the bitterness of the red pill

b305d · Jan 15, 2014

I get the general trend and opinion on this forum.

Spin plates, **** as many girls as you can, stop caring so much about them.

But what happens when you get older?

I've always been a cynical and distrusting guy even before learning about the red pill, but college has really poison my heart.

We talk a lot about the **** carousel on this forum and it's fine when you don't care about the girl.

I see during my time at the university, most girls have been ****ed ragged. I wouldn't want to be a father with a daughter in the 21st century.

There are times when I just plan on having fun with them, but when you **** a girl too many times and you end up having feelings for them.

These are the most painful moments. It sneaks up on you before you realize it.

I get this empty bitter feeling.

Is there any other guy out there who can understand my pain? If so, please post. I want to hear from you.

My rational side, the legion of men on sosuave standing on my shoulders, knows the true reality of these relationship.

While I find myself ****ing the girls and spending romantic times with them, everything is tainted by bitterness. The thousand voices of men on sosuave is a constant reminder.

The better the girl treats me, I worse this bitterness becomes.

My 23rd birthday, my "gf" bought a cake and sang happy bday for me.

First times anyone has ever done that for me in my life. First time anyone has given me a present on my birthday. Usually all I get is a text from my mother. My best buddies are nowhere to be seen, those guys could care less.

I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I was really happy. Happy to have someone care. Even if it's only for a while.
But even this happiness is tainted with bitterness.

When the girls say, "I love you", I smile and pretend that everything is alright with the world. But deep down, there's this terrible feeling. The poison is eating me alive.

I think it stems from the realization that you can never love any of these girls truly. The red pill is bitter.

Today, when I was sitting in my car alone, I decided to finally open the present my ex-gf gave me. The thing had been sitting there for a long time unopened.
It was a little music box that played our favorite song. I got a little bit choked up, the sweet bitterness.

She left the country because her visa expired. Still calls me every few days to tell me how much she loves me. I know better because of you guys. She'll probably be ****ing another guy in a few months or so I just assume.

A true DJ I never call or text her first, never bought or pay anything for her. I learned from the best, from you guys.

I know you all like to pretend that you're emotionless android ****ing machine, but deep down, some of you probably can relate a little bit to what I'm saying.

To quote from my favorite movie, "even though I'm no better than a beast, don't I have the right to love?" What is life without someone that cares for you?

How can we grow and develop past this stage? Will we be spinning plates and continue this lifestyle when we're 60 years old?

skinnyguy · Jan 15, 2014

It is highly cynical.

You have to just keep an open mind. Who knows, you might meet the love of your life some day. The actual successful people I know are married and have children. I don't see that many successful people who are out fvcking different women on a nightly basis. Those guys have huge issues and really have nothing to look forward to. If you find a girl you love and get married, you have a lot to look forward to in terms of having a family together.

Things don't always end up working out perfectly, yet people still try for it. The whole red pill business happened because women reject men in droves. It's a way for men to cope with being rejected.

IndeedSir · Jan 15, 2014

Created an account just to reply to this.

This is something I struggled with initially because I am genuinely interested in a relationship. The further down the rabbit hole you go into psychology and neuroscience, you start to wonder whether we as people really are anything more than complex animals.

The majority of the techniques to attract women are rooted in giving them something they don't realise they want. This concept was very hard for me to swallow as I gain the most enjoyment out of the company of a great woman, not just sleeping with everything I can. It's difficult to swallow because you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. At the end of the day though, the most important aspect is the inner game, confidence, not giving a ****, knowing your value. If you're staying true to who you are, I think you eventually get over the fact that women can't choose to be attracted to you.

There is a lot of material out there than is for hooking up, but the most important parts are the stuff that applies to relationships. Finding a woman that is deserving of YOU, attracting her by being the fun, confident you, and keeping her interest. At the end of the day though, I don't think I've fully reconciled all the information I have about how people work. It's kind of like being able to see through the Matrix. It does make it harder to form bonds with people when you know why and how it all works.

b305d · Jan 15, 2014

skinnyguy said:
It is highly cynical.

