Messaged a random 18 year old on Myspace..

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azanon said:
I'm very glad you post your age, or claim to be 36, because if you didn't, I'd be absolutely convinced you don't meet the qualifications to post here. I've felt this way about you pretty much after reading 3 of your posts.
Why's that? Because I end up in the back of a limo with a bunch of 20 somethings and one of them starts flirting with me? Actually the only one that wasn't flirting with me that night was my friends wife....

I can assure you that I am 36 going on 37 (ask Rollo, Deep Dish, or Karma who have all met me) and I don't post made-up stories.

I don't see where I said to act in a different way based upon the age of the woman. I was merely refuting the notion that my age is a detriment. If anything, its a benefit. It seems as if you agree with me, actually.
Yea, I was agreeing with you. Why did you think anything different?

I DO act differently around younger women because I know how they can be. They will say older guys are "creepy" until someone like me or one of my friends (who also look good for their age and don't act like senior citizens) comes along and before they know it....BAM! they find themselves attracted to a guy who is a few years younger than their dad.

It's kind of awkward at family functions, but that's one of the reasons why I tend to NOT get into LTR's with much younger women.
 

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i think the best way to think bout it is that why dont girls who are 18,19 dont find george cloney creepy?? lol ....and im sure the dude delt with enough teens just that no one knows bout it..... its true wht ppl said on these posts.. its bout social proof age , aint nothin but a number
I don't think that many 18 or 19 yo girls fantasize about George Clooney. They may find him to be attractive for an older guy, but they're much more apt to be attracted to a younger famous actor.

I don't understand the appeal of 18 year olds for dudes in their 30's. Sure they look great, but most are just annoying.

Wouldn't you feel a little lame walking around with someone who could be your daughter? I mean, how would the conversation go?

We're not talking about random situations where an 18 or 19 yo hottie happens to land in your lap. Like some drunk chick at a party or whatever.

I'm just talking about pursuing girls this young. Not worth it IMO.
 

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I don't think that many 18 or 19 yo girls fantasize about George Clooney. They may find him to be attractive for an older guy, but they're much more apt to be attracted to a younger famous actor.

I don't understand the appeal of 18 year olds for dudes in their 30's. Sure they look great, but most are just annoying.

Wouldn't you feel a little lame walking around with someone who could be your daughter? I mean, how would the conversation go?

We're not talking about random situations where an 18 or 19 yo hottie happens to land in your lap. Like some drunk chick at a party or whatever.

I'm just talking about pursuing girls this young. Not worth it IMO.
Dude, relax! It was a random girl on the other side of the country and I had no intention of dating her.

I completely agree. Some younger women aren't worth bothering with. It's not so much their age that is relevant but their maturity level.
 

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Dude, relax! It was a random girl on the other side of the country and I had no intention of dating her.

I completely agree. Some younger women aren't worth bothering with. It's not so much their age that is relevant but their maturity level.
Uhhh, I was relaxed.

I get where you're coming from. I hooked up with a 21yo skank once, she liked to joke and call me "old man" and crap like that. I think she was trying to cut down my self-esteem in the form of a "joke". LOL

Fact is, I look better, have more money, more wisdom, and more confidence now than I did when I was 21. Way way more... of all of them.
 

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Fact is, I look better, have more money, more wisdom, and more confidence now than I did when I was 21. Way way more... of all of them.
Right on, I wasn't half the man I am now 10 years. :rockon:
 

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Right on, I wasn't half the man I am now 10 years. :rockon:
A man in his 30's is in his prime. Hell, I know guys in their 40's who bang girls in their early/mid 20's.

Mid 20's is ideal for me. They've still got the hot body, pretty face, but they're a little more mature/classy and they dress sexier (usually).

The older I get, the less appealing the 18/19yo's look. I look at them as children with hot bodies more than anything.

There are exceptions of course, occasionally an 18yo will have a mature mind... but this is rare.
 

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Why's that? Because I end up in the back of a limo with a bunch of 20 somethings and one of them starts flirting with me? Actually the only one that wasn't flirting with me that night was my friends wife....

I can assure you that I am 36 going on 37 (ask Rollo, Deep Dish, or Karma who have all met me) and I don't post made-up stories.
Sorry, I believe I misunderstood you earlier to say my advise contributes to males failing miserably. Having read that again, I see you were actually supporting me.

To explain my quip back to you; I believe you're 36. I was just trying to say that a lot of your personal stories seem more indicative of the lifestyle of a 19-21 year old. I say that completely as an observation, be it an insult or a compliment. But I do wonder if that's a good thing, or if it should concern you?

