Video FRs

Time to get back into field reports.

Here's how I'm going to run things here. Followups, dates, etc. with girls will be posted as they happen. But we all know how hard it is keeping up with which girl is which and what the situation is. So in addition to my update posts, I'll also make an index post for each girl, which has a short summary of how things have been with her and links to all the posts about her.


Clicky Here Intro Video.

My Past

Born & raised to be a chump, oversaturated w/Hollywood bullsh1t and teachings of a completely AFC father.

2005 Middle School - Heavy social anxiety. No friends. Inability to hold conversation with anyone.

2006-2010 High School
Freshman - Started learning to talk. Made 2 friends.
Sophomore - Made first female friend. Joined a social circle for the first time.
Junior - Friend set me up w/date to school dance for first time. A girl kissed me on the cheek for the first time. Became a "leader" of social group.
Senior - Discovered SS. Posted FRs. Got first kiss. Went overboard trying to apply PUA advice, causing me to behave weird and ostracize me from social circle.

2010-? College
Fall 2010 - FRs. No success, became jaded, left SS, swore off women to "focus on other goals".
Feb 2011 - 1 month, first "relationship". Wasn't attracted to her, didn't care about her, didn't go past 1st base. She ended it via text message.
Apr 2011 - Discover SimplePickup. Very gradually, over course of a year, get inspired. Don't do sh1t yet though.
Sept 2011 - Move back in w/parents. Since college started, mental state/social skills have been steadily spiraling downward, approaching depression until...
Mar 2012 - Begin daytime, direct cold approaching like a madman. Transformation begins.
Apr 2012 - Get 1st # from cold approach. Mental state, social skills, confidence improving.
Jun 2012 - Get 1st date from cold approach. Makeout on that date, 1st kiss since bullsh1t "relationship".
Aug 2012 - Move out again to my own place. No roommates.
Sept 2012 - Get 1st same-night makeout during night game. Confidence is booming, comfortable talking to any girl/anyone.
Oct 2012 - 1.5 mo fling w/one-itis. I go past first base for the first time ever (but not much farther). Inner insecurities resurface, I start being too available to her, I come back to SS and create a bunch of AFC threads.
Nov 2012 - I end it w/one-itis when I want a relationship and she doesn't. And here we are.

First Report Clicky Here!!!



EDIT: I understand the title of this thread can be a little misleading. I DO HAVE some in-field footage, from way back in April though. I'm much better now, but here they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYTXBAcwq70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oByAMgXlkG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_0eqbsRH1s&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K9zYXmqDxA&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wf9hHUDVqE&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESpqWpeUr8&feature=youtu.be
And finally success:
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs7FiDJHSaE&feature=youtu.be
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw5LPwBW0ck&feature=youtu.be

Some more rejections, audio only:
http://yourlisten.com/user/public/sageproduct

Can I be your boss?

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Hahahaaa, that was funny but she had no sense of humor or was not interested so... next!

Do you have AIDS?

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Yeah uhhh, don't say that. I have no idea how a woman would be attracted to the thought of AIDS...

Wait! Wait!

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Follow through buddy, say something to engage her, not just "wait". If you're going to stop her, you have to really commit to it. But she did not seem interested in the first place, so I wouldn't push it too much. Attraction should be mutual.

Those some weird lookin' bras you got

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You're going to say she's adorable then turn around and say her bra is weird? It either comes off as being mean or making you look stupid since it was something else. It sucks because she seemed intrigued by you initially, but then lost it when you said that stuff.

She also said she's going to Cancun, you could have asked her about that. You said, "Ate some breakfast, hung out with a friend." I really don't want you to get offended, but this is a super boring conversation. "We were gonna get this plant and... smoke it... [insert awkward silence]" She then increases the distance between you two. If you're not a smoker and she is, don't try to make yourself look like a smoker to impress her. I knew a girl who did meth that wanted me, fully knowing that I don't even mess with drugs. Don't change yourself for gratification.

Dana, what's a good day like?

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Avoid questions like these because you are basically giving the power to control the frame away. Everything about that approach I was impressed by until you asked that question. It forces her to be creative and witty (which she doesn't have much incentive at this point to do so) when she might not even be that interested in you... Open ended questions are great after you know for a fact that she wants you as well. I liked the forwardness though.

