Sniper in my hometown ... AFCism rears its ugly head

I haven't posted in awhile, thought I would since a sniper gunned down a cop, his wife, and an innocent 60-year old man, in my hometown of Moscow, Idaho (population 22,000) over the weekend:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/

We were one of the safest towns in America until the last couple years when:

1. This nutjob took out people over the weekend (a quarter of a mile from my parents' house).

2. Two years ago a University of Idaho football player was gunned down by two brothers from Seattle, who were apparently sticking up for their wussy little brother who got into a bar fight. The brothers were looking to shoot a random black guy, who was not involved. (The brothers are black, too.)

3. Four years ago a murder for hire, a white trash dude hired a guy to kill his live-in girlfriend. He paid the guy $100 to do it and he did murder the gal.

Don't laugh when I say the roots of AFCism are behind all three of these heinous acts.

Had last weekend's nutjob gotten counseling and solved his problems, or perhaps divorced/separated or worked things out with his wife, it wouldn't have happened.

If wussy college student hadn't cried about getting beat up (and I heard he was barely touched) in a bar and had been more of a man, Eric McMillan (the football player) would be alive today. If his older brothers had told the young wussy to be a man and nut up, that would've solved everything. And of course, the wussy younger brother had a stupid girlfriend who lied in front of the grand jury ... she's in jail. AFC little bro, AFC older bro, psycho gf spells trouble.

And if the white trash whacko could've handled all the problems with his gf -- like breaking up with her instead of killing her -- she'd be alive and no one would be in jail for murder.

People laugh when I say AFC kills. Oh yeah?!! I got evidence folks.

So true, but if you look at the worst type of men, they always have had either no father or a cruel perhaps alcoholic father who beat them. Divorce and single mothers also contribute.

When raised just by women, men don't turn out too good.

I agree with El Chololato,
Women raise crap men..

Good to have you back WEST, though I wish it were due to better circumstances.

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Thanks Rollo, had to vent.

I don't know who raised who in each of the situations, but I can't help think that if men were mentally stronger, these incidents wouldn't happen.

I recognize there's mental illness, too, but if it wasn't such a stigma to get help either by counseling, meds, or both, perhaps at least the latest one wouldn't have happened. Once again, if the man was a man and faced up to his problems and got help, tragedy perhaps could've been averted ... then again, perhaps not.

I still think AFC is a killer.

I certainly see your point, WC, but I can't say I'm entirely sold.

It's the proverbial argument of what came first, the chicken or the egg.

In this case, is AFC the primary emotional/mental affliction, or is there a deeper disorder which manifests itself in a variety of behaviors, "AFCism" being one of them.

Remember, "AFC" is not a recognized psychological term, and though we toss it around this site, it is a vague characteristic we berate in men, and it shows up in a variety of shades of gray. I think there are many reasons men grow up to be AFC, but I don't AFC is in and of itself the direct problem. AFCism I think is largely environmental, it is learned, from parents (Read: fathers), from the media, etc. However, I'm sure there are some psychological disorders that will leave a man a bumbling AFC.

What I'm trying to say is that these tragic incidents you've pointed out are not caused by AFC, in my opinion. It just so happens these dudes were ****ed up in the head and this was clearly manifested with the common symptom that women derailed their lives. I'm sure these guys could have used some serious help, and not just cause they couldn't keep a healthy relationship going with the opposite sex. That was the least of their problems.

ElChoclo said:

So true, but if you look at the worst type of men, they always have had either no father or a cruel perhaps alcoholic father who beat them. Divorce and single mothers also contribute.

When raised just by women, men don't turn out too good.

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That's a crock of BS. Jeffrey Dahmer was the serial killer who targeted young guys, raped them, killed them, ate them and stored what he didn't eat in a freezer in his apartment. He had TWO parents. He was just mentally ill. Most people who kill others are mentally ill as well...and their childhoods have very little to do with it. There are far more men who are raised by only their mother, who were abused by their father and even sexually abused who don't behave badly in society. There are also plenty of men who are raised well who commit heinous crimes.

WC, que pasa? This is PR_L.

This has nothing to do with AFC'ism - it has to do with anger amongst the populace - AND RESORTING TO VIOLENCE TO get vengeance - also there are many Demons in America - it is going to get worse!!

holy sh!t! My brother lives in pullman WA! Thats fuking scary!

I think the link speaks for itself

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/reviews.cfm/id/1298/page/*****_is_the_best_gun_control.html

jophil28 said:

I agree with El Chololato,
Women raise crap men..

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Not all of em, I was raised by a single mother and I fvcking rock! She told me to fight and go after women, me friends called her the godfather.

englishman said:

Not all of em, I was raised by a single mother and I fvcking rock! She told me to fight and go after women, me friends called her the godfather.

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lol...I always told my boys never to hit first or start fights, but that if someone hit them first they damn well better bring it and be the one who hits last. Both of my sons are incredibly popular with girls and have always been. I also taught them about the negative messages society sends to males and that it's a load of BS and not to buy into it. Between the two of them they have had 3 anti-male teachers...and when those teachers or the schools behaved in a sexist way towards my sons I was a force to be reckoned with.

