This forum is going down the drain? So what are we gonna do about it?

I know a lot of people feel this forum is not as good as it used to be. And, this is the reason why guys like Pook have left. It may be true or not but how about we all, especially the senior ones, and the ones who actually go out there and make approaches, to come up with sum ideas or a new plan to get this forum back up again to its former glory.

Now, its no point trying to kick ppl off this forum. But my suggestion is lets try getting more ppl off the computer and get them out on the streets. Anyone got any good ideas on how we can do this? This seems to be one of the biggest problem affecting the site. No wonder we see so many keyboard jockeys.

We all know when if we improve ourselves, the chicks automatically come for us. We love life, they love us. How about we gave something back to sosuave.com? After all, this site helped us improve ourselves( well, certain ppl ), I think its time we improved sosuave.com.

I don't see anything wrong with it... Pook probably left for his own reasons. Senor Fingers is back and making great posts, Interceptor posts are always gold, and there's plenty more, don't go acting like there's no one worth while left.

Thats my $1.50

Another thing, I remember ages ago, there was a rule or a DJ school going on. Everyone that joined, had to read the bible and make certain no. of approaches. Boot camp I think it was called. We definetly need to restart it.

I am not saying theres no one worth while left. I think its because of these ppl this website still has hope. But, I won't be surprised in a matter of time, if these few ppl get bored of seeing the same **** everytime and move on as well...

I have been looking at Interceptors replies. Most replies he gives are usually based on the idea that improve urself, u will improve ur life and will automatically improve with chicks. Which is gold, but he keeps having to repeat it. Why? Most of these new ones, want quick solutions, they don't want to go the hard way of improving themselves, making big changes. They just want to know the tricks, the mind set needed to get chicks. They fail to realise that doing these tricks or putting on this mindset for that little while is like putting on a mask. Sooner or later, the chick will see the AFC on the inside. This is where Pook, Senor fingz and Interceptor and the real DJs are different. It was not about acting, saying, or doing things a certain way, but changing the whole person, his lifestyle and his destiny!

"I know a lot of people feel this forum is not as good as it used to be. And, this is the reason why guys like Pook have left."

This wasn't the reason he left.

I read a lot of his last posts here and things on his blog and he basically left this site because posters were trying to debate him over every little thing he would say in one of his inspirational posts he would make.

He told everyone he didn't make them to debate them all of the time but merely as things he wrote to help himself which he put out there to help someone else if they could get something out of it.

So he left because no matter what he said about not wanting his stuff to be debated and argued over posters continued to debate and argue and try and call Pook out over it anyway.

He moved on for that reason as well he didn't like some of the other posters cult hero worshipping him and PMing him all the time.

"It may be true or not but how about we all, especially the senior ones, and the ones who actually go out there and make approaches, to come up with sum ideas or a new plan to get this forum back up again to its former glory."

The Mature Man forum is great, the discussion forum is decent, the high school board needs better posters but all in all the site is currently as awesome as its ever gonna get.

It was seemingly so much better years ago because you had guys like Shezzler and others ripping off Pook's style of the epic post and using flowery language and Shakespeare quotes. Telling an engaging story basically.

You want to re-live the past and take this forum back start writing epic topics but personally I like how it has evolved out of the flowery Pook style into the mission oriented Victory Unlimited and Interceptor style of surgical attack the problem (problem, reaction, solution in other words) and then solve it posts all the while motivating members to be the best men they can be.

A thing about the old school members I didn't like is they would focus a lot of time blaming the AFC for his position in life when it wasn't the AFC's fault he was ignorant but his simply never having proper guidance in life to embrace the DJ style of living. The oldschool members would've been well served however to blame the AFC for his status in life if it was negative only if after reading the knowledge found on this site the AFC still did not act to change his life.

The oldschool members also completely held women as blameless for the AFC's predicament which was disempowering to the AFC that was here to learn the DJ way. Rather I would of had them first blame society for the needing to improve oneself and then lay the responsibility on the AFC to take in the knowledge found here and change his life to best exist in this society he has found himself in.