The "success" story
I remember watching that vid a while ago. It took longer than usual, but don't worry about that. She seemed very interested in you, facing towards you, giving you full attention, physical closeness, and the HAIR FLICK (she did it in the very beginning when you said "That's a cute name"). And don't try to be "big dog" ("That stuff's boring... you haven't told me anything cool") you're not trying to get back at all the girls who rejected you by putting this chick down. I kind of skimmed through the vid because I didn't want to watch it all over again, but I think some light kino would've done nicely with her. When you were talking about your Asian features, you could have said she had nice features too and to be proud of them, then play with her hair a lil'. But that's at least what I would've done.

But what the f**k do I know? I'm just some random SS poster.

P.S. Be a little more animated, or at least learn to look more "relaxed". In all your videos, your stance looks like you are on the verge of street fighting someone.

One last thing, you should work on social anxiety, because it seems like you are always running out of things to say. Try talking to more people, not just women you wish to game.

@Fly
First of all, thanks for the feedback. Those videos were from a while ago, and I've improved much since then, but I shall still respond to your critique.

Fly By Night said:

Hahahaaa, that was funny but she had no sense of humor or was not interested so... next!

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Lol. Yup, gotta screen the girl for a sense of humor.

Follow through buddy, say something to engage her, not just "wait". If you're going to stop her, you have to really commit to it.

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Agreed. Mind froze on the spot.

"We were gonna get this plant and... smoke it... [insert awkward silence]"

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Lol, I remember this. I was still struggling just to hold conversation then. I could see early on she wasn't interested, and I was just pushing on saying whatever came to my mind.

Be a little more animated, or at least learn to look more "relaxed". In all your videos, your stance looks like you are on the verge of street fighting someone.

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I've definitely been told this a few times, I think it's better now. I think it's all about getting myself in the right mood. You're the first to compare me to a street fighter LOL. But yes, I do get told I often look overly serious.

One last thing, you should work on social anxiety, because it seems like you are always running out of things to say. Try talking to more people, not just women you wish to game.

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Copy that, I think I'm getting better. I've already made a bunch more friends this semester than the rest of my college experience combined.

Followup Updates

Girl #1: Stroller

Here's the text log.

Sat 11/17
I cold approach her, get #, short interaction so I told her I'd call her that day to get a better sense of who she is, call her at 6:08pm no answer.

9:34pm So you really want to know about my sweet roller bag huh? Haha. I can't talk now, watching this brutal bulls game with some buddies. I can text tho...
10:32 Mm bulls game eh? You get points for that in my book girl. Watchin friday night lights w/the pops here
[i go for some qualification]
11:19 Yeah I'm a pretty big fan, although a sad fan this season obviously. Nice, I've never seen that one, is it good? So you live in the area?
11:32 [my neighborhood downtown] baby! at my parents' house in [my hometown] for the night. FNL is a great show, fantastic drama I'll show you sometime. Where do you live?
11:41 Ahh I like [my hometown]. That's nice of you to visit your parents I spend Tuesdays and Wednesdays at my parents place in st charles because I have class in the suburbs. The rest of the time I live in the [her neighborhood downtown] so, right by you. But I'm moving to [suburb 40 min away from downtown and from my hometown] in January.
11:47 Haha you a bible banger at heart? Had a friend performing in a play in [suburb she's moving to] that I couldn't make it out to today. I'm guessing you work out in the city then
12:07 Nah pretty much the opposite of bible banger, I just like the area. I use to play [sport] there, had some family there, and went to [community college] in [nearby town]. I kinda work all over actually, I do tutoring in [subject]. And work in [another town] for my grandpas business two days. What about you?
12:21 Haha rate from 1 to 10 the humor you find in this joke: my sex life is like god, it doesn't exist. [Sport] at [sport club]? Big coincidence if so. I go to school at [my school] and work in a couple different places as well

No response, so I lay off Sunday and wait til Monday.

Mon 11/19
7:53pm You better be rooting for the bears baby!!
10:02 I don't think all the rooting in the world can help them tonight

That's it. Gonna call her today or tomorrow to build up some rapport, then play it cool for a few days, then call again to set up a date next week. Or possibly even this Sunday.

Girl #2: Meat

Cold approach and got # Sat. Due to perceived lower interest, I wait til Monday to text her. The message I send to her is a joke about how we had met once before.

