Have you guys heard of True Forced Lonliness? What a crock of BS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xg8nek158w&feature=player_embedded

Look at these guys. Losers and whining about it while refusing to do anything to make their life better. I bet that guy who shot up that gym in Cali was one of these guys.

They have their own websites!

http://trueforcedloneliness.com/

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bill122460

http://www.youtube.com/user/DwayneHollowayTV

Seriously, WTF?

I guess its like the emo culture, but for adults.

Turn on the showers and fire the ovens!

America needs to have a Holocaust for AFCs, who's with me?!

I like the part at 1:44 in where the huge fat mammoth man says he went to the park - and they show a busted park bench.

Unbridled_Phoenix said:

Turn on the showers and fire the ovens!

America needs to have a Holocaust for AFCs, who's with me?!

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dunno, the more AFCs the less competition for the DJs.

I don't think anyone should be so quick to judge. I can relate to these people somewhat. I don't know if they try to find solutions to their problems but I agree from first hand experience that doing nothing can only make it worse. I say they are right on about the dating scene however. I personally don't find it fun at all. I think I said it many times but dating just seems so robotic and mechanical to me. It sucks having to comform to such extremes just for sex.

Warrior74 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xg8nek158w&feature=player_embedded

Look at these guys. Losers and whining about it while refusing to do anything to make their life better. I bet that guy who shot up that gym in Cali was one of these guys.

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So passing judgment is bettering your life...how?

C-quenced said:

I think I said it many times but dating just seems so robotic and mechanical to me.

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It's not "judging" when you're "identifying" something. If I pointed to an apple and said, "Hey, that fruit is red, round, has a skin and a stem and so that's an apple", I'm identifying it, not judging it, right? If I point to a fat slob who dresses like a slob, who's every other word out of his mouth to the world is "f@ckin'" this "f@ck" that, who demonstrates that he has anger issues and faults women for his not being welcomed by them, making it sound like he's "forced" to live without the attention or companionship of those he's berating publicly when he could pull himself up by his bootstraps and do something positive about it instead, but refuses to do so, spiraling downward instead in his hate and venom, and say "hey, he's a loser", I'm merely identifying him as a loser, not judging him.

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So passing judgment is bettering your life...how?

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and questioning my judgment is bettering your life how? And posting on this forum is bettering your life how? Fvck that shiit your on.

You and I both know the score. Don't wish the game was easier, get better or STFU (shut the fvck up), but whining about it is not gonna change a damn thing. Who is a loser, the guy who refuses to play football because it's too hard and whines about it, or the guy who gives it his all and still loses the game and plays again next week? If your playing the game at least you are in it and have a chance to win. If your biitching and moaning and having an internet circle jerk moaning party instead of improving yourself and going out to meet women, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Look at that fat bastard. Seriously. I have friends like him who think they deserve a perfect 10 with no work, like women should just bow down and submit to them as a man. They aren't even in control of themselves. They don't even like themselves and they want some woman to submit to them? Serious? And when you try to tell them how to fix up, they throw up that "I shouldn't have to change for no biitch' bullshiit. Change to be the person you really want to be. If your not happy with yourself, how the hell are you gonna be happy with someone else? People can smell that negative creepy vibe and steer clear of people like that.


It's bettering my life by making me see how bad it can be and continue to work to be better.

You think it's no fatties or uglies these guys could pull? I bet they don't even want the women who want them. And they refuse to get help, they are just throwing their hands up and giving up. At least I know I'm still trying to achieve the things I want out of life and women, that's how it betters my life. You can either play the game or kill yourself as far as I'm concerned, but don't fvcking whine about it and expect people to see your pain as a fvcking virtue.

Guys like us need to be giving these guys links to sites like this so they can do the hard work of becoming a real man and then getting women. But those type of guys won't listen.