I'm all for considering a woman of any age a potential "partner" of sorts - fb, ons, or maybe even long term mate. But I'm not sure I'd go so far as to recommend guys our age basically living a "college lifestyle". If i were single and were going to meet a woman of that age, it would be during the course of living my "30-something" lifestyle amongst my predominately 30-something year old friends.

Your 10 lessons learned were spot on, in that other thread. Solid advise from a 30 something.

I also apologize on behalf of the forum administrator for having to wait a full day to respond to you. Yesterday, I made the excessive decision to participate in two threads at once causing me to exceed the exuberant amount of 10 posts.
 

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I've had pretty good luck with the myspace thing. I've landed three plates from it. To me its just a higher form of flirting with text messages. You just have to be cool about it and the way you go about meeting chicks,...not like the OP did...
 

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Azanon,

While I can empathize with where you are coming from....I think people should do what makes them happy. Why is being 30 something while living the life of an early 20 something bad?

I tend to go out a lot and plan to for some time yet, regardless of my age.
The dude will live a "30's lifestyle" - when he's in his late 40's. Sounds like a good way to go for me. What's he supposed to be doing, listening to Lawrence Welk? (that reference just dated me right there)
 

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azanon said:
To explain my quip back to you; I believe you're 36. I was just trying to say that a lot of your personal stories seem more indicative of the lifestyle of a 19-21 year old. I say that completely as an observation, be it an insult or a compliment. But I do wonder if that's a good thing, or if it should concern you?
Is it a good thing?

Lets put it this way. I own two businesses, own or have owned about a dozen pieces of residential and commercial real estate, have experience in about a dozen different fields ranging from electronics to marketing to retail store design.

So I don't exactly "live the lifestyle of a 19-21 yr old". I know people in that age group and I hang out with them from time to time, but I'm not out every night pounding Jager bombs until my friends have to carry me home.

I'm all for considering a woman of any age a potential "partner" of sorts - fb, ons, or maybe even long term mate. But I'm not sure I'd go so far as to recommend guys our age basically living a "college lifestyle". If i were single and were going to meet a woman of that age, it would be during the course of living my "30-something" lifestyle amongst my predominately 30-something year old friends.
What is a "30 something lifestyle"?

Quite a few of my 30 something friends are married. I don't have much of anything in common with them. All they want to do is sit home and get fat until their wife dumps them (unbeknownst to them, of course).

My 30 something friends who AREN'T married live a lifestyle similar to mine. Go out once maybe twice a week. If you end up in the the hot tub at 3am with a bunch of naked chicks, you might not get to bed before 5 from time to time. Comes with the territory.

They also like to travel. Europe, Carribbean, all over the US, etc. Most of them make good money and are pretty happy with their lives.

See, you have been married for your entire adult life, so I can't expect you to understand the dynamic here, but if you are a single, active guy in his 30's chances are you have friends ranging in age from early 20's to mid 40's. There is no longer a "generation gap" as there was between the boomers and gen x. Nowadays if you don't follow the traditional path you will find yourself socializing with people of all ages.

I also apologize on behalf of the forum administrator for having to wait a full day to respond to you. Yesterday, I made the excessive decision to participate in two threads at once causing me to exceed the exuberant amount of 10 posts.
Yea, we have already lost a few good posters because of it. I don't usually hit the limit but there has been once or twice where I was ready to call this place quits cause i couldn't continue a discussion. I think we did shake iqqi off like a bad case of fleas though....and that's a good thing.....
 

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The problem is that women cannot just accept a compliment. The feministic society we live in has taught women that compliments from men = wanting sex. There's nothing wrong with giving compliments to a woman you're already fvcking, but if you're not fvcking her, you're a dirty pig. The age gap just added to the insult that she interpreted.
 

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Is it a good thing?

Lets put it this way. I own two businesses, own or have owned about a dozen pieces of residential and commercial real estate, have experience in about a dozen different fields ranging from electronics to marketing to retail store design.
So, in other words, you're still searching to decide what you really want to be when you grow up? ;) Or was this the actual game plan; to completely change fields and investment styles over and over? That's consistent with how I'm seeing you describe your personal life.

So I don't exactly "live the lifestyle of a 19-21 yr old". I know people in that age group and I hang out with them from time to time, but I'm not out every night pounding Jager bombs until my friends have to carry me home.
Plain and simple, I don't and wouldn't much hang out with 19-21 year olds because I have slightly more than nothing in common with them. I occasionally beat a kid (aka a 19-21 year old) in tennis because guys my age usually get too fat to give me any competition. But that's about it.

