Question: Why Not Just Screw Escorts?

Tenacity · Dec 24, 2014

Just been continuing my soul searching procedures. As you guys know I'm still banned off POF, I joined OKC and I'm doing good on that like I was on the other sites. Been pulling off pretty much the same type of chicks as before, I don't really think I'm going to find ONE woman with everything I want, but that's another story.

I wanted to ask you guys, why don't men like us just get Escorts and call it a day? When I say men like us, I'm talking men of means, financial success, etc.?

I'm just not seeing a lot of benefits from "unpaid" women for the most part that's been PROMOTED, which is why I feel ripped off in that regard.

- There's no loyalty, she can leave at anytime. It's a Burger King situation where I'm the employee and she's the customer, she wants it HER way and if she's not getting it or bored with it....she'll move on.

- Their cooking is horrible, I'm no chef but I cook much better.

- Their attitudes are all over the place, I have enough to deal with in relation to work, who the hell wants to come home and deal with her a.ss?

- They have no issue getting fat and overweight, and expecting you to just ACCEPT it.

- You want to create kids but you are afraid she will use them as pawns to take your money.

I'm seeing only two main benefits with women, SEX and Companionship. Sex speaks for itself, but then Companionship is where I have someone to go places with, enjoy things with, etc.

But when you break it down, why go through all of this bullshyt with "unpaid" women instead of just getting a Escort of decent quality? If the Escort is about $100 for 30-60 minutes or something like that, with you getting all the sex you want in that 30-60 minutes as well as a solid 7 plus in looks chick....what's wrong with that?

Aren't you going to spend on average about $50 - $300 per "unpaid" chick before you actually FVCK them anyway? When you add up the dinner costs, movie costs, the gas to pick her up costs, if she has kids the costs for a baby sitter, the occasional (Tenacity can you help pay my Boost Mobile Cell phone) costs, etc....I would spend about $50 - $300 on average before I fvck a chick. Some chicks I spend less than $50 but I've never spent more than $300 before I fvcked a chick.

Your argument might be that with an unpaid chick, I get multiple sex sessions but I don't know, it just depends.

It seems like the value of women as a whole is so low, that it's more economical to get an Escort? I will tell you that going to the NightClubs or the Titty Bar is a WORSE deal than just getting an Escort. The Titty Bar you are going to spend about $100 - $200 just for a chick to twerk on you, the same chick (the stripper) most likely on her days off goes to the Night Club down the street where you could have gotten her to twerk on you on the dance floor for "free". Free is in quotes because with the Night Club usually you have to buy drinks and of course pay for admission (also you have to pray you don't get shot if you are going to a black club like I used to go to). But in BOTH cases (Night Club and Titty Bar), there's no fvcking being done for the most part....it's just a waste of money.

JohnyTheArrow · Dec 24, 2014

Tenacity said:
Just been continuing my soul searching procedures. As you guys know I'm still banned off POF, I joined OKC and I'm doing good on that like I was on the other sites. Been pulling off pretty much the same type of chicks as before, I don't really think I'm going to find ONE woman with everything I want, but that's another story.

I wanted to ask you guys, why don't men like us just get Escorts and call it a day? When I say men like us, I'm talking men of means, financial success, etc.?

I'm just not seeing a lot of benefits from "unpaid" women for the most part that's been PROMOTED, which is why I feel ripped off in that regard.

- There's no loyalty, she can leave at anytime. It's a Burger King situation where I'm the employee and she's the customer, she wants it HER way and if she's not getting it or bored with it....she'll move on.

- Their cooking is horrible, I'm no chef but I cook much better.

- Their attitudes are all over the place, I have enough to deal with in relation to work, who the hell wants to come home and deal with her a.ss?

- They have no issue getting fat and overweight, and expecting you to just ACCEPT it.

- You want to create kids but you are afraid she will use them as pawns to take your money.

I'm seeing only two main benefits with women, SEX and Companionship. Sex speaks for itself, but then Companionship is where I have someone to go places with, enjoy things with, etc.

But when you break it down, why go through all of this bullshyt with "unpaid" women instead of just getting a Escort of decent quality? If the Escort is about $100 for 30-60 minutes or something like that, with you getting all the sex you want in that 30-60 minutes as well as a solid 7 plus in looks chick....what's wrong with that?