Well, a lot of you guys need to understand too that a lot of these guys HAVE tried to improve themselves, have gone full force at it, but have still come up empty-handed. This guy even states it in the video how he's tried everything. A lot of guys around here need to look at things from the other side more often and put yourselves in these people's shoes. These guys don't know what else to do. They've tried everything. When you're in that situation where you've tried everything in your power to improve your situation with chicks, you don't know what else to do. What more is a guy to do when he's tried everything in his power? If he's tried everything and can't think of anything else do do, what's the guy supposed to do? Guys around here need to think about that more often. You guys need to be more sympathetic towards these people and be a little more understanding. One thing I've learned as a person, as a human being, is to always look at things from the other side, from the other persons point of view/perspective. There's always another side to a story.

Now I personally don't know the guy, but I'm gonna take his word for it that he's tried hard. Maybe he hasn't tried hard in the looks department, but once again, I know lots of guys who look like Mr. GQ(preppy, dress well), who still struggle with the opposite sex. I always talk about how being good looking doesn't mean sh*t to most women, how lots of attractive women hook up with below average-looking guys. Most of my friends are what you'd call "yuppie", dress well, have their sh*t together as far as being financially stable and whatnot, yet still have trouble getting laid by the women they crave. I can name a good amount of people guys, and that's no lie.

All this guy needs to do is hire some good-looking escorts, or frequent strip clubs with hot dancers and get off on lap dances, and his problem will be solved. I haven't reeled anything in for a while now, but let me tell ya, those high caliber prostitutes and strippers make all the difference in the world. They are a definite cure for the common cold. I'm quite content I must say. I don't need the "girlfriend", all I need is the sexual gratification and I'm fine..good to go.

I've been following the movement since it started as I use youtube a lot.

Its one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen online.

I can't hate on them as much as others do simply because during my time following and laughing at the movement I learned that Dwayne the big guy actually tried out David D'angelo's stuff and it didn't work for him.

So he gets props from me for trying at least though yeah everyone pointed out why it didn't work for him that being his massive weight but he didn't pay that any mind and still tunes that out whenever anyone tells him thats his problem.

Bill also tried and even did that go to another country and pay for a thai hooker thing and had some fun but had to come back to the US to his epic dry spell until he apparently met someone finally but oddly I don't believe we've ever seen her on camera so it may just be b.s.

Bill actually posted here once in a rambling barely coherent manner reminiscent of your average NLG poster basically tearing our site a new one for teaching people to play games until his thread was locked and he was banned.

As funny as it is trolling these guys they do make a few good points if this were a moral world such as...

-People's feelings and emotions are not to be toyed with and shouldn't be part of some game

-Women are far too picky and entitled these days

-Bill profoundly said about the Sodini tragedy that murder is a part of the game and told people to quit crying over what Sodini did. The point he was making is that if you mess with people's emotions use them up and leave them when they need you and all you were doing with them to begin with was gaming them then don't be surprised if you end up with a bullet between your eyes its all part of "the game".

So Bill and Dwayne's view is basically to hate "The Game" but not the players.

-They blame feminism for the game existing to begin with.

So they say a lot of truth and they put forward a view that even the morality crew here would agree with and its this...

Basically they say you shouldn't have to manipulate someone to be with you, you shouldn't have to change yourself for someone to be with you, they should love you as you are and nobody should have to struggle and scrape just to get a date.

They make a lot of sense but what they say is unfortunately idealism which is to say not how the world works.

Self improvement, building big muscles, reading and learning the right things to say, siezing the perfect moment, dressing well, being cool all of these things we at Sosuave consider to be positive self improvement but it also is a form of changing ourselves to better attract women.

Creating a lure which in and of itself is manipulation and manipulation is what this society requires to succeed in it.

Bill and Dwayne cannot accept that so they suffer or as Rollo might say they have made their necessity their virtue.

ROFL LOOK AT THE FAT FVCK. No wonder he couldn't get a date, he looks like a balloon.

worship said:

ROFL LOOK AT THE FAT FVCK. No wonder he couldn't get a date, he looks like a balloon.

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I'm the most sweetest and handsomest Balloon you are ever going to see ever online there buddy.

