Do you want to quit smoking?

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I'm pitching this book because it's the only thing that's worked for me.

For all you smokers out there who want to quit and have tried various methods. So had I, and have found one that works better than the will power method or the patch, the gum, etc.

Simply, it is a book, by Allen Carr entitled, "The Only Way to Quit Smoking Permanently" published by Penguin. I was surprised at the length of such a book. Almost 500 pages. I think he had a shorter book published earlier called, "The Easy Way to Quit Smoking."

I could draw the illusion to this site. Allen Carr claims that we are brainwashed since birth into believing all manners of things about smoking, just like we are with the AFC mentality. It's all mind over matter. He changes your perceptions of smoking and dispells the illusions concerning smoking.

Basically, the book is to smoking what a giant Pook post is to sosuave.com. It is very persuasively written. It gets right to the MINDSET! Whereas I would compare the will power method and the patch to something like SS or other superficial, slippery tricks.

One of Carr's backbone points on smoking, contrary to a big smoking illusion, is that nicotine addiction is NOT physical! Well, he claims 5% is physical, the remaining 95%, completely mental. A mind virus. We've just been conditioned to turn that 5% into Everest in our minds.

His method has been 95% successful with his clients over the past ten years. And it really is easy! I'd been a smoker for 6-7 years, was smoking a pack a day for months until: I read the book, smoked my final cigarette, and haven't had a craving since, and it's been three days. Before that I hadn't gone a day without a cigarette in years.

And already, I'm enjoying changes in my body. My girlfriend was surprised at the energy I've gained over a few days free from the poison!

"I could quit if I was allowed to smoke while I was doing it," ironically, one of his clients said. The even more ironic thing is, as it hit me later, that's exactly what I did!

Sounds skeptical, doesn't it? I was skeptical too, but there was something in his tone that made me decide to read the whole book with an open mind before I made my judgement. If you are looking to quit, I recommend you read this book and see the results for yourself.

In Canada, the book costed me the price of two packs of cigarettes.

Remember when you were an AFC and found this site? You began reading the Bible, and your mind slowly began to change gears as your perception of women metamorphed itself into a CLEAR picture. This same kind of transformation can take place with your views on smoking. And any addiction.

In fact, I recommend this book to anyone who has ever smoked, and anyone who hasn't, but as been curious or tempted to smoke. He claims the secret and causual smokers are worse off than the regular and heavy smokers.

Anyway, enough. This book helped me. It's out there for smokers who want to become non-smokers again. And it WORKS!

!GEORGE GORDON!
 

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Thanks for the pointer. I want to give up smoking and have been looking for some different strategies. Coincidentally, someone recommended this book to me over the weekend. So after reading such great reviews I've decided to order it and give it a go.

I'm on 20 per day at the moment (more when I go out). I'll let you know how I get on with it.

Oh and in England I managed to buy the book for less than a pack of 20 cigs.
 

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Oh and in England I managed to buy the book for less than a pack of 20 cigs.
lmao! now *thats* irony.

I stopped smoking with will power alone. I kept myself busy, and went through an insane amount of extra strong mints... I went from marlboro reds to menthols [GAY, but nevermind], from menthols to mints... and I found that actually helped me.

I still get tempted, and still have the occasional cig when I'm out and about and people are offering them around, but apart from that, I've not smoked in a year and a half.

The book sounds ace, thanks for reviewing it George

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just grab your balls and quit..why you need a book to tell you how to do that?
 

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The problem is not in the smoking as much as it is in your mentality. Carr claims smoking occassionally is just as bad or worse than being a regular smoker. Why? You are STILL in the trap. Would you want to keep your AFC mentality even if you had a girlfriend?

Essentially, I think that's what you're implying. What you're doing (using will power) is like "giving a man a fish." Carr "teaches a man to fish."

Originally posted by Levex
just grab your balls and quit..why you need a book to tell you how to do that?
Do you smoke? If not, why do you need a website to teach you how to be a man or pick-up chicks. Beyond me.

Grab your balls and ask a girl out. This doesn't work. You may get the date, but you won't get much farther if you only have the AFC brainwashing. It is the same with Allen Carr's method.

With the will power method, you have to go through the rest of your life with cravings. Continually under nicotine's assault. You constantly fight the cravings. Why not just remove the cravings and be done with it? Why use all that will power fighting cravings when you could use that mental time and effort elsewhere?

Cheers!

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Originally posted by Levex
just grab your balls and quit..why you need a book to tell you how to do that?
I smoked for 2 1/2 years - up to about a pack a day. After "quitting" about 83948 times, I decided that instead of just "quitting", I'd start a workout regimen and follow it religiously. That was 1 1/2 years ago, and I haven't had a puff of a cigarette since I started.

Anybody can quit - it's a matter of willpower.
 

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Originally posted by [T]he ishop

Anybody can quit - it's a matter of willpower.