The oldschool members were probably going for the tough love approach with this thinking it is manly and it very well may be manly in the 1950's sense of things but when you are trying to deprogram a guy with a feminized gentle mentality about him from the matrix I just think its most productive to use a gentle approach that gradually builds him up day after day week after week rather than going for the sink or swim method.

The forum as it stands now has a better overall approach to helping people than I think the previous generation did.

Still those oldschoolers deserve all the credit in the world for building the message of this site and allowing us to evolve it.

However as the world changes so do the posters and the advice with it.

And not to be weaker advice either but more understandable and practical to be more easily applied.

KontrollerX said:

The Mature Man forum is great

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Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.



The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".

It's very easy to stack good advice on top of good advice until your problem makes very clear sense. But it seems that very few people here are willing to take ACTION to rectify that problem, even after simplifying it down to the minutiae.

So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room.


You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.


That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.

squirrels said:

That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.

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Squirrels, I don;t know who pissed your cheerios but your negativity is aggravating. You don't like it, leave. You haven't said one positive thing since-

















- never.

Why not follow Pook's lead and let the door slap you on the ass? I know this place is exponentially better. Better Moderation, better Motivation, better Members, better thinking, better attitude.

There will always be those few rotten apples. Let 'em rot.

KontrollerX said:

The Mature Man forum is great, the discussion forum is decent, the high school board needs better posters but all in all the site is currently as awesome as its ever gonna get.

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Agreed Brother KontrollerX.

And I'll let you guys in on a little tidbit:

I've never read a Pook post in my life. Not one.

Don't plan to either.

Squirrels, if life is "out there" you sure put a lot of time into spending it "in here" with that post.

I for one will say this site has helped me, not the site but the guys who are members OF the site, a couple of which are in this thread. Boards are made up of individuals. Now after being here for a long time, what happens is you start to notice posters who say something that resonates with you, and you may make it a point to read their posts or talk to them. And you filter out the stuff that is negative, unless you're in a fun mood, then why not. Bicker a little. It's ok.

So in effect the board is what you want it to be.

A thing about the old school members I didn't like is they would focus a lot of time blaming the AFC for his position in life when it wasn't the AFC's fault he was ignorant but his simply never having proper guidance in life to embrace the DJ style of living. The oldschool members would've been well served however to blame the AFC for his status in life if it was negative only if after reading the knowledge found on this site the AFC still did not act to change his life.

The oldschool members also completely held women as blameless for the AFC's predicament which was disempowering to the AFC that was here to learn the DJ way. Rather I would of had them first blame society for the needing to improve oneself and then lay the responsibility on the AFC to take in the knowledge found here and change his life to best exist in this society he has found himself in.

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Excellent, Chap!!

I remember coming here way back starting in 2000, when I actually saw Pook, Señor Fingerz, DIESEL and other greats posting still. My approach that took me away from AFC and into DJism was...that I would read outside of the forums 1st, perusing the tips(the 1 about creating an aura did me in ), reading through the Doc Love responses entirely and ONLY coming into the forums for the old school DJ Bible, Bulking and Cutting Guides and sparingly stuff posted by Fingz, Pook (the guys with the epic stories).

Back then as a wee middle-schooler, I would take this advice and apply it on the golf course (yes, I golfed back then), walking the fairways tall and confidently, cracking jokes w/my playing partners. Being that every weekend brought me face to face w/new playing partners, I made sure to speak clearly, concise and to "empower my voice" (an article in itself ) with each of these strangers. In school, I had killed off the stigmas pertaining to the AFC lifestyle such as desperation, neediness and I grew a pair so to speak.

I waited 4 years to actually join the forums, because I thought, If I'm still an AFC and trying to transform myself, just wait it out so I don't throwout immature and inane posts that would stymie my quest for the DJ mentality. Let me tell you, there was A LOT of trial and error I went through and it was only ME that had to know back then.

Deadly ASSassin ( lol sorry, couldnt help myself)

i think your thread has very good intentions, but i feel that bringing this issue up is only going to bring replies like "squirrels" and contribute nothing but negativity.

and with that, there is no postive outcome from whining about others you believe to whine.