You have to just keep an open mind. Who knows, you might meet the love of your life some day. The actual successful people I know are married and have children. I don't see that many successful people who are out fvcking different women on a nightly basis. Those guys have huge issues and really have nothing to look forward to. If you find a girl you love and get married, you have a lot to look forward to in terms of having a family together.

Things don't always end up working out perfectly, yet people still try for it. The whole red pill business happened because women reject men in droves. It's a way for men to cope with being rejected.

The general view is that most of these girls have been ****ing around when they were young and are tainted. The love is fleeting and if you marry them, one day you just might wake up next to your worse enemy.

As far as I can see during my time in college, this is mostly true. All around me, marriages are falling apart. I see many girls cheat (and men too).

It's difficult to witness this reality and still believe in any kind of romantic love. I don't think I've been cheated on, but I've been with girls who've cheated on their bf to be with me. Most DJ will come across this situation, it leaves a mark even though we pretend it doesn't.

For the life of me, I want to be able to trust another person fully in this life. It's not necessary. We men can cope with loneliness just fine. But life is just a little bit better when we can share it with someone that cares about us.

Ace9 · Jan 15, 2014

You're a lot better off than you give yourself credit for.

I too, am familiar with this bitter feeling. I believe it stems from the realization that everything is fleeting. What may be a source of happiness today can very well be a source of pain tomorrow. It's something I have accepted whole-heartldy, and I assure you as a result I take slim to none for granted.

There is no middle man in this game. Taken a step further...there is no love in it either. We're all hunters interested in the same thing...arguably

. Continue to go after what you want, continue to secretly fall for the occasional one

, and above all continue to enjoy the opposite sex. At any rate, remain steadfast in the skills taught here and through your experiences. The opportunity to act on your feelings will always be present, as I'm sure you know.

Use SS as a tool....not an authoritative figure. Regardless of the statistics, I believe there are some good ones left.

....somewhere. :rock:

Serenity · Jan 15, 2014

Turn your idea of morality against yourself, what are you doing wrong? People who are busy blaming the world fails to realize the hypocrisy they are engaging in. People don't care for those who doesn't care for themselves and others.

I can clearly understand your pain as I've felt it, I started cleaning in my own backyard. Point at yourself with complete honesty, see every mistake that you've had the power to choose differently. Don't blame others, see what part you played in it. Man the fvck up and take some serious responsibility for your long-term happiness.

As strange as this may sound to many of you, I actually have compassion for the people who hurt me. Because I now know that their pain which was projected onto me was caused by undeserved hurt in their past. I do however believe hard on justice. I would rather live alone than to please an undeserving fvck of a woman no matter how "pretty".

So how do you balance it? You're sincerely nice to people for the sake of being nice, then you ignore the ones who doesn't reciprocate. So in the context of your ex-gf, you are being an a$$hole. That sweet bitterness you are describing is you denying to believe that someone actually cares about you, because you don't care about you. For the sake of being clear, I do this to help you. I'm just not gonna make it pretty for you, because it's not.

How you see the world is how you see yourself.

b305d · Jan 15, 2014

Grewd said:
Turn your idea of morality against yourself, what are you doing wrong? People who are busy blaming the world fails to realize the hypocrisy they are engaging in. People don't care for those who doesn't care for themselves and others.

I can clearly understand your pain as I've felt it, I started cleaning in my own backyard. Point at yourself with complete honesty, see every mistake that you've had the power to choose differently. Don't blame others, see what part you played in it. Man the fvck up and take some serious responsibility for your long-term happiness.

As strange as this may sound to many of you, I actually have compassion for the people who hurt me. Because I now know that their pain which was projected onto me was caused by undeserved hurt in their past. I do however believe hard on justice. I would rather live alone than to please an undeserving fvck of a woman no matter how "pretty".