IMO, it's a matter of
  1. education: what is smoking doing with me? en what will happen if I quit.
  2. motivation: knowing WHY you quit!
  3. willpower
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The problem is not in the smoking as much as it is in your mentality. Carr claims smoking occassionally is just as bad or worse than being a regular smoker. Why? You are STILL in the trap. Would you want to keep your AFC mentality even if you had a girlfriend?
Mentality, exactly. I mentioned that, when I said about how smoking menthols then just eating mints, helped me.. I thought it would work, and only after I stopped smoking I realised.. I didnt even need to go menthols then mints... it was all in my mind. see where I'm coming from? :)

I dont mind having the occasional cig now and then. I choose to have the occasional cig a few times a month, just cause when I'm out I enjoy having a few beers, laughing my ass off, and smoking the occasional cig/whatevers going around.

good plug for the book though man :)
 

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Originally posted by George Gordon
DJBen


Do you smoke? If not, why do you need a website to teach you how to be a man or pick-up chicks. Beyond me.

Grab your balls and ask a girl out. This doesn't work. You may get the date, but you won't get much farther if you only have the AFC brainwashing. It is the same with Allen Carr's method.

With the will power method, you have to go through the rest of your life with cravings. Continually under nicotine's assault. You constantly fight the cravings. Why not just remove the cravings and be done with it? Why use all that will power fighting cravings when you could use that mental time and effort elsewhere?
!GEORGE GORDON!

no, i dont smoke anymore.i smoked since i was 13 and then i realized that it will kill me eventually and i quit.

smoking is a bad habit,nicotine alone doesnt do ****. its the sensation of seeing the smoke being blown out and our association of it with relaxation(which btw is bullsh!t since nicotine is a stimulant) that makes us "addicted". what you crave for is the feeling of it in your hand and doing the usual smoking motions.

try smoking a cig with your eyes closed for the whole time...it wont give you any good feelings except for a nasty taste in your mouth.

so my point is "addiction" is all in your head.and unless person himself realizes how bad smoking is he wont be able to quit.
 

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Originally posted by Levex
no, i dont smoke anymore.i smoked since i was 13 and then i realized that it will kill me eventually and i quit.

smoking is a bad habit,nicotine alone doesnt do ****.
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so my point is "addiction" is all in your head.and unless person himself realizes how bad smoking is he wont be able to quit.
BS! Nicotine is an addictive substance.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/nicotine/nicotine2.html#addictive
http://whyquit.com/joel/Joel_01_01_junkie.html
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/Nicotine_Addiction_Industry.html

and also look at the health warning on Canadian packs of sigarettes. They even claim that it's easier to quit heroin or cocaine ...
(http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/tobacco/legislation/warnings/e_a.html)
 

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no its not "BS". its much easier to pretend that its nicotine that makes us smoke and not our own stupidity. thats why so many people have trouble quitting in the first place.

its just like those "12 step"drug quit programs, first 11 steps are bull**** and the only one that matters is "dont do it anymore".
 

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I had to take a required drug class. Nicotine is 100% addictive. Cocaine is 99%. Heroin is 60%. Keep in mind that these are PHYSICAL ADDICTIONS (excluding withdrawal severity).
 

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Originally posted by Levex
no its not "BS". its much easier to pretend that its nicotine that makes us smoke and not our own stupidity. thats why so many people have trouble quitting in the first place.

its just like those "12 step"drug quit programs, first 11 steps are bull**** and the only one that matters is "dont do it anymore".
It's of course stupidity that makes us START smoking. It is , however nicotine that KEEPS us smoking.

and, of course, "don't do it anymore" is the only way to quit. I'm not debating that. I'm just saying that nicotine has been proven to be an addictive substance. Have you even read the links I posted?

You're saying: nicotine doesn't do **** , I for one KNOW that nicotine works on the brain centres that create dopamine. So it give a 'aaaaaah' feeling everytime you get a hit of it.

BTW, I quit too. after 16 yrs of smoking heavily. And I had all symptoms of withdrawal: sweating, insomnia, nightmares, dizzyness, ...

When I was a poor student, i often had too make a choice halfway through a week: buy tobacco or food. And, what do you think I chose?

I have seen a guy who just had a part of his lung removed (because of a tumor) get out of bed and light one up in the hospital! Don't tell me this isn't junky-behaviour.

Don't tell me that smoking is "just a habit". If it was it wouldn't kill so many people.
 

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does nicotine MAKE you light up a cigarette?

obviously answer is no. it makes you WANT to light up, but the choice to actually do it is all yours.

so you think that its all nicotine and not the habit itself. then tell me why dont you get that pleasure of smoking a cig from chewing a nicotine gum or slapping on a patch?
 

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Originally posted by Levex
does nicotine MAKE you light up a cigarette?

obviously answer is no. it makes you WANT to light up, but the choice to actually do it is all yours.

so you think that its all nicotine and not the habit itself. then tell me why dont you get that pleasure of smoking a cig from chewing a nicotine gum or slapping on a patch?
simple: it's classic conditioning.