Aren't you going to spend on average about $50 - $300 per "unpaid" chick before you actually FVCK them anyway? When you add up the dinner costs, movie costs, the gas to pick her up costs, if she has kids the costs for a baby sitter, the occasional (Tenacity can you help pay my Boost Mobile Cell phone) costs, etc....I would spend about $50 - $300 on average before I fvck a chick. Some chicks I spend less than $50 but I've never spent more than $300 before I fvcked a chick.

Your argument might be that with an unpaid chick, I get multiple sex sessions but I don't know, it just depends.

It seems like the value of women as a whole is so low, that it's more economical to get an Escort? I will tell you that going to the NightClubs or the Titty Bar is a WORSE deal than just getting an Escort. The Titty Bar you are going to spend about $100 - $200 just for a chick to twerk on you, the same chick (the stripper) most likely on her days off goes to the Night Club down the street where you could have gotten her to twerk on you on the dance floor for "free". Free is in quotes because with the Night Club usually you have to buy drinks and of course pay for admission (also you have to pray you don't get shot if you are going to a black club like I used to go to). But in BOTH cases (Night Club and Titty Bar), there's no fvcking being done for the most part....it's just a waste of money.

If you can afford Escort, this is the way to go.

There are cheap actually to get chick same quality you spend much more than 100$,in time and effort to get women attention.

To get escort quality chick for "free" you can easily spent 1000$ ... it includes your time to get her attention,clothing to impress,dates,drinks,travel cost etc.It pays off only if chick enters LTRS ,one night stand is total waste.Only problem is Escort is more prone to STD.

Its YPPS - your price per sex.

Niterider450 · Dec 24, 2014

I agree with you just aren't enough quality escorts in my area.

Scaramouche · Dec 24, 2014

Dear Tenacity,
From the purely financial point of view you are better off with an escort...just as you are better off using taxis than owning a Car...but there is more to it than that...I once renovated a Brothel...very interesting,I did the Madame many favours...she several times offered me the pick of the Girls,but it had no appeal...Another time I ran into an old School Mate,he had a little escort service in Sydney,visiting my town,he offered me any of the three Girls he was travelling with,sorry thanks but no thanks...I want the thrill of the chase,the seduction,the conquest,the constant cat and mouse game spinning plates!not everything has a price!

speed dawg · Dec 24, 2014

Since the beginning of time, men have been marrying fat girls, having them bear their children/raising their family/keeping up their homestead, and the men would then go out and bang hookers or mistresses while working to provide for that family. This sort of thing is still custom in Asia.

That might need to be the direction we end up going. That takes the power away from all the hot b*tches. And if you had a fat wife (maybe not fat, but just average), they are MUCH less likely to leave you because you will keep the frame. But in this day and age, the fatties feel just as entitled as the hot ones.

Put it this way, if you don't want kids, and you have disposable money, and you don't want companionship, then hookers are for you.

FairShake · Dec 24, 2014

Upfront costs are lower but cheaper in the long run.

100 dollar escorts are pretty busted usually. For anything special it runs 250 and up. Everytime. You get a special looking girl you can hit multiple times a week for next to nothing. That may cost you a thousand a week for a hooker of ways and means.

Oh and the Zpack for your potential and likely gonorrhea could be pricey too if you have bad insurance.

Tenacity · Dec 24, 2014

Nice responses guys. My thing with the STDs is that you can get those from anybody. I know you could look at it as the Escort is screwing more people without any pre-judgment on WHO she screws, thus the likelihood of her getting an STD is higher.

But with the overall low value of American women today, I just don't see how they are that much of "differing quality". Plus when you add in the fact that studies show that a significant amount of American women (not Escorts, but women in general) have some type of STD, it's as if the only way to NOT be at risk of an STD acquisition was if you didn't fvck at all.

Here's what I've been finding, keep in mind I target black women (unpaid ones and paid ones) so my experiences might be different than some of you guys who target white and asian woman mostly.

- I can usually get decent looking black Escorts for $50 - $100, when I say decent she will top out at a 6, on average they would be between a 4-6 as I won't go lower than a 4. They usually develop a bond towards me where it's a "trick" but not really a "trick". After we do it for about two times, it usually turns into a more normal routine (without charges a good amount of time) until I go tired of her.

- I do run into Escorts that would charge about $200 - $300 and there are some 5's and 6's thrown in here too now, but if you are looking for that dimepiece she's usually going to be in here somewhere. I can usually talk her down to $150.