What is a "30 something lifestyle"?
Well, want the cliff notes on me? 40hrs/week as a professional, I workout/play sports at least 10 hrs/week, manage finances, have wife and kid, go on trips on weekend with the family, maybe go to a college football game with guys/gals my age, social events with, you guessed it, people my age, etc., sip coffee watching CNN, etc.


Quite a few of my 30 something friends are married. I don't have much of anything in common with them.
Exactly my point! At least you're agreeing with my essential premise; that you're identifying more with folks younger than you. Again I ask, is this a good thing or not? I'm not answering that question. I'm asking everyone.

All they want to do is sit home and get fat until their wife dumps them (unbeknownst to them, of course).
What about the successful ones with pretty wives? I've friends with at least 10 men like this?!?

My 30 something friends who AREN'T married live a lifestyle similar to mine. Go out once maybe twice a week. If you end up in the the hot tub at 3am with a bunch of naked chicks, you might not get to bed before 5 from time to time. Comes with the territory.

See, you have been married for your entire adult life, so I can't expect you to understand the dynamic here
Oh I understand the dymanic alright. I've already identified it. You're 36, and you're living a social life similar to a 19 year old - or at least that how it reads to me. Might as well be proud and happy as you claim to be. Because that is the reality of it.

but if you are a single, active guy in his 30's chances are you have friends ranging in age from early 20's to mid 40's. There is no longer a "generation gap" as there was between the boomers and gen x. Nowadays if you don't follow the traditional path you will find yourself socializing with people of all ages.
If i had the impression the average age of your friends was early-mid 30s, I wouldn't be on your case. That's the average age of my friends. Don't go subtly switching on me here. Again, if you have friends that you mingle with outside of work thoughout that age range, then I don't really have any issue here.

Yes, I have a couple of outlier friends who are early 20s myself. "A Couple" is literal.
 

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azanon said:
Well, want the cliff notes on me? 40hrs/week as a professional, I workout/play sports at least 10 hrs/week, manage finances, have wife and kid, go on trips on weekend with the family, maybe go to a college football game with guys/gals my age, social events with, you guessed it, people my age, etc., sip coffee watching CNN, etc.
azanon, I'm not looking to join the debate you and Str8up have going on but I just have to say it, the lifestyle you describe sounds utterly boring to ME. It may be awesome and kick-ass to YOU. More power to you. But call it immaturity, call it what you will. That's not how I want to live my life.

Exactly my point! At least you're agreeing with my essential premise; that you're identifying more with folks younger than you. Again I ask, is this a good thing or not? I'm not answering that question. I'm asking everyone.
That's a stereotype to say that only young people enjoy the lifestyle str8up was describing. I mean, sure traditionally it was the case that once a guy reaches a certain age, he would get married, have kids and work the 9-5 job. But the world is changing. The old mold is broken. There are no molds anymore. People should live the lifestyle they enjoy whether it be the one you have chosen or the one Str8 chooses to live.
 

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azanon said:
So, in other words, you're still searching to decide what you really want to be when you grow up? ;) Or was this the actual game plan; to completely change fields and investment styles over and over? That's consistent with how I'm seeing you describe your personal life.
I know exactly what I want to be when I grow up; the same thing I have been since I was 25 years old....an entrepreneur.

I'm not an "investor", I am a businessman, so I don't change "investment styles". I don't have a 9-5 and I don't read the investment publications to try to pick the next winning stock. I go out and find opportunities and capitalize on them, and I have learned a SH!TLOAD of different skills along the way.

When you have a head for business and especially marketing, it doesn't matter if you are selling snowcones or mega-yachts.....it isn't about the product, it's about the message. My business dealings have taken me full circle through the triad, and I can proudly say that I have made and lost money in all three, and have gotten to the point where my skills are honed and I'm primed with resources that I am beginning to channel in a couple of different directions.

Plain and simple, I don't and wouldn't much hang out with 19-21 year olds because I have slightly more than nothing in common with them. I occasionally beat a kid (aka a 19-21 year old) in tennis because guys my age usually get too fat to give me any competition. But that's about it.
Since I turned 30 I have actually only dated a couple of 20-21 yr olds, and messed around with a few more. Most of the girls I'm around tend to be in the 23-27 range, with a few 30 somethings here and there.

Well, want the cliff notes on me? 40hrs/week as a professional, I workout/play sports at least 10 hrs/week, manage finances, have wife and kid, go on trips on weekend with the family, maybe go to a college football game with guys/gals my age, social events with, you guessed it, people my age, etc., sip coffee watching CNN, etc.
That explains why you have YOUR version of what a 30 something should live like, because you live like a typical 30 something in most ways.