So how do you balance it? You're sincerely nice to people for the sake of being nice, then you ignore the ones who doesn't reciprocate. So in the context of your ex-gf, you are being an a$$hole. That sweet bitterness you are describing is you denying to believe that someone actually cares about you, because you don't care about you. For the sake of being clear, I do this to help you. I'm just not gonna make it pretty for you, because it's not.

How you see the world is how you see yourself.

I'm not one of those misogynist that hate women.

I treat them all with respect and on the surface, I reciprocate affection at just the right amount. I never talk about any of this with girls or guys I know irl.

Here's the thing though, some of these girls who "love" their boyfriend, I've seen them do things that made my gut churn.

I've seen guys on the brink of suicide. They thought these girls were good or have changed.

On the surface, I'm a cool and chill guy, but deep down it really bothers me and I have to wall myself off like many DJ. Which is the gist of this topic.

That ex-gf? Her bf at the time called her, right after we just had sex.

I don't know the guy, wouldn't do this to any guy I know.

She was laughing at his jokes. The guy had no idea what was coming. They broke up soon after. His only sin in life was being a beta.

If only she was the exception. I believe all women are capable of this and many of them have probably done it at some point in their life. I've seen and experience it. I can't just close my eyes and love blindly.

Deep down, we can't hide and this is where the bitterness comes from. And deep down I'm terrified that when I let myself love them fully, they will inflict this pain on me. Even worse if you're married to the girl and there's children.

But detachment comes at a price.

Tictac · Jan 15, 2014

Game does not have to be about treating women as interchangeable hands-free masturbation machines. In my view, it shouldn't be.

It's about realism in dealing with women, knowing that what you see is not what you get, that neither women nor men know what they want and how each sex deals with that.

Men and women are not equivalent. Neither sex is superior to the other. They are essential and complementary and always have been. We just think and
Act very differently.

If you're a hunter, it's valuable to know the ways of your prey. Women are not evil, stupid, mean or any of that other stuff. They are women. Best to know their ways. Meanwhile, we are men. We should not mistake our thought, feeling and action patterns as theirs.

TheException · Jan 15, 2014

Tictac said:
Women are not evil, stupid, mean or any of that other stuff. They are women.

This best sums up what certain "veteran posters" fail to grasp. They blame the predictable actions of a woman(like sh1t tests) on her conscious being and say shes trying to manipulate men. Whereas, the men who REALLY know whats going on.....know shes doing it to make sure she is dealing with an alpha male.

These are actually some of the best replies I have ever seen on a thread....and no one here has thousands of posts.

Tictac is EXACTLY right and in that quote above lies the solution........1.)Being able to see reality 2.) Accepting Reality

OP....Id say that you have partially accepted reality. You have obviously made progress and learned "fairytale movies" are not true. Men as a whole are embarrassing and pathetic....but not you. The main problem that you are stuck on is PLACING EVERY GIRL INTO THE LOW QUALITY CATEGORY. Just because you understand that women have the capability to cheat or that SOME women ride the carousel DOES NOT mean all women IN FACT RIDE THAT CAROUSEL. There exists high quality women and these women should be the standard we deal with when it comes to LTR and accept nothing less.

So combine the issue of only seeing "low quality" girls coupled with the fact that you sound a bit insecure about cheating....and wala.....you have your current state of despair. I would advise you of fully embracing the "Prize Mindset" and you have to truly believe that you are the catch in any relationship....not the woman. If she cheats.....shes fvckin done. Period. It should be no skin off your back, shes the one that lost out. This attitude will start to allay your fears of cheating.

Lastly.....high quality women. I say this with full sincerity......they are on a whole nother level. After you have dated one, you will understand and no longer let yourself deal with low quality women as LTR material. Ill tell you a quick personal story. There were girls from my past and beta days that I would literally cry over.....I wanted a relationship and i went full beta and predictably they bounced. Looking back.....those girls were absolutely NOTHING TO CRY OVER. They are now overweight, have sh1tty attitudes and are low quality women. My current girlfriend is high quality. The difference is night and day. She cooks, she cleans, we have sex all the time, shes supportive of my career, shes minimally b1tches(good luck finding one that doesnt at all), she works out in order to impress me and get a body FOR ME, etc etc. And guess what......she didnt ride no carousel.