Mon 11/19
2:33 1. Grocery store 2. Train station 3. Eiffel Tower. Sound good? -Sageproduct
2:36 Who is this?
2:37 Mother theresa

That's it.

Obviously low interest if she didn't remember me. Or my joke just translated poorly. But I'm going to be patient, play this cool, and text her again in 3, 4, 5, days, maybe a week.

Girl #1: Stroller

Sat 11/17 Video Here (0-2:33). Initial Meeting. Cold, direct daytime approach on the street.

Report Here. Texting convo later that night. She stopped responding, so I wait til Monday 11/19 and just send her one text.

Wed 11/21 Send her one text no response.

Girl #2: Meat

Sat 11/17 Video Here. Initial meeting. Cold, direct daytime approach at train station. By some insane stroke of coincidence, turns out I had already cold approached her once this summer, and that time she gave me the # but never texted back.

Mon 11/19 Report Here. Text her, she forgot who I was/didn't understand my joke.

Tues 11/20 Send one text less jokey. No response.

I need to fwcking figure out how to followup better after the initial interaction.

Quick Report first, rejection at the train station. Only had time for one approach.

Me: Hi.
Her: Hi?
Me: So this is TOTALLY random, but I just thought you were REALLY CUTE, and I HAD to come here and meet you.
Her: Oh, hahahaha hi.
Me: I'm sageproduct (shake hands)
Her: I'm ________

I literally only have one or two minutes' worth of time to stay

Me: Look, I really don't have much time at ALL to talk. So I have about ONE minute to see if you are cool
Her: Haha ok...
Me: Well. Uh...Let's see...What is your favorite color?
Her: Green. Olive green.
Me: But why?

Fluff talk a bit. I could have been smoother and wittier, but I was fwcking tired.

Her: Hold on one second. How old are you?
Me: How old do you think I am?
Her: 19.
Me: Wow. That's the first time anyone's ever UNDERshot my age.
Her: Look, you're too young for me. I'm 25.
Me: I'm unimpressed. The last girl I went on a date with was 27. I'm not making that up.

Could have been handled better. Problem was, I had already lost or was close to losing at this point for her to be disqualifying me and setting up a rejection.

Me: Ok I REALLY have to go now, BUT I want to see you again. What is your phone number?
Her: I don't give my number out.
Me: I'll send you one text, and you can decide if you want to-
Her: (cuts me off) Look, you're REALLY confident, outgoing, good at what you do, but you're too young for me.
Me: Cool. So what's your number?
Her: Hahaha I'm not giving it to you! Too many people have it already!
Me: I have an idea then. Go on craigslist, post your phone number, and soon you will get BOMBARDED by text messages. Then you'll see one that is INCREDIBLY witty and romantic, and you'll know that one's me.
Her: Hahahaha. Go find some other girls! You're really good at this, you will have NO trouble finding luck elsewhere.
Me: You're the only girl I ever wanted to talk to though.
Her: Hahaha, that's not true. There will be plenty of girls around. Probably on the very train that you're going to take!
Me: No, I'm going to jump in front of the train because you broke my heart.

Haha, fun interaction she was a dope a$$ chick. Said our goodbyes.

Followup Updates

Girl #1: Stroller

Send her one text today, was trying to set up a phone call.

Wed 11/21

2:41pm: Hey gangsta

No response. Motherfwcker I am doing SOMETHING wrong to keep losing girls' interest through sh1tty phone game. I need help on this. It's been happening for a while. I KNOW a small portion of numbers turn into dates. But I've gotten enough numbers to KNOW that some of them WERE interested, yet were lost by me through sh1tty phone game.

Girl #2: Meat

So yesterday I'm looking through my phone and suddenly realize that the first time I approached this girl over the summer, the reason why she never texted back was because I incorrectly entered her number. Meaning her interest should be higher than what I gauged. I shoot her a text, despite her not replying the previous day.

Tues 11/16

1:21pm Omg I just realized something stupid. (Btw this is the awesome asian guy who hit on you at the train station saturday)

No response.

Why is my phone game sucking so bad!!!

Video Report Here

OKCupid conversation:

11/22 3:27am hey! not to be creepy, but i'm going to take a stab and say that you live in [my neighborhood in the city]?

8:47am No, I live downtown haha

10:20am [my neighborhood] is a neighborhood in chicago, silly!

