Re: Benefits of feminism???
Do we really benefit form them or the benefits are so low compared to the damage they can cause that it's not worth to men society?
What's your perspective on this? [/B]
Lessseeee....
What do you see as "...the damage they can cause..."
???
You'll have to explain that, I'm not even sure what you're referring to here. You're making an assumption here that I don't think many of us would agree with you on (I can just hear every other lawyer I've worked with "objection! assumes facts not in evidence...
).
Anyway, if you're talking about the divorce rate or the so-called broken families, I would point out that divorce, etc. only recognizes what occurs everywhere anytime anyway--we just have a better way of tracking it than other societies that, quote, "don't have divorce." It's still there. Lack of divorce procedures doesn't make families better.
Divorce (or something like it) is done anyway, they just don't give anyone a means of working out the legal or financial arrangements decently.
BTW, this reminds me of a joke from an Italian acquaintance of mine -- he said "We don't have divorce in Italy, we just..." (here he just made the sign of pulling a trigger of gun--hilarious!)
I would point out what was hinted at above - societies that have had "feminist" movements tend to be both politically and economically more advanced than those without it.
Quick case in point: UN studies have shown the best way to get backwards societies moving is to give the women educational and economic power (or choice, same thing...)
Sure, it causes disruption. But those that can't handle it--?--fvck 'em! Their history's losers! Adapt or die!
I won't say that feminism (or the black civil rights movement, for example?) has been THE key to certain societies political and economic advance, but these DO appear as an important factor.
Reverse the question: does the "lack" of a feminist movement, or the successful frustration of such worth the cost to
society (and not just "men" as you put it) for the backwardness and economic retardation that ensues?
But that assumes facts not in evidence, doesn't it? My bad.
Alright, let me restate. Show me societies with the lack of feminist movements or that have successfully frustrated such that are politically or economically advanced.
Go ahead, give me a list. I'll wait.
While you do that, I'll take one or two examples that come to mind.
Take any "traditional" society. What do you have? Most of these are politically and economicly stagnant or still in the middle ages. I shyt you not -- look at the run-of-the-mill islamic country (as the most "un-feminist" society example you can find) and you have a society still struggling to get out of the middle-ages politically, economically, culturally. Not to pick on the islamic societies--I'll even give you Japan as an example: even though it's the world's 2nd largest economy, they are politically and economically stagnant (going on 15 years) in part because they draw from only 1/2 of their talent pool. This is a traditional society and it's hamstrung but just that -- I can't tell how many Japanese women I've met who left Japan for Hong Kong or the US because they knew they couldn't get a chance there. What did I take away from meeting them? Japan's loss, our gain.
A last word -- people who trot out "feminist", "liberal" or "nazi" usually raise a red flag for me. Why? Because I hear Orwellian double-speak going on, where someone has defined a political agenda and re-labeled these words with other than their original meanings and uses it to manipulate. The words are robbed of their meaning and all that's left is "spin" or manipulation. Those that use it (with all due respect, blue...) are 2nd rate intelligences or decent people who got suckered into someone else's manipulation (take the ditto-heads, for example..).
The key red flag for me here is that when I see someone using one of these 3 words, I feel my intelligence being insulted.
Anyway - reverse the question: can we afford not having it?
History has already judged and it continues to do so. Those "traditional" societies have been losing out and the pace is increasing.
They either adapt or die. Most lost the fight 50 years ago.
Sorry dude, but get pyssy about "feminists" (or liberals or nazis or whatever) and my sense is you're zeroing in on inconsequentials while the big things go rushing by.