This is an awesome post, and one that speaks volumes about your growth.

Bokanovsky · Jan 15, 2014

Some great responses in this thread. For me, the key to not being bitter towards women came through the realization that they are basically adult children. Kids often do irrational, selfish and stupid things, but do you feel "bitter" because of it? Of course not. You accept that this is how children are. Same with women.

As men, much of our frustrations with the opposite sex comes not from the actions of women themselves but from the unnatural social structure that tries to make men and women equal. Few would dispute that men are more logical and rational by nature, while women are more emotional. There are obvious evolutionary reasons for that. And you can't have a functional social system where emotions and logic are given equal weight. The only reason why our society has not yet collapsed is because men are still dominant in top government and corporate positions. If we ever achieve true "equality", the result will be absolute chaos.

b305d · Jan 15, 2014

TheException said:
This best sums up what certain "veteran posters" fail to grasp. They blame the predictable actions of a woman(like sh1t tests) on her conscious being and say shes trying to manipulate men. Whereas, the men who REALLY know whats going on.....know shes doing it to make sure she is dealing with an alpha male.

These are actually some of the best replies I have ever seen on a thread....and no one here has thousands of posts.

Tictac is EXACTLY right and in that quote above lies the solution........1.)Being able to see reality 2.) Accepting Reality

OP....Id say that you have partially accepted reality. You have obviously made progress and learned "fairytale movies" are not true. Men as a whole are embarrassing and pathetic....but not you. The main problem that you are stuck on is PLACING EVERY GIRL INTO THE LOW QUALITY CATEGORY. Just because you understand that women have the capability to cheat or that SOME women ride the carousel DOES NOT mean all women IN FACT RIDE THAT CAROUSEL. There exists high quality women and these women should be the standard we deal with when it comes to LTR and accept nothing less.

So combine the issue of only seeing "low quality" girls coupled with the fact that you sound a bit insecure about cheating....and wala.....you have your current state of despair. I would advise you of fully embracing the "Prize Mindset" and you have to truly believe that you are the catch in any relationship....not the woman. If she cheats.....shes fvckin done. Period. It should be no skin off your back, shes the one that lost out. This attitude will start to allay your fears of cheating.

Lastly.....high quality women. I say this with full sincerity......they are on a whole nother level. After you have dated one, you will understand and no longer let yourself deal with low quality women as LTR material. Ill tell you a quick personal story. There were girls from my past and beta days that I would literally cry over.....I wanted a relationship and i went full beta and predictably they bounced. Looking back.....those girls were absolutely NOTHING TO CRY OVER. They are now overweight, have sh1tty attitudes and are low quality women. My current girlfriend is high quality. The difference is night and day. She cooks, she cleans, we have sex all the time, shes supportive of my career, shes minimally b1tches(good luck finding one that doesnt at all), she works out in order to impress me and get a body FOR ME, etc etc. And guess what......she didnt ride no carousel.

This is an awesome post, and one that speaks volumes about your growth.

You're right, man. The problem is I'm bottom feeding these young hot *****es/party girl.

I once dated a girl that I'm confident would never cheat even if I left her for a year (she pours beer for me when the glass is empty). And it wasn't because of money, her family is mega-rich.

The problem is she wasn't good-looking enough for my taste and somewhat boring.
A man really can't have everything.

Consider this topic one of my moment of weakness.

It's really much easier when these carousel-riding girls act like *****es, but when they treat you like a god and show so much affection, even a heart of ice will melt. It doesn't help that they're usually much better looking than the nice girls.

It's easy to forget how I got them in the first place and that they can turn on you in a dime.

I think in the future, I'm just going to avoid these types of women. Even though they might never betray you, the anticipation just cause too much cognitive dissonance and that **** messed me up.

I've always thought I could keep my feelings in-check like the original plan, but lesson learned.

zekko · Jan 15, 2014

First off, there's no such thing as a red pill, really. It's just life. Life is going on.

