mature man YES but where are the mature women?

All I seem to come across are immature, selfish, ME-ME-ME girls who just want to play games, and only talking point is themselves: not very interesting. The only thing these girls do have is that they are hot.
As a mature man, I find this very frustrating. Part of the problem could be that I'm pickin my girls based on looks. I envision a girl who is both good looking / classy / and mature and who actually gives a sh!t, is caring, loving.

Anyone had any experience with such girls. Do mature women exist? What age bracket would i have to be lookin @?

Thanks guys.


I'm 24. But this is a mature man post so this is where it should go.

swifTy said:

As a mature man, I find this very frustrating. Part of the problem could be that I'm pickin my girls based on looks. I envision a girl who is both good looking / classy / and mature and who actually gives a sh!t, is caring, loving.

Anyone had any experience with such girls. Do mature women exist? What age bracket would i have to be lookin @?

Thanks guys.


I'm 24. But this is a mature man post so this is where it should go.

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>If you ask me, I put looks second; always have. (second to intelligence/ability/money making power/etc). "character/integrity" is also HUGE too, as is her fiscal responsibility. IMO, a woman can "look" good enough, and then in my mind, the box is checked so-to-speak. The person behind that skin is what matters the most, by a long shot.*

>Where to look for mature/intelligent ones? Off the cuff, i'd say colleges/universities, and "ritzy" churches (if you live in the south).

*That is, unless you're out to just get a little bit of pvssy. And hey, I've got nothing against just that... just be careful out there!

[/QUOTE]I envision a girl who is both good looking / classy / and mature and who actually gives a sh!t, is caring, loving.[/QUOTE]

Thats like asking for a two yolk egg. Now, how often do you get that?

swifTy said:

All I seem to come across are immature, selfish, ME-ME-ME girls who just want to play games, and only talking point is themselves: not very interesting. The only thing these girls do have is that they are hot.
As a mature man, I find this very frustrating. Part of the problem could be that I'm pickin my girls based on looks. I envision a girl who is both good looking / classy / and mature and who actually gives a sh!t, is caring, loving.

Anyone had any experience with such girls. Do mature women exist? What age bracket would i have to be lookin @?

Thanks guys.


I'm 24. But this is a mature man post so this is where it should go.

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The world of women; women at their best. Sad, Pathetic, True. Of all the female species, human females are by far the worst.

This is why you f*ck the living sh*t outta them; cumm all over their face, tits, stomach, back, make a total mess out of them, and get back to your business.

To be fair, there are plenty of GUYS out there who are the same way. People in general are immature...they stop growing and learning very early in life and let themselves fall into disrepair, thinking the world owes them something.

Women ARE more likely to turn out this way than men. The so-called "sexual revolution", that supposedly EMPOWERED women, really hurt them in more ways than it helped them. Now women who are attractive learn to manipulate their looks as their SOLE means of power. Extremely attractive women ALWAYS got suckered into this, but sex has become so much of a core aspect of today's society that even moderately attractive women are taught to manipulate it now.

The thing is...looks are what they are. You can dress up so much, but there isn't much room for personal growth in the realm of looks. So if they are your one will to power (as with most even semi-attractive women), you get derailed on the path of life relatively quickly.

When you look at society and people in their 20s and 30s, sex is billed by the media and society at-large as THE measuring stick of your worth in society. The smart ones know that sex ISN'T that...it's just a hobby. One you can take or leave. A universally enjoyed hobby, no doubt, but in the end, to hell what people think of you because of how many women you have or haven't laid.

This entire culture is becoming desensitized to sex, and it's starting to wake up from it, little by little. We had LSD and Marijuana in the 60s and 70s, Cocaine in the 80s, Ecstacy in the 90s, and Pvssy in the 21st century. Women live the lives of dealers. Glamorous and wealthy until they day they get "caught"...then their lives are virtually over.

squirrels said:

To be fair, there are plenty of GUYS out there who are the same way. People in general are immature...they stop growing and learning very early in life and let themselves fall into disrepair, thinking the world owes them something.

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I agree with this. Same amount of women can beatch equally as hard as we men do over us. Women battle over similar issues as well.

We complain about women’s looks over riding their personal being,however we ignore the fact that women see personal development as financial and comforts.

We prefer to be bitter about them, because they have not turned out the way we wanted them to be, at the same moment, the woman you are bitter over is bitter about you, because you haven’t turned out what she wanted you to be.