10:21am I know, but I live in downtown Chicago haha

11:10am ohh like downtown downtown. anyway, you seem like a cool person so i wanted to say hey

11:18am Haha yeah! Aw thanks you seem pretty cool too

11:26am gee thanks. look, i'm thinking about deactivating my account soon, so we should exchange phone numbers and get to know each other better

11:43am Sure, xxx-xxx-xxxx

I send her a text at 1:22pm:

Hey [her username] its the awesome asian guy messaging you aka real name sageproduct

No response. I send her another message on OKC today:

9:57am i'm going to call you later today so that we can talk! i'm xxx-xxx-xxxx

I plan to call her, but before I do, she sends me a text:

10:15am Hey! I forgot all about my texts from yesterday, sorry!
11:31am Oh its cool what's upp
11:32am Standing in line to pay. -.- you?
11:33am Doin some work. I'll call you in like 10 min so you can be charmed by my masculine voice..sound good?
11:36am Hahaha not now!
11:41am Ha where you at?

No response.

If something comes out of this, I'll make an index post for this one. If not, no need to waste space.

Yo dude,

Props on taking the self improvement journey and being determined to improve. Making these notes and videos will help you see exactly what you need to improve on and what you are doing well.

I know you mentioned that most of the videos are older and that you have improved many little things since then (body language, topics of conversation etc) which is good to hear.

Your hair looks way better shaved, then when you had that high fade in your older videos, I'd stick with the shaved head look.

One thing that doesn't get enough attention is how important it is to really present the best you possible in order to see maximum success.

Physically you look like you are in decent shape, no skinny, not fat; but I would really start hitting the gym and put on some size to your frame. Just the difference you will get in girls eye phuckin' you and being more receptive to your openers will be like night and day.

Also I'd invest in your wardrobe as well. Again, your clothes look fine, but dressing a little be more to fit your frame and style will help tremendously, esp if you get in good physical shape.

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From a game perspective, based on the older videos you have solid confidence. However the way you talk is a little mechanical, monotone-ish. Remember people respond a lot more to how you say things, rather than what you really say.

Also when you approach logistically you should always try to make eye contact prior to approaching if your able to. Stand facing your target, which will help you read the attraction cues much better as well.

A lot of guys follow a set sequence when they first get in the game and its understandable; it usually looks something like this;

-approach girl
-have conversation
-quickly get # and bounce


But your seeing that all that's happening here is your collecting a decent amount of #s and no actual dates.

You mentioned that you think your doing something wrong that's making these girls lose interest. From the older videos and recent conversations you've posted its not a phone game issue. Except when you randomly threw that sex joke in that text conversation....lol; now there's nothing wrong with that in general, but that wasn't congruent with the person you presented to the girl initially, so it likely came across as creepy and a little weird.

The solution to all this is KINO!!! You aren't really flirting with any of these girls at all. Your walking up to them and interviewing them (what do you do, where do you go to school, what do you do for fun); no offense but these are boringggggggg topics, not gonna get their panties wet in the least bit.

In summary:

-more energy in your approaches; in your voice, your body language, your mannerisms

-focus on reading non-verbal cues to read attraction

-kino!!! --- if she is comfortable with a casual touch on your arm, or small of her back from you; she will be comfortable with a lot more touching later

-lastly don't always follow a sequence of approach, end conversation first and get # and bounce. If the approach is going really well, take her on a date right on the spot. If she has interest, she will be happy to spend 10-20 minutes with you and if she truly can't will be excited to give you her # and go on a date.


Keep at it, its a journey, not a race.








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Cool journal, I'll be trying to follow this.

sageproduct said:

10:15am Hey! I forgot all about my texts from yesterday, sorry!
11:31am Oh its cool what's upp
11:32am Standing in line to pay. -.- you?
11:33am Doin some work. I'll call you in like 10 min so you can be charmed by my masculine voice..sound good?
11:36am Hahaha not now!
11:41am Ha where you at?

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Have you had a lot of success with phone conversations in the past?

More importantly, I think your texting skills are decent, but you send a lot of dumb texts. Like this last one here. "Ha where you at?" I mean wtf, that's boring, no wonder she didn't reply.

And with the other girl, the God joke...that's not something you want to be talking about. Even if she's an Atheist, it's boring conversation.

Bro your text game is beyond whack...that's where youre going wrong

Thx for the feedback guys.