MY version of a 30 something lifestyle is a little different.

I work 30 some hours in my retail business (since the economy sucks....it will be much less when things turn around). I am starting another business creating and wholesaling/retailing a certain type of products. I am also producing an informational video to go along with it. So right now I put in another 10-15 or so hours a week into the new venture.

That leaves me with a little time to work out, hit the town (sometimes once a week, sometime three times a week, sometimes not at all) with my male and female friends of various ages. I go to parties from time to time. I travel whenever possible, for business and pleasure.

Sometimes I end up in crazy situations, but I wouldn't trade my life for anything.


Exactly my point! At least you're agreeing with my essential premise; that you're identifying more with folks younger than you. Again I ask, is this a good thing or not? I'm not answering that question. I'm asking everyone.
I do agree that I identify better with younger people, because I chose not to travel the path society tried to lay out for me.

Is it a good thing? Do you think Hef is complaining about his life these days? He looks like a happy SOB to me. Do I want HIS lifestyle when I turn 80? That remains to be seen. Probably not, but more power to anyone who does!

What about the successful ones with pretty wives? I've friends with at least 10 men like this?!?
My comment was of course a generalization, however, I am still a firm believer that the overwhelming majority of marriages are held together by a very thin thread, whether it be kids, insecurity, fear, societal pressure, etc.

Oh I understand the dymanic alright. I've already identified it. You're 36, and you're living a social life similar to a 19 year old - or at least that how it reads to me. Might as well be proud and happy as you claim to be. Because that is the reality of it.
No, you don't understand the dynamic. You are still stuck with the notion that you move from one stage of life to the next, with certain things that define each transition. That isn't how it works these days.

I dictate the terms of my life. Society might still try to pressure me, and women certainly try to shame me into compliance, but the fact of the matter is things are different today than they were when our parents were our age.

If i had the impression the average age of your friends was early-mid 30s, I wouldn't be on your case.
Meaning you wouldn't be trying to shame me. Continue...

That's the average age of my friends. Don't go subtly switching on me here. Again, if you have friends that you mingle with outside of work thoughout that age range, then I don't really have any issue here.

Yes, I have a couple of outlier friends who are early 20s myself. "A Couple" is literal.
Lets see.....a quick browse through my top Myspace friends.....ages 22 to 37, average I would say about 31. Factor in a couple of other good friends who are in their late 30's-mid 40's and it probably brings my actual FRIENDS average age up to around 33-34. The other 40 some acquaintances on there....23-44, average about 28 i would say.

Conclusion.....yes, I hang tend to hang out with younger, single people who compliment my lifestyle better than older, married people.
 

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STR8UP said:
I know exactly what I want to be when I grow up; the same thing I have been since I was 25 years old....an entrepreneur.

I'm not an "investor", I am a businessman, so I don't change "investment styles". I don't have a 9-5 and I don't read the investment publications to try to pick the next winning stock. I go out and find opportunities and capitalize on them, and I have learned a SH!TLOAD of different skills along the way.

When you have a head for business and especially marketing, it doesn't matter if you are selling snowcones or mega-yachts.....it isn't about the product, it's about the message. My business dealings have taken me full circle through the triad, and I can proudly say that I have made and lost money in all three, and have gotten to the point where my skills are honed and I'm primed with resources that I am beginning to channel in a couple of different directions.
I can respect this, and again I was sort of joking with you. I honestly don't have the guts to take business risks like that.

That explains why you have YOUR version of what a 30 something should live like, because you live like a typical 30 something in most ways.

MY version of a 30 something lifestyle is a little different.
I'm fine with this. To be clear, I don't see anything wrong with my life "appearing" like my age. The "norm" is not always a bad thing, despite SS's leanings.

Sometimes I end up in crazy situations, but I wouldn't trade my life for anything.
In small areas of my life, I dabble in things that's probably more a norm for you. I can identify with the bitter sweet. The highs can be really high, but sometimes the risks border on extreme. Compared to me just behaving, its a close call as to which is better.

My comment was of course a generalization, however, I am still a firm believer that the overwhelming majority of marriages are held together by a very thin thread, whether it be kids, insecurity, fear, societal pressure, etc.
Probably true. I've addressed this before though by stating that I'm not the norm. The norm in America is pathetic, men included. My point is, what can the average loser guy expect... a great marriage if he marries? Of course not.

No, you don't understand the dynamic. You are still stuck with the notion that you move from one stage of life to the next, with certain things that define each transition. That isn't how it works these days.
You mean, this isn't how it works with you.