When I'm with an unpaid chick, as mentioned I would probably spend about $50 - $200 on the date, the gas to see her, etc. BEFORE we do the first fvck. Now going forward for the recurring fvcks, if you are doing a event-by-event comparison then the Escorts would come out higher PER FVCK. But when you do a comparison of the entire relationship (Escort shorter, Unpaid chick longer) I think you just about break-even because the Unpaid chick STOPS fvcking you all the time once you get into a relationship with her.

So I don't know, I just wish that American Women were not of such low quality and bought SO LITTLE to the table that I would even have to compare them to Escorts

Prime_Beef · Dec 24, 2014

Hahaha!
"If it flys, floats, or f*cks, rent it!"

VladPatton · Dec 24, 2014

It'll criple you financially, unless you're making a lot of money. Yeah, you may pay a ton for a nice car, nice apartment, nice clothes, even nice outings...but in the end, you still get to keep them all. After you pay $500 for a lay, you keep nothing from that experience except a memory that gets replaced with the next escort lay. If that's what floats your boat, by all means, pay for the lay.

Starwolf · Dec 25, 2014

Tenacity said:
So I don't know, I just wish that American Women were not of such low quality and bought SO LITTLE to the table that I would even have to compare them to Escorts

Just thinking out of the box here.

If you have the time and money.. mostly time cause it's not that expensive.

Take some trips to places outside of the US. Medellin for example.
When u go don't rent a hotel, rent one of those nice looking condo's for a few days/weeks much cheaper and more luxurious!
visit the local clubs at night and you'll be surprised how many good looking girls live in Colombia. Order the most expensive bottle in the house.
usually about a 2 month salaries worth of the locals. and the girls will come swarming to you. After some fun just bring them up to your condo and bang them! they will stay and even make you breakfast in the morning. You can either let them tag a long for the rest of your vacation or go back to the club to get another. Either way a week trip 3 to 4 times a year with HB's who treat you like a king sounds 100 times better than banging some Escort.

p.s. i hope u can speak some spanish

The Duke · Dec 26, 2014

Tenacity-

I've sampled them all(regular girls, escorts, and stripprs). The reason I never stayed on the "escorts" only path was because I enjoy the thrill of the hunt too much.

It was always very rewarding to find, attract, seduce, and have sechs with some new girl. It takes some skill, dedication, perserverance, patience, thick skin, charm, and balls to be able to pull hot girls on a regular basis. It was always rewarding to work on improving myself and see the results with better and better women. When I first started I was lucky to get score HB7 single mommies who had 2 baby daddy's. Eventually I worked my way up to 8's and 9's with no kids, good incomes, better personal skills. The more work I put into it, the better I got, and the better my results.

All I need to acquire an escort is some money. Its so simple its too easy and whats easy is always boring for me.

I have also enjoyed seducing strippers. And no I'm not the kind to use my wallet to pull it off either. I like to bait my hook with other tricks suited for that environment.

And to those that think strippers and escorts are riddled with std's.........I've only had one regular girl ever mention wearing a condom. 99% never cared. On the other hand, the vast majority of strippers and escorts almost always used/insisted on condoms.

evan12 · Dec 28, 2014

If you even been in meaningful relationship you will know what it mean to have a real woman beside you , but I understand your frustration because you are using online dating , I got that impression exactly when I was using online dating, because the goal become scoring dates and sex instead of real relationship .
So if you really only want sex maybe hooker is easier and less headache but if you want a real relationship when you have a woman that miss you and can share your life with her and build a family then no escorts cant do that .

Tenacity · Dec 28, 2014

evan12 said:
If you even been in meaningful relationship you will know what it mean to have a real woman beside you , but I understand your frustration because you are using online dating , I got that impression exactly when I was using online dating, because the goal become scoring dates and sex instead of real relationship .
So if you really only want sex maybe hooker is easier and less headache but if you want a real relationship when you have a woman that miss you and can share your life with her and build a family then no escorts cant do that .

And that's it right there, I have YET to find a quality woman. Since 2010, I have been getting more A.SS than I ever have been getting, been on more dates than ever, I have a collection of phone numbers from women that could resemble a section of the Yellowpages.

But I can't find a quality woman, what is a quality woman to Tenacity?