Secondly, there's no reason you can't enjoy a girl on your terms, as a girlfriend, as long as her behavior proves worthy of you. Just get the idea of "forever" out of your mind.

Spin plates, **** as many girls as you can, stop caring so much about them.

But what happens when you get older?

That's great advice for an up and coming guy in his twenties. But like you say, as you get older, you want something more substantial. Nobody wants to eat candy (empty calories) for every meal.

thatfeel · Jan 15, 2014

I am a sappy fvcker so yes OP I relate.

I was talking to my gf a little about this last night. She is double my age and some of her insight is interesting, but it lends a twisted perspective of some of the reality.

We were talking about marriages and longevity of relationships, and the many facets of them. It got to the point where she couldn't see why a man would want to be tied down to something like a marriage, in her eyes she's witnessed many a women get caught up with someone and get engaged just to say they have a fiance or a husband, etc., and thinks that men are more likely to settle, because of many reasons, e.g. hard to meet someone, etc.

What's funny is I hear a little red pill from her when she said this stuff. But I think it all comes back down to the fact that men and women will never truly understand what kind of love the opposite sex really wants.

This forum is a huge voice against oneitis IF ONLY because advocates against it proclaim that those suffering delude themselves into believing that there is something special and unique about a woman they are coveting to make them a special snowflake, when in reality there is really nothing unique or special about her and worst case if you don't end up with her in the long term then you'll still be able to find someone else because "they're all the same and no one is special".

This is where I get a little emotional and like to start talking about things like loyalty, companionship, unconditional love, etc. As a man I have no problem committing to one woman even if there truly IS nothing special about her that can set her apart and I can't even explain why without it being an appeal to emotion. It's just how I feel and what I want.

But what the uncomforting truth is, is that in the end, finding someone who reflects consistent character and positive virtue, and is willing to remain committed to you in return, will be an extremely rare find. When I say this I'm referring to all those times you've asked friends/family what makes relationships don't last: "we grew in different directions" "I realized one morning I woke up next to that person and didn't like him anymore" "Well I didn't need a man to take care of me, we don't have any kids to take care of, I knew what he needed". And those are all the sort of things you ought to be able to address through conversation alone, backed up with a willingness to see the outcome through, for better or for worse. It just never happens. People are willing to turn their backs on committed relationships on a dime which is what I really have a hard time grasping and what I fear the most. And that is why I fear for LTRs in the long run.

I know that this is the only life we get, and we ought to live for ourselves, but what is so wrong with two people wanting to live for each other? Those times are dead and they make me sad. That's all.

b305d · Jan 15, 2014

thatfeel said:
I am a sappy fvcker so yes OP I relate.

I was talking to my gf a little about this last night. She is double my age and some of her insight is interesting, but it lends a twisted perspective of some of the reality.

We were talking about marriages and longevity of relationships, and the many facets of them. It got to the point where she couldn't see why a man would want to be tied down to something like a marriage, in her eyes she's witnessed many a women get caught up with someone and get engaged just to say they have a fiance or a husband, etc., and thinks that men are more likely to settle, because of many reasons, e.g. hard to meet someone, etc.

What's funny is I hear a little red pill from her when she said this stuff. But I think it all comes back down to the fact that men and women will never truly understand what kind of love the opposite sex really wants.

This forum is a huge voice against oneitis IF ONLY because advocates against it proclaim that those suffering delude themselves into believing that there is something special and unique about a woman they are coveting to make them a special snowflake, when in reality there is really nothing unique or special about her and worst case if you don't end up with her in the long term then you'll still be able to find someone else because "they're all the same and no one is special".

This is where I get a little emotional and like to start talking about things like loyalty, companionship, unconditional love, etc. As a man I have no problem committing to one woman even if there truly IS nothing special about her that can set her apart and I can't even explain why without it being an appeal to emotion. It's just how I feel and what I want.