My oldest son's junior high was bad. While standing in lunch line a girl was purpsely swinging her lunchbox and hitting him in the thigh with it (he had a big bruise from it). He asked her to stop nicely first...and she just laughed and kept doing it. Then he told her to knock it off....and she laughed and kept at it. The next time she swung it back at him he lifted his foot to block it. The lunchbox popped open, her lunch fell all over the floor, her thermos fell and the glass inside it shattered. He came home and told me what happened and the school called telling me that we had to replace the girl's thermos. I told them to think again because we would NOT be replacing the thermos because it was the girl's fault it got broken because she kept hitting my son with her lunchbox and they were not going to punish my son for some bratty girl's bad behavior. They tried to give him a week's detentions over it too but I told them hell would freeze over before he served a single one of them because he didn't do anything wrong.

There are a lot of very good single mothers. My kids are much better behaved than any kid with two parents at home that I know. None of them drink, do drugs or smoke and none of them have been in trouble. They aren't perfect, mind you...but they are damn good kids.

SERIALIZED3, interesting take on the VT massacre and a conclusion I'm always hesitant to come to too quickly. That said, I can't say that I didn't think the same thing at the start of the VT bodycount reports. What Matt Cale lacks in details, and his rush to make the call right out the gate, he makes up for in his ideas. If you read the threads at the links I posted earlier you'll see I've made several of the same observations in AFCs years earlier than this incident as well as ones that have happened since.

My brother-in-law hung himself as a response to having the unthinkable happen to him; his ONE, his soulmate, a woman he was very posessive of, was leaving him after 20 years of marriage (for a millionaire we discovered later). She was the ONLY woman he'd ever had sex with and had been (to the best of my knowledge) faithful and dependable since they married at 18 and 19. He did the 'right thing' and married her when he'd gotten her pregnant at 17 and stuck by her, sacrificed any ambition he had and worked his ass off to send both his kids to college - an advantage he'd never achieve. He wasn't a saint by any means, and I'm not going to argue my sister-in-law's motivations, since those aren't my point; my point is that he was an AFC who never came to terms with it and believed his life was only completed with his ONE. He literally couldn't go on without her.

He never displayed any sign of mental illness, he wasn't a geek or a nerd, never saw a therapist, never had issues with depression even up to the day of his suicide and generally had his sh!t together for the most part. We can call crazy "crazy", but when I read reports of 16 y.o. boys gunning down the parents of their 14 y.o. girlfriends so they can "be together as they were meant to be" there's more than just mental consideration to account for.

AFCs don't progress through the developmental stages smoothly. The lack of confidence, fear, identity confusion, etc...some wait until they hit 40 and have a mid-life crisis and some express it through other ways, including suicide and even murder. One doesn't need a diagnosis to have serious psychological problems that make them ill enough to do terrible things.

Nice try wayword....Dahmer's parents did not divorce until he was 18 years old. His father was interviewed by Larry King with his new wife. According to the father...both parents loved their son very much and their son loved them. You're exaggerating the situation with his mother greatly. No parents are perfect, but he had a more normal childhood than many people do.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/17/lkl.00.html

The only bastard I see is you...and my kids have a million times more class than you. They also don't cry like a little biotch about how unfair life is (like you do) and they take responsibility for their own happiness in life. I may be a single mother, but I didn't raise a poster child for abortion like your mother did. Oh...and it's actually you who fits the profile of a man who would commit a heinous crime, not my kids...but I digress.

Ah, Stalin, father was a brutal alcoholic, Richard Kuslinski, son of a very bad daddy. Hitler, hmm, hard to remember, but I don't think there were too many father & son camping trips to Bavaria.

No use arguing that some men are raised by their mother but turn out OK. Some people smoke but don't get cancer. We don't say that cigarettes don't cause cancer, do we?

As I always say, if most parenting is done by women, as feminists might claim, and as a result, the world is not a nice place full of happy people, then who is doing a bad job then? Maybe if the children were raised by men there might be some hope.

Jeffrey Dahmer is my hero.

ElChoclo said:

Ah, Stalin, father was a brutal alcoholic, Richard Kuslinski, son of a very bad daddy. Hitler, hmm, hard to remember, but I don't think there were too many father & son camping trips to Bavaria.

No use arguing that some men are raised by their mother but turn out OK. Some people smoke but don't get cancer. We don't say that cigarettes don't cause cancer, do we?

As I always say, if most parenting is done by women, as feminists might claim, and as a result, the world is not a nice place full of happy people, then who is doing a bad job then? Maybe if the children were raised by men there might be some hope.

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It's not about whether a child is raised by the mother, the father or both parents...it's about the parents paying attention and knowing what their kids are up to and the values you instill in your children from a young age. If the kids are sent to daycare for the bulk of the day rather than cared for in the home then it is more likely that your child will be exposed to to other families' garbage during those crucial formative years. Parents are lazy and too caught up in their own selfishness to be really great parents. It comes back to the lack of self-responsibility that runs rampant in today's society...and it's both women AND men. When you have a child you are accepting the responsibility of raising and caring for that child and it's the most important job there is. Not enough people take it seriously...and that includes two parent families.