I'm shooting you completely straight; I'd be bored to mental tears if I piled into a Limo with a bunch of (probably) mindless, almost teenager girls, "acting a fool" with them. As hot as a young piece of a$$ can be, I'd have to create mental and self-dignity suicide to get caught doing that sort of thing.

I dictate the terms of my life. Society might still try to pressure me, and women certainly try to shame me into compliance, but the fact of the matter is things are different today than they were when our parents were our age.
You sure? I'm no history buff, but I'm told the 60s was pretty wild (sexually), and the 70s was too.

Meaning you wouldn't be trying to shame me. Continue...
That's not what this is about. Look, I apologized for mistaking your original post for an attack. But I thought you were due an explanation to my response quip. I'm just giving you one point of view, however wrong it may be.

Lets see.....a quick browse through my top Myspace friends.....ages 22 to 37, average I would say about 31. Factor in a couple of other good friends who are in their late 30's-mid 40's and it probably brings my actual FRIENDS average age up to around 33-34. The other 40 some acquaintances on there....23-44, average about 28 i would say.
Then why continue this? Seems like there's no argument here.

Conclusion.....yes, I hang tend to hang out with younger, single people who compliment my lifestyle better than older, married people.
Again, doesn't really seem like an argument here. Glad we cleared up the misunderstandings.

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btw, I don't hardly have any women on my myspace page. I've been married for 15 years+ now, and though I have women friends, its best I not get too close to any of them for temptation reasons. I do cut myself a break on that though, because why would a married guy be out making a lot of lady friends unless he were trying to get into trouble.
 

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I have added about 300 girls to my myspace page over the past few days. I have about 500 more friend requests pending. All of the are the most attractive girls I can find, and they are as young as 17. None of them are than mid-20's. I am actually adding them because I want to solicit them to promote cage fights, but they don't know that yet. The most I have gotten in the way of objection is "do I know you?" which is just an honest question.

I think it helps that I don't have a creepy profile. A lot of guys have the all-too-common shirtless bedroom self-pic. That is creepy; the pic should be of you out in public doing something, not alone in your bedroom. Also, I don't have "dating" or "LTR" in the 'here for' section, I'm 'in a relationship,' and my #1 friend is my girlfriend who has a picture of both of us as her default. I think these things make it look like I'm not hitting on the girl, which of course is coincidentally the key to hitting on any hot girl in any way, Internet or real life. If the first words you say are something about her being attractive or desiring her, or if in person you make that obvious by doing something like staring at her t!ts, then you are doomed from the very beginning of the interaction. Her shields go up, she discounts you as just another horny guy, and you are never getting anywhere where when a girl feels that way. They are quick to assume it, so I think you have to dodge that assumption from the beginning.
 

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STR8UP said:
Yea, we have already lost a few good posters because of it. I don't usually hit the limit but there has been once or twice where I was ready to call this place quits cause i couldn't continue a discussion. I think we did shake iqqi off like a bad case of fleas though....and that's a good thing.....
Actually I have been off living life and experiencing an adventure unlike what most will ever experience in their lifetime... I can see you can't say the same.

Same ole same ole posts from you, I've noticed. Still not getting laid properly, and fixated on "worth".

Keep my name out yer mouth, k? :moon:
 

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MaddXMan said:
The dude will live a "30's lifestyle" - when he's in his late 40's. Sounds like a good way to go for me. What's he supposed to be doing, listening to Lawrence Welk? (that reference just dated me right there)
Laurence is my alltime favorite. "Baby Elephant Walk " ? I think I had that on 8 Track back in the day. Ha !
 

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iqqi said:
Actually I have been off living life and experiencing an adventure unlike what most will ever experience in their lifetime... I can see you can't say the same.

Same ole same ole posts from you, I've noticed. Still not getting laid properly, and fixated on "worth".

Keep my name out yer mouth, k? :moon:

See the mouth of women these days. No class and are manly.
 

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I don't see the fault in the Thread Starters interaction, what I see is a girl who is not interested in him because of either his looks, profile, social proof.

Myspace is very simple. If you have a cool profile that makes you appear cool and desirable and PRIZEworthy, then your success ratio is going to be higher.

Find a guy who has a profile with lots of hot women leaving him comments. Copy his profile design concept. Look how he lays out his top friends. Look at the details.

Try messaging 100 girls and see if you get the same results with all of them. You have not polled enough people to see if it's you or just this one particular situation. Adapt as necessary. Don't report back until you've tested many methods.
 
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