FR: 2 approaches at the mall.

Well, summers here and I'm not going to let that slow my game down. So today I went to the mall and approached 2 chicks. And let me tell you, at this mall atleast, it's hard to find a lot of chicks my age, that AREN'T with a boyfriend or with their parents. Anyway, here they go:

Approach #1
I see these chicks walking in the mall and I go up to them.

[Tap one girl on her shoulder]
Me: Hey, how's it going?
Girl: Oh, fine.
Me: So would you say it's going good?
Girl: Yeah.
Me: Hmm... well usually when a girl tells me that it means there in a bad mood or woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something.
Girl: No, I'm in a good mood.
Me: And why would you say you're in a good mood?
Girl: I don't know, I just am.
Me: So would you say it's hot out here?
Girl: Yes.
Me: So do you go to the beach?
Girl: Yeah.
Me: You look like the kind of girl---
[Girl 2 interrupts]
Girl: Well, I have to go.
Me: You have to go?
Girl: Yeah.

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Yeah, that approach sucked ass dude.

Approach # 2
Saw this hot chick working at some sort of counter and approached her.

Me: Hey, I'm doing a music survey and I was wondering, what kind of music do you listen to?
Her: Uh... I don't know. Probably pop and rock.
Me: Ah, I could see you as the kind of girl who gets home and then goes up stares, cranks up the stereo and starts dancing to that kind of stuff. Yeah, I bet you're a very freaky girl.
[She laughs]
Her: No, I'm not that kind of girl.
Me: You're not?
Her: No.
Me: So I got to tell you this funny story, I was at a track meet and I saw this dude who looked exactly like Jesus. I swear though, he had that long hair, the body and everything.
[She kind of laughs]
Me: So, why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself?
Her: Oh, well there's not much to say.
Me: So you're a boring girl? I play guitar and I'm going to be a rockstar, so maybe one day if I see you at one of my concerts I'll give you an autograph.
Her: What kind of music do you play?
Me: Oh, I play rock, jazz, a little bit of everything.
Me: Do you play any instruments?
Her: Nah, I'm not a very musical person.
Me: I see.
Me: So do you still go to school?
Her: No, I graduated.
Me: Really what college do you go to?
Her: Kent.
Me: Ah.
Her: Well, I have to get back to work.
Me: Say I never got your name, what is it?
Her: Oh, I'm Ariella.
Me: Ah, I'm Mike.

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Yeah, that one pretty much sucked to. I was thinking about going for the number, but she really didn't seem all that interested. Infact, I could tell she really wasn't interesed in the end because by the time I asked her name, I could tell that she really wanted me to leave and really wanted to get back to work.

Yeah man, that was like watching a train full of dead babies run over a truck full of dead puppies, it was horrible but I couldn't look away.

Not really. And please, refrain from posting if you have nothing useful to add.

You are trying too hard to script these approaches and also your cold readings don't seem to be working out too well for you. It would probably be good for you to either read up on how to do them a little bit or just drop them entirely.

Also, never come up from behind someone and tap them on the shoulder if you don't know them. It's creepy.

Man Man said:

You are trying too hard to script these approaches and also your cold readings don't seem to be working out too well for you. It would probably be good for you to either read up on how to do them a little bit or just drop them entirely.

Also, never come up from behind someone and tap them on the shoulder if you don't know them. It's creepy.

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I didn't script them and my cold readings did work seeing as she laughed. You'll notice she asked a question later in the approach. I think she got uninterested sometime after that.

As for your second tip, that's pretty much the only way to approach moving targets.

Hah, what is it that makes a cold read work anyway?

Me: *Cold Read*
Her: LOL I WANT HAVE SEX WITH YOU.

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No, if she laughs that means it worked.

Sorry, I didn't know if you were asking for advice or just relating the events.

So as for something useful, unless you were actually doing a music survey, don't use a gimmick like that. Compliment her clothes or shoes. (Women are suckers for shoes. Or get her to tell a personal story that brings up good memories.

Well opener really doesn't matter much and I was just using that as a way to open.