IMO this forum is golden. can things be changed ? of course. its inevitable that posters lives change over there tenure here. but i think we all get what we come here for. Everyone here isnt all looking for the same thing.

some come here simply to vent and complain. and though dwelling on things for an extended period of time is not healthy, i think this forum being used as an outlet and discussion is a good thing.

so squirrels, those you claim to still be AFC (which is okay) and those "oldmembers" you say claim to be philosiphers, and the "2" women who post in the MM forum that we "seek" validation from as you say...

ITS OKAY. we all come here for different reasons and seek different things. trying to understand each one of them for every person is insanity.

my advice??

contribute your opinion, learn from your mistakes, and APPRECIATE THIS SOURCE that we have.

squirrels said:

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Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.

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Squirrels, you sound like a whining baby.

Some guys here need a good BACKHAND. This post doesn't dignify a response.

I'm not one of the older gods here on the forum, but one thing I really dislike is the constant posts about how to get a single girl that someone fancies. They claim, they're not that interested and its not oneitis, but I think that it is and there are too many posts of this nature that can be solved using the search option.

I think a lot of the guys here on the forums would be a lot happier if they could understand that there are so many women in the world and even in small towns that they should get hung up on a single girl, no matter how bad they want to bed her.

Furthermore, I think there needs to be fresh new posts from the actual DJs about topics such as developing plates, reducing/eliminating flaky behavior, and some more stuff on controlling relationships.

PS. I hate ****ty field reports.

Here's what I think, and am actually starting to feel...

...life for the majority of the members here at SS is getting so fvcked up that they are getting more and more depserate for relief.


As they get more and more desperate, they start to turn to anybody who may give them a ray of hope, and if they cant get that 'magic pill' to fix all their problems for them in an instant , they feel more despair and angry and resentful and the person that was trying to help them...for not fixing their own problem..

....this starts to create a higher pressure and perceived OBLIGATION and RESPONSIBILITY on the guys who DO post here about building a better life, self improvement, and gaining a Wiser perspective.



While I think the focus on 'getting chicks' is a decent, normal, and healthy.the majority of thiose who seek advice for this are so WAY OFF BASE that they dont even realize the problems they will be creating for themselves. So they go out and try to handle these social pressure and environments and begin to bang their heads against the wall , becasuse they have not handled their inner game issues beforehand.

I tend to focus on self improvement, and inner game issues.

Thats it, really. Because without your inner game issues handled all your 'success; is temporary , fleeting, and never as satisfying as if you were in a good state of mind and well being, able to appraciate it all from a good perspective


And yeah it is easy to assume that because one is on a forum, that one isnt 'out there' experiencing life. Or HASNT ever had an experience similar to yours...so no way can this guy relate and offer advice, right?

I am here to help. But if someone is going to act like a distrustful ******* about my help, so be it.
Go on your own way and leave me out of it..........



EDIT: For any one who is going to use the forum to try to cut down others, all youre doing is forcing the good people out and stop participating altogether

Deadly_Assassin said:

And, this is the reason why guys like Pook have left.

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squirrels said:

It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women.

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You guys need to stop living in the past. Sure this place was great 5 years ago, you know what sex was great and alot more open in the 60's. However I'm not going to waste my energy reliving the 60's.

You live in the today & now. Accept it. If you want this place to be more like it was 5 years ago, then be the man that your hero Pook was, don't be the man propping up his memory. If you think that this place needs more guys being passionate about banging hot women, then be passionate about banging hot women & be a leader. The flock will naturally follow a leader.

I'm thankful for many fellow posters here who contune to inspire me and motivate me to continue contributing.

Thank you , ladies and gentlemen

nice post, I agree with a good deal of it

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The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?
Amen. Happens in every post made by a female regardless of the forum, but I would assume that MM would be over it by now. How does responding to a troll help you? How does talking to the female in the chat thread about what outfit she is going to buy help you? How does going to LS and b!tching about their system help you?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?
Well flakes are a part of the game imo. At least it shows the people are out there trying. Addressing flaking is a pretty big issue or else you will be running into that same wall over and over.