The irony is all I wanted to point at, nothing more, so enough said.

On the issue of where all the mature women are at. Buddy, they are rare, and they get less rare the older you get (surprise surprise), so why not just enjoy the pretty women while you still can before you start looking for mature women who most probable interest is marriage.

swifTy said:

I'm 24. But this is a mature man post so this is where it should go.

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What the ƒuck are you crying about? Mature Women? Is this the Dr. Phil/Oprah forum?

Nobody should really give a rip if a girl is mature or not. Being a man, it is your job to be mature for YOURSELF, and in doing so be mature enough for the both of you. You run the show.

So, when you're 32-34, and you're banging 20-23 year olds, maturity is a non-issue. And, if you happen across an 18 year old that wants to ƒuck... what are you going to do? Cry because they aren't mature? Nope - you're going to see how far they can neck it.

One day when you grow up and become a DJ, swifTy, you'll see that you can't ask for a perfect woman. It's an oxymoron, "perfect woman". You'll also see that women get away with sh¡t because they CAN. Their sense of entitlement stems from their upbringing and the western "golden püssy" culture. And püssy-whipped american men let these broads run roughshod all over them: reactive versus proactive.

:nono:

See, you have to TRAIN a woman how to act, just like you would a toddler or pet. Women will ƒuckaroundski all day long, like they are at a damn amusement park, until you hold them accountable. Women KNOW the rules, but they don't bother following them because there is no ACCOUNTABILTY. Men will still ƒuck them and give them half their sh¡t regardless of how they act.

So, you are at a crossroads, swifTy: make lemonade, or continue to cry about getting lemons. Proactive or Reactive? Negativity or Postivity?

swifTy said:

Do mature women exist? What age bracket would i have to be lookin @?

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You've got a lot of reading to do. First of all, you never date older women, regardless of what your kink/fetish is: this only perpetuates the "golden püssy" concept.

So, the age bracket you should be looking at is always "younger". And, yes, "mature women" exist. But, they will not mature until their biological clocks' alarms went off and they realized that they are fat, shriveled, wrinkled, and still single without children because their caustic attitudes have kept any potential suitors at bay, so they can't stay at the damn amusement park any longer.

I don't get shocked very often, though I can be fairly naive at times. But perhaps one of the most stunning revelations to me was when I got out of college and into the working world, I'd assumed women would be more mature than college. Ah, not true. As I got older, I was stunned that divorced women -- women who had supposedly been cheated on or treated badly -- would want a quality guy. Again, I was naive. These women gravitated back toward the same type of dude they divorced. Most people don't change because change is hard.

When I went to grad school I once again foolishly assumed the late 20's, 30's women in my program would be mature and solid. They all were either married to or gravitated toward losers and these women were some of the biggest game-players I've met in my life.

I dated some younger women at that time, some undergrads and frankly, it was refreshing. I didn't get game-played and guys I know younger than me dating them weren't gettng game-played and if they did, it was an accidental happening. The older women had perfected game-playing down to a science. I'm not just saying this to start a "young women are better thread." It's a fact.

I continually shocked at the immaturity and game-playing tactics of 30 and 40 and older women, divorced or not. They tell you they want change, something different than what they've married or dated ... 9 times out of 10 that's a lie.

Again, I'm still startled at that.

damm, vulpine with the rip.

for me the problem isn't getting laid. no problem with the younger ones either. its finding a girl that i can connect with. and not the mud like what vulpine describes. I long for something deeper, something real, something more. Perhaps I am the weird one? Now, I understand that if all the women are fukking around, having their cake and eating it too, stealing half your sh!t, running all ova u etc...how can u possible connect with that? heh- u don't. u tell 'em to fukk off. But therein lies the rub, if u actually want to connect. What is a guy to do?

U can say. bang more chikks. bcome a better man. get passions + hobbies. how about done, done and done.

If women don't mature til their dried up and useless thats dissapointin news. However that is the kind of perspective I was enquiring about.

Off the cuff, i'd say colleges/universities

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I go to university and the girls there are just as bad. stuck-up, selfish, drama queens. Hot? some are. Can I get a root? yes. Can u connect with these girls? no. They think they are the sh!t bc they're hot and they think they got a free pass.