It works like this:
1. the nicotine levels in your blood go down. Mild withdrawal sets in.
2. You go and smoke a cig
3. the nicotine ends the withdrawal symptoms and makes the brain release more dopamine.

repeat this 1000s of times and you get the same thing as with Pavlov's dog. In your mind you make a connection between the surge of dopamine and the smoking of a cig.

EDIT: problem of the gum: it takes 10- 20 minutes to reach your brain (10 seconds for cigs). Too much time to substitute the smoking conditioning with a gum conditioning.

Problem of the patch: there is no real action to get contitioned + it doesn't give a rush of nicotine, wich you need for the "aaaaaaaah"-feeling
 

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I read the book and have managed 3 days so far without smoking, which is a personal best for me as I haven't even tried giving up before now.

I have to say the book was a little disappointing. I expected something that would totally turn me off smoking, but it didn't and I'm basically going on willpower now, which Carr said wasn't necessary.

What the book did do for me, however, was give me good incentives to quit and explain what's going on in my body and mind when I'm tempted to reach for the cigs.

But I think above all, you need to be motivated to quit.
 

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Originally posted by Dirtheart
I have to say the book was a little disappointing. I expected something that would totally turn me off smoking, but it didn't and I'm basically going on willpower now, which Carr said wasn't necessary.
Hmmm. That's interesting. The book totally turned me off smoking. It'll be two weeks tomorrow since I became a non-smoker. And I've been to parties with people smoking around me constantly, and I wasn't even aware when they were smoking--it didn't affect me. I've had no cravings. My roommate's in the same boat, and he's been a non-smoker now for just over a week.

Is it possible that you didn't fully understand what he was saying? It sounds to me like you didn't get it, especially if you're going on will power--which is a sign that you didn't get it. He says that if it's not working, you missed one of his instructions.

Did you read the whole book from cover to cover, word by word; or did you skim it? If you skimmed it, that would make sense.

But I think above all, you need to be motivated to quit.
Desire is the seed of all action. If you don't really want to quit, why would you?

What'd you think of the writing style of the book?

!GEORGE GORDON!
 

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Well, I'll reach my one week mark tomorrow!

I'm not sure how I really interpreted the book. Maybe it didn't really sink in and I need to read it again. I could see I was supposed to be turned off smoking, but even though everything in the book was logical and reasonable, I'm still suffering cravings and would gleefully smoke right now if I wasn't so determined to quit. I'm even shaking at times and having trouble sleeping.

The book itself was really well written, although I found that a lot of it is taken up with the author trying to qualify himself and hyping up his method rather than teaching it.

But as a motivational guide it definitely worked for me. The most effective thing in the book for me was the suggestion that cigarettes are controlling me! I hate that idea, but it's so true.

I'd definitely recommend the book over patches, gum and all the other gimmicks.

I'll probably give the book another read soon.
 

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Originally posted by Dirtheart
I'm not sure how I really interpreted the book. Maybe it didn't really sink in and I need to read it again. I could see I was supposed to be turned off smoking, but even though everything in the book was logical and reasonable, I'm still suffering cravings and would gleefully smoke right now if I wasn't so determined to quit. I'm even shaking at times and having trouble sleeping.
Dirtheart, If you remember, Allen Carr's two rules for becoming a non-smoker again are:

1) Never have a craving
2) Never smoke a cigarette

Sounds kind of obvious, right? Duh! But if you don't follow these two rules, you will never be a HAPPY non-smoker. I've talked to smokers who have quit years ago, and still complain that they crave cigarettes. They are still in the prison even though they don't smoke anymore!

Also, how many smokers do you know who tried quitting, yet didn't acknowlegde and adhere to these two rules? The only way to be truly free is to follow BOTH.

The mind is our true reality. Our lives are our thoughts. And if we are craving in the mind, we are still in the nicotine trap! Even though we're not physically smoking.

The will power method is just a denial. What's the difference between a smoker and an ex-smoker, who used will power to stop? Nothing! They both have cravings.

The book itself was really well written, although I found that a lot of it is taken up with the author trying to qualify himself and hyping up his method rather than teaching it.
I thought that was strange at first too. But later I realized that that was part of the process of changing your perceptions. He needed you to believe in his method. You need DESIRE and FAITH to accomplish anything. So the reason for all the hype was to give you that. My opinion, anyway.

I made a decision right away, and that was that I was going to read the book with an open mind, with no opinions or skepticisms until I was completely finished it. I think that was crucial. That was afterall, one of the instructions.

My roommate's girlfriend just finished the book the other day and smoked her final cigarette. I asked her a day later if she had any cravings. And she said nonchalantly, "No."

!GEORGE GORDON!
 

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Originally posted by George Gordon


1) Never have a craving
2) Never smoke a cigarette


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Carr 's method only works for those good in deluding themselves. It didn't work for me.

Actually, I learned to welcome the craves as a sign of healing. Every crave is a trigger-smoke combination broken....

grtz,
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