You are better off dating someone in your looks range

Let's put the "girls do not care about looks as much" myth to an end.

This is total bs. How often do you see an ugly guy (4 and below) with a girl who is a 7 or above? Very, very, rarely. When I see a hot girl, the guy she is with is usually equally attractive or maybe only a point behind (e.g. An 8 girl with a 7 guy). Unless a guy has mucho dinero or has his face on TV, I think he can only get a girl 1 point higher than himself on the looks scale.

If you only consider yourself a 6, I think you will feel insecure going after or dating girls who are 8's and up. People DO CARE what others think of them, that is another myth (that people say" I don't care what others think") You don't want people staring at you because you are with a girl out of your range.

Based on facial balance, I consider myself a 6-6.5. The fact that I am tall, in shape, and have nice hair, probably brings me up to a 7-7.5. I am NOT a knockout, therefore I do not go after the 9's and 10's because I would feel insecure. The highest I can probably get without feeling uncomfortable is probably an 8.

So....unless you look like Brad Pitt, Matthew Mcconaughey, Jude Law, Tom Brady or any other guys that have the "perfect face", don't count on getting KNOCKOUT girls.

You may say I am just insecure or engaging in self-limiting behavior, but I think I am right.

You are better off dating someone in your looks range

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I would but those HB10s can be real bytches.

Scrumtulescence said:

I would but those HB10s can be real bytches.

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BTW, you can usually tell how good-looking you are by the quality of women you attract. I am invisible to 9's and 10's, which reconfirms my belief that I am a 7, not an extremely good looking man.

Don't take this post as me WHINING, because I am not. I am happy they way I look and prefer "cute" girls to the "hot" ones anyway.

This same thread comes up every month. The horse is long dead, so put down the bat.

Not to mention that your theory is retarded, because 9s and 10s are far less likely to do the approach. They don't need to, because they get approached FAR more than 6s and 7s do. I am a 7 to 7.5 right now, but I would not feel insecure with a hotter chick. Why should I? If you would, that's your problem.

I've made it a rule to place anyone who says any single trait is of ultimate importance on my ignore list.

MetalFortress said:

Not to mention that your theory is retarded, because 9s and 10s are far less likely to do the approach. They don't need to, because they get approached FAR more than 6s and 7s do. I am a 7 to 7.5 right now, but I would not feel insecure with a hotter chick. Why should I? If you would, that's your problem.

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We ALL care what others think! Unfortunately, people who do not know you will judge you solely on your looks.

I never mentioned about 9's and 10's doing the approach. I am just saying, unless you are a 9 or 10 yourself, don't expect 9's or 10's TO BE CHECKING YOU OUT!!

You're right mahon, but sometimes it's hard to figure it out what you are. You can get a pretty good idea inside a nightclub though. And you can always work on your style and working out. Most guys can at least get to the upper echelon.

Zero Hero said:

You're right mahon, but sometimes it's hard to figure it out what you are. You can get a pretty good idea inside a nightclub though. And you can always work on your style and working out. Most guys can at least get to the upper echelon.

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Thanks. Atleast someone agrees with me!

mahon83050 said:

BTW, you can usually tell how good-looking you are by the quality of women you attract.

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I'm sure there are some people who would disagree.

There's a grain of truth here...but there are things besides raw looks that can turn women on. And unless you're deformed, your looks can be adjusted.

mahon83050 said:

We ALL care what others think! Unfortunately, people who do not know you will judge you solely on your looks.

I never mentioned about 9's and 10's doing the approach. I am just saying, unless you are a 9 or 10 yourself, don't expect 9's or 10's TO BE CHECKING YOU OUT!!

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Then my point remains the same relative to your post. 9s and 10s care less, because they are the ones who are used to getting the attention.

You also said, " I am NOT a knockout, therefore I do not go after the 9's and 10's because I would feel insecure." That doesn't mean that everyone will have issues with this, that just means you would. In fact, my HB9 ex-girlfriend was more worried about me running off with another girl, than I was about her running off with another guy, despite her being better-looking than me.

Sure, we all care what people think, to a point. Some people care more than others, and I'm not really on the high scale of caring.

i noticed that girls in the 5-8 scale tend to approach me or do things to initiate something but those in the 9's and 10 scales do not. you have to approach those to get things going, which is perfectly fine. i would say i'm a 6.5 and maybe a 7.5 if i get a cool haircut or something, but thats what i notice about myself.

i also notice that attraction is not purely based on raw looks..which every DJ should know right?

Umm, are you f'ucking serious right now, bro? You honestly felt a need within you to post another "looks are everything" thread? Did you feel that we didn't have enough, or what? "Let's put this myth to an end." Do you realize that almost every "looks are everything" thread starts out with this sentence or a variation thereof?