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Your hair looks way better shaved, then when you had that high fade in your older videos, I'd stick with the shaved head look.

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Yeah I agree haha. Kind of realized over this summer that the buzz cut suits my personality better. I used to just let it grow out for a while to save money...But f that now I have a reason to look good.

Also I'd invest in your wardrobe as well. Again, your clothes look fine, but dressing a little be more to fit your frame and style will help tremendously, esp if you get in good physical shape.

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Thx. Fashion is one area that I'm indeed clueless in right now. I started paying attention a bit to style this summer. I saw backbreaker recommend styleforum.net in a post somewhere, so I'm going to start learning that sh1t.

From a game perspective, based on the older videos you have solid confidence. However the way you talk is a little mechanical, monotone-ish. Remember people respond a lot more to how you say things, rather than what you really say.

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Understood. The guy recording me said I looked like I had no energy, which really surprised me because I felt on edge. I didn't believe it until I saw myself on video.

Stand facing your target, which will help you read the attraction cues much better as well.

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This is something that I just realized recently. I used to always angle off to the side a bit, but now I make a point of pointing my chest directly at the girl and facing her directly as soon as we're locked into conversation.

If she has interest, she will be happy to spend 10-20 minutes with you and if she truly can't will be excited to give you her # and go on a date.

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Insta-dates for sure. I had one about a month back, alternative-type gamer girl who's not super attractive by traditional standards. She was super into me, bought me chocolate, and I could tell was even ready for me to kiss her after only spending an hour with me in the daytime. Somehow, I fwcked that up through sh1tty phone game and never saw her again.

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Have you had a lot of success with phone conversations in the past?

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Not in the past, but recently (as of a month ago) I've actually found myself to be pretty good at talking on the phone. Never awkward silences, I can keep a witty banter going, and even though most girls my age are kind of uncomfortable talking on the phone, I'm so comfortable with it that they don't really mind. I have such a better chance of conveying my personality through phone calls than through text, but I've been trying to use texting to set up phone conversations because most girls these days won't pick up the phone if you call out of the blue.

Last week I called a girl who I had only been texting and initially rejected me because she was loyal to her bf. Through our phone conversation, I was able to set up a date. She later cancelled bc she said our meetup "sounded like a date and she has a bf" (haha), but I could definitely tell her opinion of me went up after our conversation.

More importantly, I think your texting skills are decent, but you send a lot of dumb texts. Like this last one here. "Ha where you at?" I mean wtf, that's boring, no wonder she didn't reply.

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Lol ya I can be very sarcastic/dry sometimes and have a bad habit of trying to bring those over into any text-based conversation, and it often comes off weird/incongruent. Gotta restrain myself. I was texting my dude buddy yesterday and making some sarcastic jokes but then realized even HE wasn't sure if I was joking or not. That really hit me that I gotta be less "weird".

I asked where she was at because she was replying quickly and I was trying to gauge how soon I could call her...but it turned out stupid.

Busy with school stuff so no sarging. Phone game updates though.

Girl #1: Stroller

I call her around 7:30pm, she doesn't pick up. I leave her a voicemail which could have been decent, but I talk a little too much and it turns out sh1tty. Basically said some BS about wanting her opinion on where I should hang up a new calendar I got. It seemed like a good idea to me beforehand to offer something interesting, but it turned out stupid. No response from her.

NEXTED.

Girl #2: Meat

I call her around 7:30pm, she doesn't pick up. I knew a pretty solid voicemail I could have left her, but UGHHH HER VOICEMAIL WASN'T SET UP. A little later I send her this text:

8:04pm Hey meat. I've been busy but it was nice meeting you last wkend, and I do want to get to know you better

Last resort text there, no response no surprise.

NEXTED.

Girl #3: Mexy

Girl from OKC who I mentioned earlier. She now warrants an index post, which I will make right after this one.

I call her around 7:30pm today (lol just machine gunned a bunch of phone calls), we talk for 6 minutes. Decent to so-so conversation. I did most of the talking, she didn't put in too much effort. I was fun and bantering, got a chance to convey my personality beyond the online profile.

Definitely medium to low-medium interest, so I ended the call by saying that I'm busy this week but will give her another call sometime this week to set up a date for this Sunday or next weekend.

Girl #4: Sweetheart

I already know things are goin somewhere with this one.