But what the uncomforting truth is, is that in the end, finding someone who reflects consistent character and positive virtue, and is willing to remain committed to you in return, will be an extremely rare find. When I say this I'm referring to all those times you've asked friends/family what makes relationships don't last: "we grew in different directions" "I realized one morning I woke up next to that person and didn't like him anymore" "Well I didn't need a man to take care of me, we don't have any kids to take care of, I knew what he needed". And those are all the sort of things you ought to be able to address through conversation alone, backed up with a willingness to see the outcome through, for better or for worse. It just never happens. People are willing to turn their backs on committed relationships on a dime which is what I really have a hard time grasping and what I fear the most. And that is why I fear for LTRs in the long run.

I know that this is the only life we get, and we ought to live for ourselves, but what is so wrong with two people wanting to live for each other? Those times are dead and they make me sad. That's all.

You said it all, man.

I find that in the long run, I eventually get used to the sex with any girl, even if they're really good-looking.

I don't want to spend my life chasing *****, it's empty, like taking the next hit of dope.

Friends inevitably drift away, even the best of them don't really care about you that much unless you've been through hell together.

I just want a decent looking girl with a stable personality that I can trust and share my life with. It's not oneitis.

But many women, I found, have these uncontrollable mood-swing.

Even when you maintain the frame, IL eventually decrease in a LTR.

That when they turn into a completely different person and the relationship goes to ****. They don't realize that it's not possible to keep feeling that "rush" (love) forever, the brain doesn't work that way.

gravityeyelids · Jan 15, 2014

i feel the same way. Or at least i used to. When i was very in love with my girlfriend i felt this same....bitterness you felt. She was a fantastic girl, and if I would have told anyone that knew us and our relationship that i don't trust her and that i know she was capable of cheating they would've called me insane. After hanging out with girls a lot, reading up on this stuff and experiencing it, it constantly surprises me how nasty it is out there.

I don't care. After seeing men being completely torn apart by women who apparently loved them I refuse to be one of these men. If that means i can never truly trust a girl and completely throw myself into her, then fine. I'd rather be aware of what people are actually like than blissfully ignorant. Because those people who are blissfully ignorant wind up with their d!ck in their hands going "wha? what happened? How did it end up like this?" After seeing so many failed marriages and girls cheating with abandon... I mean it truly isnt just the girls' fault. Men cheat too. Maybe it's cause society has softened men to be pansies. But when i look at a girl that is showing affection and see this beautiful face that looks like it could never lie to me, i see through it...I know from experience that this is a front, and that behind this is an extraordinarily manipulative women fully capable of ripping a man's heart to shreds and wiping it all over the floor. So i harden up to match this and ensure I don't wind up one of those poor miserable bastarrds who post on this forum about their wife of 10 years having been cheating on them for nearly the entire time. I mean can you imagine? You know that sickening feeling when you drop a ton of money at the casino and lose every penny? If you play poker, you know this feeling as well...Going all in with greed in your eyes, looking to double and triple your money, and then losing and knowing the guy across the table carefully played you and took you for all you're worth.

I mean i'm not completely joyless, i have a great time with girls and they bring me a lot of happiness. But i'm never going to completely put my guard down. I won't be taken for a sap. I refuse to. Call me cold, but to me there is nothing worse than being played for a fool. I'm lucky to have not really experienced much of this...Unless you count my AFC days when i had a huge crush on my prom date...spent tons of money on her, only to have her bail on me at the dance to hangout with this other guy who wasnt a pansy like me. I'm glad stuff like that happened, because i vowed to not let it happen again. And i see guys in college still pulling the same pathetic AFC sh!t, and while i feel bad for them i can't help but feel some satisfaction that i transcended it.

Don Draper - "By love you mean big lightning bolts to the heart, where you can't eat and you can't work, and you just run off and get married and make babies? The reason you haven't felt is because it doesn't exist. What you call love was invented by guys like me...to sell nylons."

pdx1138 · Jan 15, 2014

b305d said:
I just want a decent looking girl with a stable personality that I can trust and share my life with. It's not oneitis.