Yeah openers do matter. Girls can smell phoniness a mile away. Thats why those stupid pick up lines never work. Being sincere is much better way to "open" her.

theunflushables said:

Yeah openers do matter. Girls can smell phoniness a mile away. Thats why those stupid pick up lines never work. Being sincere is much better way to "open" her.

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And if you have some super great opener she could still smell this phoniness. It's not about the opener, it's about how you convey the opener. That's what I've been taught, that's what a lot of gurus believe and that's what makes sense to me. If you're a nerd and you go up to a girl with some super great opener, yet you don't believe what you're saying, she'll still smell the phoniness.

And who cares? She was smiling and laughing at the beggining, so there was really nothing wrong with my opener.

Elstud, why do you even ask for advice when you keep doing the same things over and over and feel that you're doing it right. If you're doing it right, shouldn't you have atleast been more successful?

Quit with all the b.s. about "opening lines" and especially your jesus story. Learn to look at the girl, or observe her and open with something that relates to her. (maybe she's wearing something that interests you).

How far have you actually gotten with these pick up lines? If not so far, maybe its time you changed your approach... You're supposed to learn from your failures and mistakes and apply it for future references, yet you keep doing it over and over.

Pick up lines? They aren't pick up lines, they're openers. And hey, I got the girl to laugh, so obviously I wasn't doing it wrong. You say I'm wrong? No, I just have a different method of doing it then you. You're basically saying "OBSERVATIONAL OPENERS ARE THE ONLY WAY" which is clearly not true. Yes they will work, but you've got to stop pushing that idea that it's the only way to get interest.

And learn from my mistakes? Excuse me, but I actually used the Jesus story once and got a whole bunch of interest from the girls. And also, girls don't laugh nor do they ask questions if they're not interested, so she was interested at a point, which means I was doing it right at one point.

Wow all of a sudden you're the expert? Obviously you have no idea what interest is. Laughing and asking questions doesnt mean they're interested... them giving you their number, flirting, IOIs, agreeing to meet are some signs of interest.

I'm sure you laugh and ask questions when you're talking to your friends or people you just met, but does this necessarily mean you're interested in them? No.

Listen, if you want to be able to make girls laugh and ask questions to you, you're absoultely doing a great job. If you want a girl however, then I'd say you got a long way ahead of you. You're still developing your "game" yet you are relying on such things as "openers" (which are more like guidelines for noobies). Rather, you should learn to naturally "spit" game, not do it in a rehearsed manner.

IceCream said:

Wow all of a sudden you're the expert? Obviously you have no idea what interest is. Laughing and asking questions doesnt mean they're interested... them giving you their number, flirting, IOIs, agreeing to meet are some signs of interest.

I'm sure you laugh and ask questions when you're talking to your friends or people you just met, but does this necessarily mean you're interested in them? No.

Listen, if you want to be able to make girls laugh and ask questions to you, you're absoultely doing a great job. If you want a girl however, then I'd say you got a long way ahead of you. You're still developing your "game" yet you are relying on such things as "openers" (which are more like guidelines for noobies). Rather, you should learn to naturally "spit" game, not do it in a rehearsed manner.

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I'm no expert, but I learn from people who know what they're talking about and have gotten laid, numerous times. Of course I'm interested if I ask questions, if I wasn't interested I would just leave. Same with laughing, I wouldn't laugh at something I didn't think was funny. And it's the same thing with girls, they won't laugh if they don't find something funny, they won't ask questions if they're not interested. You make her laugh, get her interested and attract her to raise her buying temperature and if her buying temperature is high enough, she'll most likely give you her number with no doubt.

To sum it up Ice Cream, I just don't see any sense in what you're saying. I should drop what I'm doing now even though it's getting interest and laughs from girls? Uh... yeah. Now I know your stuff works too, but you can't be trying to pass it off as the only way. I could use your stuff, sure, but why, what I'm doing is already working. 2nd approach she was clearly interested in the beggining, givin' me eye contact, smiling, laughing. But I did something that made her lose interest and therefore, she lost interest just like that. Women think of you as a cool guy one second, but if you do something to make her lose interest she can think of you as a boring guy the next. What I did in this particular approach that lost her interest, was not the Jesus story, nor the opener, nor the cold read, it was when I started going for rapport to early, that she lost interest.

