Women deserve respect.

(I'm writing this in response to all these dudes who are saying that "all women give bad advice, if they are on this forum... they must be a troll seeking to learn our tricks, etc. ...from the Anything Else section.")

I don't get you guys, you guys hate women so much... you all are so bitter. You take one HUGE rejection from your old crush... that you think all women are bad... you think women are only good for pleasure.

Learn to respect women that have done no harm to you. That's probably why you will never get any REAL respect from them.

This site isn't at all meant to brainwash you to hate and disrepsect women... it's just giving you a heads up on what the reality is: she's no better than you, and you are no better than her... so quit treating her like a goddess.

There are certain threads on this site that imply that you should hate women -- like Pooks. But, that's not really his purpose, I'm sure. It may say for you to hate women... only because the thread writer knows that you are pathetic... and knows that there is NO OTHER way for you to change your mindset... except to hate women and PRETEND you are better then them.

People, you grasped "reality" once... you found that in reality... she is no better than you. But, you need to have another reality check: You are not better than her... you just know how to play the game correctly now.

Peace.

i totally agree with u man..

i think the site teaches guys to look at women as sh1tbags, so they can feel better about themselves. this technique is effective but over time u need to kinda come off of it once ur confident and doing well in other areas of ur life

i just think many people are very bitter towards girls, and assume they are all the same and like bad treatment.. actually i dont think any of them like abusive treatment..

funny story, well kinda, ok so last friday i was hanging out at the "soldiers pavilion" or this rec area where people smoke and i met a girl.. 18 y/o hawaiian girl named cory, she was abt a 6 or 7.. within an hour of chillin and just drinkin a few she starts whispering in my ear "i know u want me" and gives me a little tongue in the ear.. so i just laugh and say "damn, how'd u know?" and we laugh or whatever.. then within 30 mins we are making out in front of like 20 peeps.. but deep dirty kinky kisses, not like sensual at all lol..from this i can tell its all physical and there is nothing but attraction.. which is okay sometimes.. too make a long story short i say "hey im going upstairs but gimme a call sometime".. within 30 mins shes at my door and 2 mins later my c0ck is in her mouth.. she ended up leaving to go to the club and i was like "ehh..whatevers".. then shes telling all these people to tell me to call her.. etc.. but i never do.. so yesterday she shows up and we talk like 20 mins, just chattin.. and i ask her a few questions, and she tells me how she hates jerks but they are the only guys she is into.. so by playing the jerk role i have her coming to me and i will probably fvck her today when she gets off of work.. she called and texted me today..

this isnt to brag or anything, just showing how u need to adjust fire accordingly depending on the girl.. if she was a "GOOD GIRL" i would game her totally differently.. i'd take her out and stuff.. but since she only wants d1ck and right now all i want is pvssy, its kinda too easy.. i can honestly say, if i never talk to her again i'll be okay with it.. thats the attitude u have to have with girls like her.. its almost too easy once they are attracted to u..

at no point will i disrespect her or treat her like crap, i just know how to play the game.. last week i fvcked a rich japanese chick, and got head from her and a female lieutenant lol.. tonight i am going out with a bunch of nursing cadet's so we'll see what happens.. but i dont take anything too seriously.. nothing is that serious ya know?

the laid back care free attitude pays dividends

I think the message a lot of people who know what they are talking about here is that women deserve about the same amount of respect as they give you. The problem with a lot of guys who can't get girls is that they give the girls WAY TOO MUCH RESPECT and put them on a pedestal even when the girl treats them like sh!t.

Great post man, sometimes I worry if sosuave is training an army of misogynist, I almost went down that path, was not fun at all, I was so obsessed with being alpha and being better than the woman that I got all paranoid when anything would happen that I wasn't preped for, I'd have all these walls built up so the woman could never get the upper hand, and in the end it got so tactical and **** htat I just wanted to say **** it.

Excellent post.

Take advice from whom it be. I've always said the game works both ways whether it's the man doing it to a woman or a woman doing it to a man. I learned from one of the best and it was my X-Wife. She didn't teach me anything, I just think back on the things she did to me and it matches things that are talked about here.

You can respect but You dont need to show that too much.

Michele said:

(I'm writing this in response to all these dudes who are saying that "all women give bad advice, if they are on this forum... they must be a troll seeking to learn our tricks, etc. ...from the Anything Else section.")

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Are you talking about the thread that was posted and closed recently from that 32 y/o girl giving advice? The one that says she likes 17 y/o's, that sounded like a troll thread, how can you take a 32 y/o girl who likes 17 y/o guys seriously?

Michele said:

I don't get you guys, you guys hate women so much... you all are so bitter. You take one HUGE rejection from your old crush... that you think all women are bad... you think women are only good for pleasure.

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I cant speak for other guys, but I will speak for myself.

I have a booklet of experience with women between March 18th, 2006 to October 25, 2006, where each experience with various women are rated between [-10] and [+10]. The page averages all those experiences by October 25, 2006, and if it's negative average, then I'm allowing myself to have a porn vacation in November. There is one over-ride factor that can disable this book, and only one factor. As you can see, I'm very fair and just in matters such as this.