But many women, I found, have these uncontrollable mood-swing.

Even when you maintain the frame, IL eventually decrease in a LTR.

That when they turn into a completely different person and the relationship goes to ****. They don't realize that it's not possible to keep feeling that "rush" (love) forever, the brain doesn't work that way.

b305d, we think similar.

I've learned to take things one day at a time and be grateful for that...but vigilant at the same time.

I'd like to spend the rest of my life with the woman I'm with now.
But from what I've learned in the past (my experiences)...I don't know what will transpire months, years from now.

So I enjoy each day with a guarded eye. I found I'm comfortable with that sort of "self-protection mechanism."

In my opinion It's better than being alone or allowing yourself to be destroyed by your significant other. (if it does come to an unpleasant end)

dasein · Jan 15, 2014

1. "Bitterness" is a gynoculture word, a shaming term, a semantic nullity. It has no place in any kind of precise language that attempts to describe emotions. You won't hear any scientists, scholars or legitimate thinkers using it, so where did it come from?

"Angry," "annoyed," "frustrated," "unhappy," etc., many better words. So perhaps the first step is to choose a noncompromised vocabulary to describe feelings more precisely and realize there are vocabulary traps set all around us by "blue pill" gynoculture. We haven't really taken the red pill until we have flushed out ALL of the blue conditioning, and that's much more difficult and time-consuming than the "pill taking" analogy suggests.

Almost all of the time I've heard "bitter" being applied has been by a woman to a man or by an effeminate or gay man towards whomever. My male friends and I don't use it... certainly never heard my dad, grandfathers or uncles say it. It is a feminine word and operates as a simple shaming tool. If someone is just angry, they may not be at fault, after all, many situations in life deserve an angry response. If they are 'bitter' though, there is a presumption that their feelings are misplaced and that they share blame for having them. Don't play.

"Bitter" is a taste sensation, people who use it as a "feeling" term generally have manipulative, feminine intent IME. Move past gynoculture language, be it the word "bitter" or otherwise to move past -their- frame towards -your- frame.

2. The point in revaluing values is not to cling to the unbroken remainder, but to shatter them entirely and do away with the shards. When we claim to have swallowed a red pill and then simultaneously use gynoculture shaming phrases like "man up" (or accept such semantic crap without an immediate reaction) we haven't really swallowed anything, the pill isn't down yet.

When we accept a "red pill" reality about the nature of women, and then in the very next breath validate gynoculture platitudes such as "you don't want to die alone do you?" "are you ever going to grow up and settle down?" "don't you want someone to share your life with?" it's like we are the kid sticking our foot in and out of cool water in a pool. Our foot is wet, but we aren't really in the water yet. (not accusing OP or anyone of doing this, just attempting a point)

All the above platitudes together with all the other gynoculture platitudes are immediately logically and even emotionally inconsistent, manipulative always. EVERYONE dies alone because no one lives in your head with you. There are more meaningful milestones associated with "growing up" than the ability to successfully reproduce and pay for another human creature's existence. That's a rather high limbo stick to get under, right? shooting viable sperm, holding down a job to pay for a roof? Are we not capable of loftier aim than that as adult self-directed men? This type of "man logic" can be applied towards demolishing most all the gynoculture platitudes without breaking a sweat. "Children aren't your future, YOU are your f-cking future!"

So anyway, enough for one post, but my sense is that OP hasn't really swallowed the pill yet, or if he has that it hasn't truly kicked in. Only gynoculture will tell you the true results are "bitter" (or selfish, or immature, or greedy whatever), that's because gynoculture has the ability to take the most beautiful things such as freedom and pervert them into vices. Just like the bossy girlfriend, it's "my way or the highway."

Freedom from misperception, from ignorance, is the sweetest tasting thing on earth, never bitter. You are tasting the bitterness from your old female manipulated frame. When you find your true frame, you will never feel any bitterness associated with the red pill again.

user43770 · Jan 15, 2014

dasein said:
1. "Bitterness" is a gynoculture word, a shaming term, a semantic nullity. It has no place in any kind of precise language that attempts to describe emotions. You won't hear any scientists, scholars or legitimate thinkers using it, so where did it come from?

