ketostix said:
You know what, I totally agree with this Joekerr, but it's hard to not go back to MrRukus post and ask yourself just what are women good for then besides sex (where they're getting something too)?
axtually teh answer to this is quite simple. women are good for EVERYTHING except being your protector.
the irony to this, and its something that women simply do not understand (even the women here), is that men (just like women) are searching for a protector.
now, a man doesn't see the woman as his protector, but he may see the relationship as his protector. hence the saying 'behind every great man is a great woman" .... its this notion that when you have a woman at your side you will have a better life (which is another way of saying that she is protection against having a lesser life).
and the point im making is that you can appreciate having a woman in your life in a thousand different ways. you can bang her until her eyes are sore, you can go to dinners, you can share your feelings and thoughts with her - but you CANNOT see her (or the 'relationship') as your protector.
the term protector implies protection from something. in the male case its protection from a less happy life. men start to see their woman as being tied to their own sense of happiness - which is why so many of them blow their brains out when they lose a woman they really cared about.
and this is what im getting at - this is a HUGE HUGE HUGE mistake. you must be your own foundation - you must be your own protector - you must love yourself and not need someone elses love just to feel loved. and if you do need help dealing with the struggles in life, get that help from your priest, friends, family, etc. - but DO NOT turn to your woman to protect / lead you through troubled waters.
that is why she is with YOU - she sees you as the captain who will guide the boat through troubled waters. when you throw up your arms and go 'jeez honey, i'm lost. i have no confidence in steering this boat anymore. can you take the helm?" - when you do this she SH*TS HER PANTS and she resents you for it.
even though you are just a human and you will have down times like everyone else, you have to minimize your womans involvement in those times. if you lean on her too much in those times, i'm telling you, women will run.
its a great fairly tale - this notion of two equal partners, in it together, to the end, for better or for worse, etc. - but the reality is that there are a couple of areas where its not 'equal partners'. on the female side its with regards to her man being a protector, that is just about the only MUST have that a woman has for a man. on the man's side, its sex - a man who gets laid once a month by his wife begins to feel the same way a woman does when her man isn't being the protector.
these are teh only two unreasonable areas pertaining to male female LTRs. everything else is pretty much 50/50 and unfolds in pretty fair ways.
but toss maturity and logic and fairness aside when you are talking about a woman's need for a man to be a protector and a man's need for his woman to want to f*ck him regularly.
but on the plus side, its not as bad as it seems once you realize that most women are HORRIBLE protectors anyway. turning to a woman for help with your problems is generally speaking useless. she has no real concept of the male world and how males work and will often give you horrendous advice (actually its usually simply emotive blathering, not even real advice).
so turn to your priest, a psychologist, family, friends, philosophy, sosuave - ANYTHING but your woman. this doesn't mean you can talk about things with her, but it has to be basic venting, NOT discussions where you expect her to actually guide you to a solution to your problems.