're worried about "giving away your power" then you never had any to begin with.

I've had 9s and 10s literally shake and tremble, and say "Oh my god" when approaching them directly.

Who do you think has the "power" in that interaction?

And at that point, she's already yours.

Think you'll get that type of reaction by asking her if she saw the two girls fighting outside over some guy? Or some other overused community opener?

And, it's not just about the approach, it's how you conduct yourself after the approach as well. Being direct. No games. No negs. No Cube. None of that BS

I would also recommend reading "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie.

Do a search. It's a $20.00 ebook and will open your eyes to what is possible when dropping the games and the BS

Games are for women.
that's how naturals game women and that's the way it should be done. If u really think about it. Trying to learn all this "seduction material" and learning canned lines is just you being a masked AFC that is afraid to show his intentions.

Sometimes we are too worried about the tools we don't have that we forget to use the tools that we do have!
 

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