You say, drop the Jesus story... but, look at the 2nd approach in this FR:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1162689&postcount=1

I used the Jesus story, one of the girls told me it was funny, girls were giving a bunch of interest, one the girls TOLD me her name without me having to ask and girls were very interested. So why should I drop something that works?

I think what Ice Cream is trying to say is just because you can get a girl to laugh does not neccesairly mean she likes you. Also, I am still in favor of dropping any "openers" that you have to rehearse before talking to someone. And in your two examples your "openers" may have allowed you to talk to some girls for a bit, but it didn't open their legs, which is of course the goal.

As for the Jesus story, not funny. I know about 5 different people who look like Jesus. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people that look like Jesus, they're called hippies.

theunflushables said:

I think what Ice Cream is trying to say is just because you can get a girl to laugh does not neccesairly mean she likes you. Also, I am still in favor of dropping any "openers" that you have to rehearse before talking to someone. And in your two examples your "openers" may have allowed you to talk to some girls for a bit, but it didn't open their legs, which is of course the goal.

As for the Jesus story, not funny. I know about 5 different people who look like Jesus. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people that look like Jesus, they're called hippies.

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That is true, but if you get a girl to laugh, that raises her interest and buying temperature, which then will lead to attraction. And I have never "rehearsed" any of my openers, when I go up to the girl that's most likely the first time I've said that opener, IF I haven't already said it to another girl. And it really doesn't matter if it's funny as long as you're conveying your personally. I know it's not funny, but neither is "I like salad" and people with enough game have opened up to girls with that and gotten laid, because it's all about conveyance. Opener, words, that stuff matters like 10% but subconscious stuff is what will really decide if she's attracted or not.

Also check that 2nd approach I linked in my last post. Notice one girl said it was funny, was the Jesus story actually funny? No, but it was the way I conveyed it. Later one girl says "Do you know my name?" without me even asking. They're laughing my DHV's and talked to me until the bell rang, with THEM asking most of the questions, which is a huge sign of interest.

Observational openers just aren't my style. I can't just go up to a girl in one second and immediately notice something about her to comment on.

*sigh* The Jesus story is crap, bin it.

You can't just flip from story to story, there has to be some sort of link. If she mentioned jesus, then go for the story, otherwise, you'd get more sucess if you plucked hair out your ballsack.

First approach


1)Any time there is more than one girl, address all of them, if you don't the other girls will block you.
2) Never ever approach from behind. It's creepy.
3)Hmm... well usually when a girl tells me that it means there in a bad mood or woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. Why say that? It does nothing but to convince her she's in a bad mood. Do you want that?
4) No "would you say" questions, you used too many. It's not an interveiw.


Second approach

1) Good intro.... but if you're not carrying a pen and pad, you've just been caught out.
2) Bust on her!! "sssh girl, you look like the country and western type. I can see you busting bad ass line dancing moves to "achy brachy (sp) heart"
3) As before. Can the Jesus story, it's god-awful. Also, "the body?" Was Jesus known for his body?
4) "why don't you tell me about yourself" is an interveiw question. Remember, you're not conducting an interveiw. Without you creating any rapport (which you havn't), she aint gonna tell you jack about herself.
5) Why ask her name after she brushed you off? Either ask when you're getting the digits, or right at the beginning.

Work on
Creating Rapport. Make her want to talk to you more. You can do this simply by agreeing as a first step! E.g "I go to Kent" "Aahh, I love/hate (judge on her vibe) place. Is that club still open?" Even if you've never been, you can make out you have.
Funnier stories. Wether you want to admit it or not, yours suck.
Stop flitting all over the place in conversations Follow a tack, and be more congruent.

You're improving kiddo, just keep at it.

WesCottII said:

*sigh* The Jesus story is crap, bin it.

You can't just flip from story to story, there has to be some sort of link. If she mentioned jesus, then go for the story, otherwise, you'd get more sucess if you plucked hair out your ballsack.

First approach


1)Any time there is more than one girl, address all of them, if you don't the other girls will block you.
2) Never ever approach from behind. It's creepy.
3)Hmm... well usually when a girl tells me that it means there in a bad mood or woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. Why say that? It does nothing but to convince her she's in a bad mood. Do you want that?
4) No "would you say" questions, you used too many. It's not an interveiw.