It's not just one huge rejection from an old crush, I'm going to compile scientific proof based on dates, approaches, to prove whatever I'm out to prove. Two [-10]'s have already been registered by bad internet's that c&bed, but there are a couple of [5]'s, it turns out the negative experience outweight any positive ones to date.

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Learn to respect women that have done no harm to you. That's probably why you will never get any REAL respect from them.

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The book is there to ensure that everyone has a fair chance, and those who deserve a [-10] will be allocated a [-10], so far there are no [10]'s. If the overall experience is negative - then doesn't that rationalise with me that many woman are mean?

A nice Tim Horton's lady gave me a freeby and I saved $ 1.50, yeah, there are some nice women around, but I cant record every single experience, just like dates, and other important type of stuff.

Right now, I dont look at porn, and have banned it out since November last year - I'm totally porn free.

MightyMate said:

You can respect but You dont need to show that too much.

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yeah, "too much respect"= kissing ass

Good stuff dude.

I find myself starting to be mean every once in a while because im trying so hard to not be walked on. Its always good to remind myself that we're equal and that women are sensitive.

I wont let them walk on me but I dont want to walk on them.

Good reminder man

there is a big difference between showing respect and getting walked all over.

Penkitten is on the money, and yes, I agree that people should be a little bit more open minded in here.

'owever, the simple fact of the matter is that many women (majority) do give bad advice, very bad advice -- either that, or they are not able to fully explain what they mean in terms a guy will understand. I've really come to believe that women have no idea what gets them attracted. I'd say it's ok to take relationship advice from a woman to an extent, but NEVER pick-up advice; because really, how many woman have they ever picked-up?

Don't mistake experience for bitterness.

Luke Skywalker said:

Are you talking about the thread that was posted and closed recently from that 32 y/o girl giving advice? The one that says she likes 17 y/o's, that sounded like a troll thread, how can you take a 32 y/o girl who likes 17 y/o guys seriously?



I cant speak for other guys, but I will speak for myself.

I have a booklet of experience with women between March 18th, 2006 to October 25, 2006, where each experience with various women are rated between [-10] and [+10]. The page averages all those experiences by October 25, 2006, and if it's negative average, then I'm allowing myself to have a porn vacation in November. There is one over-ride factor that can disable this book, and only one factor. As you can see, I'm very fair and just in matters such as this.

It's not just one huge rejection from an old crush, I'm going to compile scientific proof based on dates, approaches, to prove whatever I'm out to prove. Two [-10]'s have already been registered by bad internet's that c&bed, but there are a couple of [5]'s, it turns out the negative experience outweight any positive ones to date.



The book is there to ensure that everyone has a fair chance, and those who deserve a [-10] will be allocated a [-10], so far there are no [10]'s. If the overall experience is negative - then doesn't that rationalise with me that many woman are mean?

A nice Tim Horton's lady gave me a freeby and I saved $ 1.50, yeah, there are some nice women around, but I cant record every single experience, just like dates, and other important type of stuff.

Right now, I dont look at porn, and have banned it out since November last year - I'm totally porn free.

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Honestly, I didnt really bother reading this... right when I started seeing numbers with words... iIstopped reading. I have a headache kind of.

But, I'm sure 30 year old women would like to look at attractive younger guys... just as much as 30 year old guys can look at attractive 18 year olds. It's natural. They just know it's not allowed.

But, whatever is presented in front of your eyes, you are allowed to look all you want.

I'm sure she's not talkin about average lookin guys that have no personality. I'm sure shes just LOOKIN at those Abercrombie & Fitch models who are on testosterone.

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Honestly, I didnt really bother reading this... right when I started seeing numbers with words... iIstopped reading. I have a headache kind of.

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Nice cop-out.

Michele said:

But, I'm sure 30 year old women would like to look at attractive younger guys... just as much as 30 year old guys can look at attractive 18 year olds. It's natural. They just know it's not allowed.

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It's a facet of credibility here, she said she likes yonge guys for sex - that sounds like predator behaviour, why cant she get her own age group?

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But, whatever is presented in front of your eyes, you are allowed to look all you want.

I'm sure she's not talkin about average lookin guys that have no personality. I'm sure shes just LOOKIN at those Abercrombie & Fitch models who are on testosterone.

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Oh, yeah, great advice. Hey everyone, win a lottery, look like a French model, and yeah, then you'll be successful with women. Need reasonable advice. Everyone on here knows about inner game - this is old, stale, redundant advice.

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Nice cop-out.

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I'll be glad to read it if you get right to the point.

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It's a facet of credibility here, she said she likes yonge guys for sex - that sounds like predator behaviour, why cant she get her own age group?

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Hey, its her preference. She likes that stuff. Why do you care?

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Oh, yeah, great advice. Hey everyone, win a lottery, look like a French model, and yeah, then you'll be successful with women. Need reasonable advice. Everyone on here knows about inner game - this is old, stale, redundant advice.