"Let's settle this once and for all."
"Looks matter, period. Here's why."
"This should put an end to the looks debate once and for all. Here's why looks matter:"

LET IT BE. I mean, just stop for a second. You just said "Unless you have a perfect face, don't count on getting knockout girls." Pardon me, but that's utterly absurd. I mean, sure. I could name off countless celebrity-celebrity relationships with huge differences in looks, yeah. But you "looks-matter" guys usually don't except photographic proof such as this. I COULD name off specific instances that I've seen in previous jobs, but that can't be proven. I can't believe that you "looks matter" guys are still around, startin' up new threads trying to impose your self-defeatist, misguided, completely anti-DJ pro-AFC view on who should date whom! I really can't.

You wanna contribute to 6 looks-matter threads merged into one, the Archives section is THAT way. This thread is entirely unproductive in my opinion, and will not produce anything new. IMHO it should be closed, and perhaps deleted. I'm sorry to sound so opinionated and maybe even rude, and for that I apologize...but you must understand that these threads totally undermine the entire seduction philosophy and have been beaten to death. We get it! You believe looks are everything! The majority of us believe that is VERY possible to get beautiful and yes, even KNOCKOUT girls without looking like "Brad Pitt". You're entitled to your opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs...there's nothing left to say, quite frankly. F'uck.

7/10 people will end up with someone within their looks range, the other 2/10 will end up with someone below their own looks range and 1/10 will have someone above their looks range... end of story

Is it possible, yes... likely... of course not


That's why its good to look good !



-Cod3r

Well stated ^^^^^^. But honestly I see a lot of hott girls HB 9 with guys that are 6. Reason being is that I think woman are not into looks at much as men are.

Cod3r said:

7/10 people will end up with someone within their looks range, the other 2/10 will end up with someone below their own looks range and 1/10 will have someone above their looks range... end of story

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Can someone pls be kind enough to explain this to me:

If 2/10 people end up with someone below their looks... let's say 20 guys out of 100.

then wouldn't their partners, 20 women out of 100, would end up with someone above their looks?

but how is it that only 1/10 end up with someone above their looks?

I have another awesome stat - 9.5 out of 10 people on this messageboard mentally mastrubate way more than they need to and practice game way less than they need to.

And cod3r's numbers are bs. This whole thread is bs. This is the perfect example of arm chair mastrubation.

A while back, in highschool, there was a guy i new......Total chubby pizza-face. His girl however was a total hotty. So how did he get her???? I have no idea. All I know is that he was the top guy in his group, and had a lot of connections (drugs, guns....) He was a total Alfa male, that nobody messed with. He was cool and colected, but if you fvcked with him, he'd drop you down like a sack of potatos.

Maybe it was his attitude, and his status.

i believe you can get any girl, if you really want her bad enough. it's like people who are born poor. they can do two things. they can either accept that they are poor and b@tch and complain and do nothing to better themselves or they can work hard and go after what they truly want in life and not listen to what anyone has to say to them.

from my observations. i have noticed that looks get your foot in the door but it's all attitude and excitement that seals the deal. it's like when you buy a brand new car over time it loses it's appeal looks wise but it's whats under the engine that counts. think about it. men just aren't sexy body wise. i have seen slobs make their hot girlfriends melt at the way they treat them.

ever notice at a party when the big loud beer belly guy opens his mouth and shows everyone a good time. he is the one laying the girls and all the so called goodlooking guys are trying to figure out how he is getting all the hotties.

looks aren't that important to girls. it is just a bonus. play your cards right and the hotties aren't that hard to score with.

i agree with the crazy guy above me. seriously, give more credit to guys. yeah, we all rate girls mostly on looks. its how it goes. guys are different. guys are rated on how much of a man they are. their leadership, their attitude toward themselves and others, and how they react when push comes to shove. real men in the world, like george washington, napolean bonepart(dont know how to spell his name), julius ceaser, ali...you think all those guys go around wonderin how pretty they look or what girls rate them???? no, they go around and say "im gonna make people respect me. cause im that damn good."
Either go for the hail mary for the touchdown or dont go at all. If you go at life without 110%, why live at all? You want respect, then the first step is respecting yourself. If you dont believe you are a perfect ten, then why would anyone else. I get what you are sayin man, but with guys, they get rated on **** besides their looks. Its all up to you and your mentality. Remember, 95% of your attitude is dependent on how you view yourself. It all depends on whether or not your glass is half full or half empty. People lose somethin when they view it half empty. they waste somethin about themselves. girls dont want a pretty boy sissy. they want one thing. a...MAN.
As long as you believe in yourself, any thing is possible. Yeah, that sounds corny like some athlete would tell a bunch of kids, but it takes real wisdom to understand that is a true statement. You are either down for the fight or you aint. If you are on this website, why the **** would you want anything else then a ten???? Ask yourself, "Do i deserve a perfect ten?" If the answer is yes, then fight for that **** till you find someone who makes you feel like you earned somethin. If the answer is no, then you got a long road ahead of you.