Look guys we're famous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFPGt-fZjNw

DwayneHollowayTV said:

I'm the most sweetest and handsomest Balloon you are ever going to see ever online there buddy.

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GET OFF MY INTERNETZ

KontrollerX said:

I can't hate on them as much as others do simply because during my time following and laughing at the movement I learned that Dwayne the big guy actually tried out David D'angelo's stuff and it didn't work for him.

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Was it because he tried to be ****y while having no reason to be so and completely forgot about the funny part?

That's what i always see as the complaint about ****y and funny. Everyone forgets the funny part. Then they go around and tell everyone that D'Angelo is a scam artist just because their own personality is lame.

Warrior74 said:

Guys like us need to be giving these guys links to sites like this so they can do the hard work of becoming a real man and then getting women. But those type of guys won't listen.

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We do? No, we don't. Are you some sort of crusader?

I bet you don't like to be told what to think or believe either. And then people "who know what's right" go off and think "man, that guy just won't listen."

edger said:

Well, a lot of you guys need to understand too that a lot of these guys HAVE tried to improve themselves, have gone full force at it, but have still come up empty-handed. This guy even states it in the video how he's tried everything. A lot of guys around here need to look at things from the other side more often and put yourselves in these people's shoes. These guys don't know what else to do. They've tried everything. When you're in that situation where you've tried everything in your power to improve your situation with chicks, you don't know what else to do. What more is a guy to do when he's tried everything in his power? If he's tried everything and can't think of anything else do do, what's the guy supposed to do? Guys around here need to think about that more often. You guys need to be more sympathetic towards these people and be a little more understanding. One thing I've learned as a person, as a human being, is to always look at things from the other side, from the other persons point of view/perspective. There's always another side to a story.

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I just don't buy this. These people claimed to have tried, but clearly they did not. The dude isn't even in good shape; he doesn't have enough self discipline to help himself; this always reflects negatively when dealing with women.

You mention a good point about being on the other side to truly empathize with these folk. The truth is I was exactly on the other side and completely understand where they are. The difference is I never ****ing gave up once. Once upon a time, I had 0 game and decided to change that. I hit the weight room and tried things I had never done before with women. I failed time and time again, and never quit once. I never felt bad for my failures, but looked at ways to make success. Eventually it came. Girls call me hot, and people don't even believe for an instant at one point I "had no game".

People who quit deserve no empathy. you can ALWAYS reach your goals despite any genetic ineptitude one processes. Winners win and quitters quit. Obviously, this thread is dedicated to the later group whom would rather wallow in their self pity as opposed to moving forward.

edger said:

Well, a lot of you guys need to understand too that a lot of these guys HAVE tried to improve themselves, have gone full force at it, but have still come up empty-handed. This guy even states it in the video how he's tried everything. A lot of guys around here need to look at things from the other side more often and put yourselves in these people's shoes.

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I understand the need to empathize with people and getting into his shoes, but this guy is pathetic.

I've BEEN there. As I've posted here before, as recently as a couple of years ago I found myself divorced, weighing nearly 300 lbs, unemployed, severe joint problems, and cancer ridden.

I can't say for certain, but I'd wager that I had it worse than fat boy here, but did I sit at home making youtube videos tearing up because girls didn't like me? Hell no. I didn't like the thing I had become so I decided to be a man. Now I'm boxing, doing competitive weightlifting, making nearly 6 figures at a job, spinning plates like there is no tomorrow, and just generally enjoying life.

This guy needs to get off his a$$, stop blaming the world for his problems, and make himself a better man.

He keeps saying to BE YOURSELF. Well, he SHOULD be himself... he should just be the best himself he can be.

He's obviously lurking on this thread since he posted that video showing the world how mean we all are, so I'm gonna say this to him:

Who you truly are isn't overindulging in food, living a sedentary lifestyle and making youtube videos. Get out there in the world and climb a few mountains and be the conquering hero that every man wants to be. When you do this, the women will gladly hop aboard for the ride and you will fall into the companionship you obviously crave.