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It may be redundant. And it's good that its redundant. If its repeated so many times... it should be more credible.

Lately around here, you see people giving advice that they base off the 'bible'... and havent really read through it - only skimmed though. They take what they NEED TO SEE/READ ONLY. They read that people (who've fully grapsed everything) say it works. They believe them and they think they, themselves, know EVERYTHING... even after a simple skin through the bible.

It's kind of like how the terrorists read the Koran... but don't read it fully. So, they take bits and peices of the Koran and tell people what it says... and they go out on crazy missions thinking they are the better people.

I don't understand why you are saying my advice is so vague, and useless... in your kind of way. Do you not agree women deserve respect equally just as much as you deserve their respect?

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I'm getting a feeling that you think I'm a woman from "Michele". My UserName is "Michael the Archangel" in Italian.
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Respect is earned not given.

The problem with many AFCs and the OP is that they have no concept of what respect is about.

There are far too many men that give respect to women that have virtually no respect for men.

If you don't believe me go up to a modern woman and ask her, "hey what do you think it means to show respect for a man?" She will look at you funny before she tries to answer that question. Many women in fact don't even think of that concept. "Respect for men huh? what is that?"

The fact is chivalry is dead. It is a gift from men to women during a time that women put all their faith in us and showed respect for our authority as the head of the family and society. Today things are very different and women try to live their lives without the need for us. The concept of respect for women is therefore null and void. They want to be equals. Well we give them equal respect now, which actually means less respect then the days of chivalry. The joke is that women still think they deserve chivalry after all the crap they started with their stupid feminist bulls-hit.

Now this does not mean that you should have no respect for women. It just means that you need to show everyone the same level of respect no more and no less. Women do not deserve anymore just for having tits and a pu--ssy.. Focus on women who are deserving of respect. Those are the ones that show you high interest and do things for you.

On the other hand there are women from other countries that hold on to traditional values and still have respect for men. They are accommodating and they are not rude to you. When you find women like that it is ok to increase your level of respect for them.

Everyone starts off at a level of respect that is equal. After that point they must earn it just like everyone else.

Many AFCs make the mistake of putting women on a pedestal despite the fact they these women use them as emotional tampons.

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You see? It's easy. I respect those who deserve it. Trolls/32-year old girls posting on a man's forum do not deserve it. Does this make me gay? Yeah, I don't see the connection either. :yawn:

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Umm I agree with that statement and why are we talking about this aye ???

Everyone knows chicks (90% of them) talk about things they have no idea about.

Right now more girls are watching survivor, the oc, desperate housewifes or some other sh!t tv show.

Now you want me to talk dating advice from someone who spends most of her time in front of a tv screen and is giving you advice she saw on the oc ??.

Now about respect you give as much as you get no more no less period.

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Haha, oh man. I think I just put it together. Your name is Michele? That's the Italian spelling of "Michelle" or what? This makes a lot more sense now. Now, I don't think you're Princess Jo...nor a troll. I just think it's a bit misleading to pose as a dude. Nice try with the "Michael" cover, though. It works in theory, but the content of your posts obviously dictates otherwise.

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I must admit, I never saw it coming that someone will think that I am not who I am.

When I read this. I was pretty suprised. Especially since rebels to the bible are the people 'prosecuted' for going out of their way to give the honest advice people need to know... I guess you guys can see my advice as 'rebel-advice' such as Angelus'. Thanks, that's flattering... really. His advice was so great and controversial -- yet the truth.

If you need to go Krassus on me - seach my posts in this forum. I changed my name from MikeS.

Mike <== see... thats a masculine nickname in English, while 'Michele' is A masculine name in Italian.

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Now about in response to the thread's topic...

You guys don't understand the golden rule: "Treat people how you want to be treated."

It's not "Treat people how they treat you."

You may not believe in karma, as I kind of do...
But the next rule next to the golden rule to me is (silver rule... I guess?) "What goes around, comes around... TWICE."

And I NEVER said "treat women with respect even if they disrespect you". NOT ONCE did I say that.

I said "Learn to respect women that have done no harm to you". As in... harm to you would be if they disrespected you. As in... "Learn to respect women that don't disrespect you... even if they are just 'neutral' to you."

...but lets not overanalyze this as you all are doing.

Simply put:
"Treat people how you want to be treated." because "What goes around, comes around... TWICE."

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umm no angelus advice wasnt rebel advie it was all good advice he just used huge lies to tell people it, people dont mind being lied to as long as they dont find out your lying to them, angel just chose the wrong place where someone with balls called him out on it and he got caught over and over again.

What he said was right on its own merits the way he said it was wrong.

Please list the reasons why women deserve more respect just for being women?

Fact is most women today could use a good slap for the way they act. Not that I would do such a thing (hmm I guess I do have respect for women after all)

Deus ex Pianoforte said:

Ok, so you're a feminist male...that's real sweet, dude. But before you go to your next sewing circle to discuss what pigs men are, you may want to read over the meat and potatoes of my post before dodging it by discussing whether or not you have a vagina.

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hahaha

I wonder how many girls he knows that are "just friends".