I'm just dissapointed. It would be great to find somone 'worthy' to love and care for and to be treated with love and care in return and the positive effect that would have on your life. Harsh reality seems to be that u just can't experience that UNLESS wat Vulpine? you train the girl? fukkin hell! sad state of affairs.

Still...I asked for some perspective. thanks Vulpine.

thanks for everyone else who replied.

im still open to Dj guidance.

thanks Westcoaster.

thats some perspective rite there. not wat i wanted to hear. but sounds like the truth. fukkin b!tches.

swifTy said:

Harsh reality seems to be that u just can't experience that UNLESS wat Vulpine? you train the girl? fukkin hell! sad state of affairs.

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It is sad. Women are used to AFC's, dude. Spare the rod and spoil the child; they a kids in a candy store whose parent's never took them over their knee for making a scene or slapped their hands when they grabbed things. And now look, women are basically ƒucking retarded when it comes to interpersonal relations. Respect? Duh... what's that?

You have to start with a woman you vibe with well, whose voice you can stand and isn't a fatty, maybe even smells nice, and break her of her nasty habits. You have to show her how to act, what's right and wrong behavior. It sounds harder than it is, trust me. When the IL goes up, the shock collar goes on.

Which, coincidentally, actually increases IL even more: you show her things that no man has before.

WestCoaster said:

I dated some younger women at that time, some undergrads and frankly, it was refreshing. I didn't get game-played and guys I know younger than me dating them weren't gettng game-played and if they did, it was an accidental happening.

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I'll second that. It's been my experience that younger women play less games. I notice younger chics are easier to hook up with and bang. No walls. They're straight and to the point, and don't beat around the bush. They just go in for the kill, the way it should be done.

And, for christ's sake swifTy, stop with the texty games: they make you dumb and lazy.

You claim to be mature. How about you start writing like it? Wat is spelled "what"; u is spelled "you"; bc is spelled "because"; ova is spelled "over"; its is possesive whereas it's is a contraction of "it is"; til is spelled "until"; dissapointin is spelled "disappointing"; i is capitalized when speaking of yourself "I"; and sentences have a subject, a predicate, and begin with a capital letter.

This is just plain ignorant:

U can say. bang more chikks. bcome a better man. get passions + hobbies. how about done, done and done.

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Damn, I feel dirty reading your garbage. I feel like I'm reading some scratchings on a sh¡thouse wall at a truckstop. I've seen better spelling and grammar on a license plate.

F ur gon 2 abbr evrytg @ lst do dcnt jb. Sort of like Spanglish, it's like you are typing "txtglish".

I know it seems like I'm ripping on you, but this is relevant and crucial advice. If you went around saying "goo goo ga ga", do you think you'd be attracting mature women? If you were sounding like a ghetto retard, do you think you'd be attracting classy women? And selfish? Your lazy jibber-jabber spew is thrown down with no regard to the reader.

Like attracts like, and the devil is in the details.

Sound like a retard - are a retard - attract retards
Sound immature - perceived as immature - attract immature women
Appear less than classy - are less than classy - attract less-than-classy women
Do selfish things - are selfish - attract selfish women

See, your grievances are PERCEPTIONS. In your reading, pay extra special attention to the subject of "MIRRORING" and it's function in pick-up.

It is very apparent that you have a lot of reading to do. Refrain from posting for a while whilst you study and internalize the information here.

Texting, MySpace, Match.com, cell phones, pagers, etc., has sucked the testoserone out of men and taken cold approaching out of real life. Any old wimp can fire off a text or e-mail. Ask that same wimp to go cold approach that woman over there and today's "boy" breaks into a cold sweat.

Great post Vulpine ... old school to me means cold approaching. It's still the manly thing to do.

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Texting, MySpace, Match.com, cell phones, pagers, etc., has sucked the testoserone out of men and taken cold approaching out of real life. Any old wimp can fire off a text or e-mail. Ask that same wimp to go cold approach that woman over there and today's "boy" breaks into a cold sweat.