- No Kids, or if you have a kid no more than 1 and it's NOT by some Convicted Felon. This would allow me to be able to establish a relationship with you, your child, and your child's father without fear that your Convicted Felon STUPID baby daddy is going to do a drive-by on my a.ss

- Finances under control. I'm a black man, and I target black women majority of the time. Black women have it easier in mainstream society than black men do, doesn't matter how many degrees I have. So while I out earn just about all of the women I date, I see no reason why a woman should be flat BROKE and can't pay her $35 monthly Boost Mobile Cell Phone plan, with no car, and sleeping on someone's couch every night. I'm not trying to be your "Suga Daddy" and take care of you, you should have your basic finances in order.

- Keep yourself UP. Usually the chicks that have No kids at all or if they have a kid it's by a reasonable guy, and who have their finances in order, are usually these chicks that DON'T workout. They will wear these things called Body Spanks or something that suck the fat in so when they have clothes on, they appear smaller than they are. But then when you get them in bed to get ready to fvck, and take that Spanks off, ANOTHER PERSON comes out. My dyck usually gets soft and I just get turned off as hell. Why can't you keep yourself UP to where you aren't overweight like that? On the flipside, the broke chick or the chick with a kid (or multiple ones) from the Convicted Felon usually is FINE as hell when it comes to looks.

- Love and Loyalty. I have flaws like the next guy, so I want loyalty just like you gave to the prior guy. I'm an arrogant a.sshole, and I know that, but my heart is always in the right place and my SHYT is in order in terms of finances and everything else. So I'm sick of women bytching about me being arrogant like it's that big of a deal, but these are the same chicks that would have just got done dating a guy with no job, no car, no career, no ambition, no NOTHING. His flaws were 100X the size of mine and you had no issue with it? But yet you are bytching about my arrogance? Fvck out of here.

So when you talk about quality women, I can't FIND ONE. As a result, the only thing you have left is sex and companionship, you have someone that can "chill" with you and go places with you, and fvck you later on in the day....but other than that, that's about IT. Because that's all you have, why NOT just fvck an Escort??

zekko · Dec 28, 2014

Tenacity said:
- Keep yourself UP. Usually the chicks that have No kids at all or if they have a kid it's by a reasonable guy, and who have their finances in order, are usually these chicks that DON'T workout. They will wear these things called Body Spanks or something that suck the fat in so when they have clothes on, they appear smaller than they are. But then when you get them in bed to get ready to fvck, and take that Spanks off, ANOTHER PERSON comes out. My dyck usually gets soft and I just get turned off as hell. Why can't you keep yourself UP to where you aren't overweight like that? On the flipside, the broke chick or the chick with a kid (or multiple ones) from the Convicted Felon usually is FINE as hell when it comes to looks.

Not sure if that's true, it certainly is in some situations. Here's my theory: The women who work burn up a lot of energy at their job and when they get off they're tired and don't want to work out. Meanwhile, the women who don't work have plenty of time and energy to exercise, plus they can't afford to buy enough food to stuff themselves all day.

I agree though, that in this day and age, a woman should be bringing in at least enough income to take basic care of herself. Otherwise, it shows an entitlement attitude.

Tenacity said:
Because that's all you have, why NOT just fvck an Escort??

Sounds to me that you would LIKE to find a quality woman. If you just fvck escorts, you're pretty much guaranteed not to find one.

Wilko · Dec 28, 2014

I honestly think it depends on how you're individually wired.

I've only ever tried it the once and it didn't scratch my itch at all (was one of the worst sexual experiences of my life). Most of my friends haven't had positive experiences either. Having said that, I know one guy who shelled out for a quality escort in the UK for a couple of months (he was earning big dollars at the time). Pretty girl, nice bod, surprisingly smart, funny, good company, and great in bed. Sounds like money well spent to me. That said, by his own admission his experiences with women in the real world have been pretty lousy so his calibration might be a bit off.

You know, I wouldn't be at all surprised if "chemistry" is still a huge issue - even with a professional. What I'm suggesting is, as much as we'd like to think we're guaranteed a certain quality of experience by paying for it, I bet it's still heavily influenced by the individual connection you have with the girl. In other words, still a cr@pshoot, so maybe not that much better than dating after all?

Tenacity · Dec 28, 2014

zekko said:
..........Sounds to me that you would LIKE to find a quality woman. If you just fvck escorts, you're pretty much guaranteed not to find one.

YES. I'm 31 years old right now and the entire point of becoming this successful man was to FIND this quality chick and begin some sort of quality relationship. I thought that everything I went through and been through was leading up to this at the end of the tunnel.