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?
There is some hero worshipping over @ MM and it is sad. I do think that Rollo deserves respect and attention paid to his insight at the least. His mindset and ideas relate well to real life and have helped me in the past, while they might not always work for you, they are well thought out and field tested.

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.
Seconded. Too much b!tching about feminists commercials and dumb sh!t like that. Waaay too much of it in MM.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.
Don't know who that is specifically in MM but I've seen it all over the tip section and the rest of the forum.


The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.
Yea I've thought about that. The first people knew what they were doing and had fun doing it. Later generations had to be taught how to do it and are not used to the hardships and rejection as much and it shows in their posts

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".
Blaming it on hip hop huh? How original. Quite a stretch going off on a random tangent, that's for sure.

It's very easy to stack good advice on top of good advice until your problem makes very clear sense. But it seems that very few people here are willing to take ACTION to rectify that problem, even after simplifying it down to the minutiae.

So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room.


You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.
Another thing I see with the MM crowd is the lack of wanting to take responsibility for anything. It is always the woman's fault, she is always an attention *****, she never should be trusted, she is always going to cheat, blah blah ad nauseum. You can't control everything but step up and control your woman, don't just sit back like some force unaffected by the circumstances that surround you

That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.
Perhaps it is because people don't tell stories and discuss women like they used to. It is not about celebrating success with women as much as pondering the problems. MM seemed to be the light at the tunnel but recently is seems like there is 1 success story for every 15 negative ones. Perhaps it is because no one posts when they are doing well, only when problems arise...

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Excellent post Microphone, I agree 100%.

Microphone Fiend said:

nice post, I agree with a good deal of it...

Perhaps it is because people don't tell stories and discuss women like they used to. It is not about celebrating success with women as much as pondering the problems. MM seemed to be the light at the tunnel but recently is seems like there is 1 success story for every 15 negative ones. Perhaps it is because no one posts when they are doing well, only when problems arise...

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I agreed with your entire post but this is the thing that sticks with me. There are a surprising amount of guys who are getting better but when they post there tends to be guys posting (trying to be helpful mind you) from a place of frustration and fear which may be true in their situation but detracts from the success of the original poster. Then more frustrated guys write "me too" posts in order to create the "camaraderie of commiseration." Then in an Orwellian mindset we expound upon fighting the power of Big Brother and then go off tilting at windmills like Don Quixote (a far cry from Don Juan).

Alright, back on track...

There's guys having success out there but for some reason or other they aren't sharing their success. Yeah, there are guys out there posting threads about "This is the only way to [fill in the blank]" as a means of self-promotion but it's not the same. The message is there but the presentation and the content is a little lacking.

I am in no way saying that the forum isn't worthwhile, I'm still finding golden nuggets in the archives even today, back when things seemed a bit simpler. Maybe the site has grown from the days of being a wide-eyed adolescent wanting to learn about the wonders of the world into a unruly teen trying to validate his independence. Who knows.

Pook..


Pook pook pookie.


Karma, my brother, when you say you haven't read a lick of what Pook has written, I can tell you...



You honestly haven't missed anything.

.....none of it is better than what Rollo, Joekerr, VU, Fingz and many others have posted. I met many situations in life that these posters and others above have been through. I've taken most of their incredible advice and it has worked for me more than Pook ever had. In it's core, what every mature guy I've mentioned here really talks about is...true self awareness and true self improvement. Pook knew how to tell a great story, but his advice and experience wasn't far off from guys like LATINOMAN, STR8UP and even Backbreaker.

This is why I like the mature man's forum so much. It's not about "bagging chicks". Bagging chicks should always be secondary to being better than who you were last week or the year before. Afterall, if you don't like yourself you'll end up like "Mystery". Sure you can bang chicks. So can any meat head frat guy.

Nothings changed here. People like the men above will continue to write great threads and maybe one day when or if they ever leave this place my experience alone will be able to be passed on to new members here who desperately looked for answers everywhere but here.

Now to you guys who talk about how it "used to be" take your "used to be"s and start another forum. Your b!tching is no good to anyone here.