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Exactly!

i've dropped the whole "wanting a relationship" mindset. I held onto it and didn't want to let it go- the "ideal" of the loving relationship seems nice, but when you consider the girls your dealing with reality hits me smack in the face and i can tell its not going to work.

after giving the relatioship mindset the boot things have become a lot clearer and a lot easier. it really is a find 'em, **** 'em, then fukk 'em off kind of deal.

i cannot believe the amount of attitude girls have these days. Its crazy. lots of rude girls. Going through the checkout today, this girl was hot, but wow, before i even said anything it was as if she hated me. The rudeness of the girl totally stopped me from speaking to her. She threw the change at me, b!tchy look on face and then she looked at me *stared* as i walked out the door after not asking for her number. A simple smile and a hi from her and things would have been different.

I was at the uni, hangin with the boys. And one of 'em says hang on I've just got to go say "hi" to this chick that i know who was in the coffee shop. He goes on in there, theres a crowd of people, he says "hey HB" and waves, and she does nothing, no sign of recognition, no smile, no hello, and she just kind of humiliates him in front of lots of randoms and her friends and he leaves. can u say, rude? the guy just wanted to say hi. and she thought she was all so high and mighty as to not even say hi. i see this kind of crap everyday. girls just wanting there ego's stroked and love knockin men down. and then when we are in the lecture I see her eyeing him as he leaves. She had a kinda smirk on her face, but when she saw that he didn't look back, she almost looked like she wanted to cry. She does actually like the guy, but just too busy with the gay-ass games like SHE just HAS to do them- stupid.

recently i was with this chick. we went out on 3 occasions. had a great time everytime. lots of laughing. lots of fun. sex ensued. I had a brilliant time. So....just as things are going great u just know that a POWER MOVE is about to be made, or a game, or a sh!t test or something and sure enough it comes. I say "hey HB, you should come round to mine. I'll show you blah blah and we'll go do blah blah". She gives me this kinda smirk, says "No, i can't, I gotta study, I've got so much reading to do". I look at her- I know whats up. She's pulling a damm move on me. No way in a fit is she interested in doing her reading, and she sure as heck wouldn't choose that over a good time with me, So i calmly say "your such a liar" and i walk off. I ignore her for a week. She says hi to me and i ignore. Another week passes. She says "hey swifTY blah blah blah". Again I ignore. She comes and sees me later and says "hey you were ignoring me earlier"...."was I?"..."yeah you were"....I play it off "I don't remember doing that" blah blah blah. Then another week passes. By this time, the girl is giving me huge sh!t eating grins. She wants me to go over there and say hey. Heck if I do, I'd probably get laid. Will I? Most certainly not.

Dumb b!tch thinks she can play power moves and games and then expects guy to go back. Whats worse is, she's a hot girl, and i had a fun ass time with her. She could even make me laugh which is pretty rare in a girl. i guess girls just can't help themselves but to see if they can control you / sh!t test you. And its only in never going back to them that u can prove that you are the man and stand out amongst the crowd. ugh!

and if you do go back expect her to do it again. no thanks I'd rather not.

So its all left me thinking...i should just ignore women. don't even worry about them. pretend they don't even exist.

if i do engage one, i should just get the root, and then get out. Which is precisely what they claim to hate right?

It is ironic that i agree with them and i would love to partake in a loving relationship. but its best to keep such impulses at bay at least until she proves herself. Which, no girl is ever going to do, at least with the way women are these days. Which means no relationship ever for me, bc I will never let women pull bullsh!t moves.

I'm ranting i know. but please help me, I'm looking for answers.

Vulpine said:

Respect? Duh... what's that?

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A lot of the young (young used to be 18 yr old, now it's 26-27) don't know the word..., Because they haven't had to actually Work (don't know that word either) Hard (or that one) and couldn't do my job in the first hour of it (would be crying and peeing). A lot of them have Not taken good risks in their lives, everything but. They're sheltered, not risk-takers or risk-takers in the bad or easy way (drugs), and are in total darkness.

Women (some, very few) in church, is where you'll find the one you can connect with. But it's probably better if you meet her (first encounter) is outside of a church setting and just discover that she goes and studies etc. I know one who wants me but she doesn't quite hit me in the looks department (but by most men's standards she's almost supermodel - I, personally just don't go for Penelope Cruz types, I don't know, yet). This one holds two jobs, owns her own house and rents out another, And she's 4 years younger than me. Very sophisticated, thin, tall, dark complected, but the short dark brown or black hair is where she errors with me. I like the long (sometimes put-up or pony-tailed, wavy) dirty blond-type hair, I guess "*****-hair."

If I was smart I'd go for the one who wants me, but I always want the ones I can't get.