Second approach

1) Good intro.... but if you're not carrying a pen and pad, you've just been caught out.
2) Bust on her!! "sssh girl, you look like the country and western type. I can see you busting bad ass line dancing moves to "achy brachy (sp) heart"
3) As before. Can the Jesus story, it's god-awful. Also, "the body?" Was Jesus known for his body?
4) "why don't you tell me about yourself" is an interveiw question. Remember, you're not conducting an interveiw. Without you creating any rapport (which you havn't), she aint gonna tell you jack about herself.
5) Why ask her name after she brushed you off? Either ask when you're getting the digits, or right at the beginning.

Work on
Creating Rapport. Make her want to talk to you more. You can do this simply by agreeing as a first step! E.g "I go to Kent" "Aahh, I love/hate (judge on her vibe) place. Is that club still open?" Even if you've never been, you can make out you have.
Funnier stories. Wether you want to admit it or not, yours suck.
Stop flitting all over the place in conversations Follow a tack, and be more congruent.

You're improving kiddo, just keep at it.

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True, but referencing back to that one approach, I opened with the story, got a ton of interest. I myself am not good with stories nor will I ever be, but you can tell a terrible story and still get the girl interested if you convey it right, hence why I once had a girl tell me that story was funny... was it funny? No, but I conveyed it right. Truth be told, any story I tell is going to be just like the Jesus story, not really funny. But like I said, you can tell a horrible story and still get the girl interested if YOU convey that YOU believe the story is funny.

As for rapport, I usually don't care for rapport unless I actually see that the girl is interested in me. From personal experience I've learned opening with rapport is bad, because the girl will immediately show no interest. As for flitting off over the place, I'm plowing, showing high value, showing that I don't really care if she's responding or not, I'm conveying my personality.

ElStud said:

As for rapport, I usually don't care for rapport unless I actually see that the girl is interested in me. From personal experience I've learned opening with rapport is bad, because the girl will immediately show no interest. As for flitting off over the place, I'm plowing, showing high value, showing that I don't really care if she's responding or not, I'm conveying my personality.

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And it's not working. You've got....0 numbers?

Also, I never said "open" with rapport. I just said have it, or it's like a black guy talking to a neo-nazi. You'll never get a girl interested unless you do it. From personal experience, it got me laid.

Alright I will give you some tips when it comes to meeting a girl. For starts, I recommend you check out some David D. material, it can definetly help you out, you need it!
For starters, you were way too formal when coming up to her. I would have tried some of these other approaches:
1) Get eye contact with the girl, wait for her to look back at you.
2) Once her eye catches your eye, look away as if something else has grabbed your attention.

At this point, one of two things happen:
1) She approaches you
2) She ignores you, or nothing happens.

If she approaches you, BINGO!
However, in most cases, the girl will not approach you, so you will need to approach her. How? Well, before you approach her think of a very funny/happy thought in your head so that you have charisma in you, and so that you are confident.

Go up to her and have a conversation such as the one below. (NOTE: This is just an example, it will obviously not happen exactly like this, but it is a good guideline.)
You: Hey, you got good taste
Her: Huh, what are you talking about? :S
You: I saw you checking me out! (Confidence is important in this line.)
Her: Pshttttttt
You: Dont worry girl.. if I were you... I would be checking me out too.
Her: (Laughs)

Remember: Your goal isn't to make her mad, but to get a LAUGH out of her. The beauty of ****y humour is you are complimenting yourself and making her laugh at the same time!

After this, you can branch off into anything now that you have her attention.
Also remember when you meet her that YOU are the first person to end the conversation, NOT her. I read your examples, the girls left the conversation in both your examples! NEVER EVER LET THAT HAPPEN!
Why do you ask? Because when you end the conversation first, it shows YOU are the busy guy - not her.
Say something such as, "Hey listen, I need to get to some other friends. Maybe we will talk later."
As you are walking away, quickly turn around and say, "Hey, do you have email?" After that, BINGO!

Hope I helped, try this out... it will probably be the best advice you have gotten.