- All of the crap I went through in Grade School to finally break my shell in 10th grade, develop my personality and begin actually approaching girls.

- The time period from 18 - 23 when I would be in the club almost every night, as well as getting chicks from college, learning how to develop my "style" in terms of approaching women, etc.

- The time period from 23 - 25 which was the WORSE time period in my life as I was dirt poor, homeless for a period of time, but I was getting my life in order in terms of my career and direction.

- The time period of now (age 25/26 - current) where I have my financial shyt together, educated as hell, career in place, nice car, nice place, and I have developed a system to consistently bring in new women, new dates, new pvssy. And THIS is the time I'm looking for this Quality Woman to appear as it's been 6 years, COUNTLESS dates and women, and there's no fvcking Quality Woman yet!

I feel robbed. I don't want to just keep dating people, and fvcking people. I have 4 chicks that wanted me to spend time with them over this holiday season but I'm not interested in any of these chicks.

Wilko · Dec 28, 2014

And hey, for what it's worth, I acknowledge your situation and experiences, completely understand your frustration, and can see why you're considering escorts as an option. It's a valid response.

taiyuu_otoko · Dec 28, 2014

Tenacity said:
YES. I'm 31 years old right now and the entire point of becoming this successful man was to FIND this quality chick and begin some sort of quality relationship.

I don't understand why you're even considering escorts. (Other than some quick sex when you can't be bothered to even spend time talking to some floozy) Since you can easily pull, and you've got a yellow page set of phone numbers, why not just keep sorting, expanding your game, and slowly increasing the quality of women you get? (Particularly your qualifying skills).

If you resign yourself to escorts your game will wither and you'll be much LESS likely to pull Mrs. Tenacity when she crosses your path.

You've said you've spent a lot of time getting to where you are financially, why not simply spend an EQUAL amount of time finding your ideal girl?

I don't mean this in a negative way, but to get a REAL quality woman, you've got to get your $$$ in order, your social skills in order, your personality in order, etc. Solid finances are just a first step in a well rounded MAN.

Always improve yourself in any way you can.

Not saying you should spend your life focused SOLELY on girls, but their feedback can be pretty good evidence of stuff you need to work out.

You're only 31, Napoleon Hill wrote that men don't REALLY hit their stride till they're in their forties.

Give it some time, man.

hithard · Dec 28, 2014

taiyuu_otoko said:
I don't understand why you're even considering escorts. (Other than some quick sex when you can't be bothered to even spend time talking to some floozy) Since you can easily pull, and you've got a yellow page set of phone numbers, why not just keep sorting, expanding your game, and slowly increasing the quality of women you get? (Particularly your qualifying skills).

If you resign yourself to escorts your game will wither and you'll be much LESS likely to pull Mrs. Tenacity when she crosses your path.

Give it some time, man.

I agree with everything taiyuu posted. You can let yourself slip if you just hire hookers. No problems with guys that do it, just realize its more an expensive wank then anything. The fakery does my head in though, not a fan.

zekko · Dec 28, 2014

Tenacity said:
- The time period from 23 - 25 which was the WORSE time period in my life as I was dirt poor, homeless for a period of time, but I was getting my life in order in terms of my career and direction.

- The time period of now (age 25/26 - current) where I have my financial shyt together, educated as hell, career in place, nice car, nice place, and I have developed a system to consistently bring in new women, new dates, new pvssy. And THIS is the time I'm looking for this Quality Woman to appear as it's been 6 years, COUNTLESS dates and women, and there's no fvcking Quality Woman yet!

You remind me a bit of myself with those ages. I never really spent a lot of time in clubs, but I did spend a lot of time partying when I was younger, so of course there were always girls around. I also went through a period where I was dirt poor, maybe that was a good thing because that kind of woke me up to the fact that I needed to get that sh!t settled. And it was around the age you mentioned that I started to finally grow up and get it together.

Things take time. I didn't get married until I was 33. You're only 31. Like Taiyuu says, give it some time. Worthy women can take a while to find, and it's not like you're a female and you've hit the wall. You've got lots of time left. Maybe consider the places that you're meeting women? Are they the best places to find quality women? Maybe you're too picky (better than not being picky enough)? Think about what qualities are really important to you in a woman.

Most importantly, congratulations on getting you life together and making the improvements that you have made! That should be a confidence booster.

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