"Angry," "annoyed," "frustrated," "unhappy," etc., many better words. So perhaps the first step is to choose a noncompromised vocabulary to describe feelings more precisely and realize there are vocabulary traps set all around us by "blue pill" gynoculture. We haven't really taken the red pill until we have flushed out ALL of the blue conditioning, and that's much more difficult and time-consuming than the "pill taking" analogy suggests.

Almost all of the time I've heard "bitter" being applied has been by a woman to a man or by an effeminate or gay man towards whomever. My male friends and I don't use it... certainly never heard my dad, grandfathers or uncles say it. It is a feminine word and operates as a simple shaming tool. If someone is just angry, they may not be at fault, after all, many situations in life deserve an angry response. If they are 'bitter' though, there is a presumption that their feelings are misplaced and that they share blame for having them. Don't play.

"Bitter" is a taste sensation, people who use it as a "feeling" term generally have manipulative, feminine intent IME. Move past gynoculture language, be it the word "bitter" or otherwise to move past -their- frame towards -your- frame.

2. The point in revaluing values is not to cling to the unbroken remainder, but to shatter them entirely and do away with the shards. When we claim to have swallowed a red pill and then simultaneously use gynoculture shaming phrases like "man up" (or accept such semantic crap without an immediate reaction) we haven't really swallowed anything, the pill isn't down yet.

When we accept a "red pill" reality about the nature of women, and then in the very next breath validate gynoculture platitudes such as "you don't want to die alone do you?" "are you ever going to grow up and settle down?" "don't you want someone to share your life with?" it's like we are the kid sticking our foot in and out of cool water in a pool. Our foot is wet, but we aren't really in the water yet. (not accusing OP or anyone of doing this, just attempting a point)

All the above platitudes together with all the other gynoculture platitudes are immediately logically and even emotionally inconsistent, manipulative always. EVERYONE dies alone because no one lives in your head with you. There are more meaningful milestones associated with "growing up" than the ability to successfully reproduce and pay for another human creature's existence. That's a rather high limbo stick to get under, right? shooting viable sperm, holding down a job to pay for a roof? Are we not capable of loftier aim than that as adult self-directed men? This type of "man logic" can be applied towards demolishing most all the gynoculture platitudes without breaking a sweat. "Children aren't your future, YOU are your f-cking future!"

So anyway, enough for one post, but my sense is that OP hasn't really swallowed the pill yet, or if he has that it hasn't truly kicked in. Only gynoculture will tell you the true results are "bitter" (or selfish, or immature, or greedy whatever), that's because gynoculture has the ability to take the most beautiful things such as freedom and pervert them into vices. Just like the bossy girlfriend, it's "my way or the highway."

Freedom from misperception, from ignorance, is the sweetest tasting thing on earth, never bitter. You are tasting the bitterness from your old female manipulated frame. When you find your true frame, you will never feel any bitterness associated with the red pill again.

Boom! Down goes feminism. Knockout punch.

PlayHer Man · Jan 15, 2014

The red pill is both bitter and liberating at the same time.

From being on this site I've realized a lot of red pill "men" are not truly red pill. Many of them still believe in marriage and soul mates. :crackup:

Once you TRULY accept the red pill the bitterness eventually goes away and you feel empowered. As long as you believe in the golden vagina you will be a slave to your emotions and your penis.

Once a man stops seeking the imaginary golden vagina ( That the media brainwashed him into believing in..) THAT will be when he feels truly free and at peace.

Women are for sex and reproduction. They are not meant to be your emotional support system or life partner. That is not what nature intended.. that is what Disney movies intended. Marriage was originally designed to keep women under control raising kids while men f*cked other women on the side. :yes:

foreverAFC · Jan 15, 2014

i use substance abuse to escape from those kind of feelings, theres just no answer

the bitterness of the red pill

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