I message her out of the blue on OKC:

Tues 11/20 5:14pm hey, i've got a terrible personality, but it's ok because i have the body of a greek god. what's up [her username]??

Wed 11/21 1:04pm Hmm which greek god? and what's your name? too bad about the personality, though.

Thurs 11/22 2:03am Yeah I'm proud to be an a$$hole!! Sometimes when the waitress refills my water I don't even say thanks. I'm sageproduct, I assume your name is [her username]?

12:44pm Well that's the height of rudeness. Middle name actually my first name is Sweetheart

Fri 11/23 10:01am Cool, like [cultural reference to her name]! Ok I'm going to be serious for a sec. I don't go on this a whole lot, but you seem like an interesting person. Why don't we exchange phone numbers so we can talk and get to know each other better?

3:16pm haha you like [cultural reference i made]? sure xxx-xxx-xxxx

I text her yesterday, then today:

Sat 11/24 4:08pm Hi [cultural reference]!
6:54 sup sageproduct!
Sun 11/25 2:39pm Ahh crazy weekend. I'm gonna call you when I get a chance later to make sure you're not a 40 year old man in disguise haha..sound good?
2:41 hah good thinking I can send u a pic now if you want

I don't respond, but call her at like 7:30. No answer, I leave a funky message saying I'm calling on behalf of www.handsomeasianmen.com in response to her request for a super studly asian guy. Pretty good delivery. After I hang up, I realize it might have been a little too strange for someone I'm meeting online, that it might scare her off...oh well, it's done, can only hope for the best...

A little after 8 she calls me back. Boom, we have a real solid conversation for 15 minutes and hit it off. She was scared when she first got my message but thought it was funny once she figured it out, I admitted I thought it might have been a little too "weird" for meeting someone online but said that was just how my sense of humor is.

We vibe sharing stuff about ourselves back and forth. Turns out we play the same 2 musical instruments AND the same sport! She went to a Catholic all-girls school but is not Catholic, and admits has VERY little involvement with guys.



Wow, could this get any better?



We already start talking about topics that are a little deeper and touch on religion as well. She asked me early on why I was on an online dating site...so I gave a pretty dam good (and truthful) spiel about how I don't really like the college social scene, I don't like college parties, and I don't like dating people I meet through friends because there are all these expectations and drama surrounding it...that I much prefer just meeting people in a 1 on 1 setting.

This girls is definitely a catch and into me. She's sweet and innocent, yet sounds fun. Has just the right amount of cuteness in her picture. We share similar values and direction (not to mention hobbies!). I'm definitely looking forward to meeting this one.

So right after she finds out I play the same sport as her, I cut her off and say look, I REALLY hate to cut this short, but I have to get back to studying. I tell her that I will be in her area on Tuesday, and that we can meet up for a quick coffee.

She is eager and says it will probably work, but she just has to make sure because she is constantly on call for work. I said "ok, and if not Tuesday then some other time." She also mentioned she could come out to my area too.



I want her to think I am a little impressed by our conversation. Afterward, I respond to her text from before:

8:32pm Hm...feel free to send me that pic still
8:34 sorry if I hung up on you! and sure hang on
8:38 [sends me pic] apologies on the lack of makeup
8:53 Lol why do you keep apologizing. And you get bonus points for goin sans makeup
9:04 send me one of you?

Like a selfish bastard I don't respond...hehe. Since my text game has been so sh1tty, first thing I'm doing is cutting down on it.


EDIT: Wtf there's a time-limit to when you can edit your posts??? This fwcks up my whole format of making "index posts" for specific girls...

Girl #3: Mexy

Thurs 11/22 Report Here. Initial Meeting - message back and forth on OKC. Get the #, send her a text, no response.

Fri 11/23 Text a little back and forth, she stops responding.

Sun 11/25 Report Here. 6 minute phone conversation. Tell her I will give her another call soon to set up a date.

Tues 11/27 Report Here. Send her one text.

Girl #4: Sweetheart

Tues 11/20 - Sat 11/24 Report Here. Initial Meeting message on OKC back and forth a message a day, get #. Send her one text, she responds.

Sun 11/25 Send her another text, she responds. Call her that night, 15 minute conversation, tentative plans set for Tues. Good conversation, high interest.

Mon 11/26 Report Here. Text a bit.

Tues 11/27 She gets called to work and can't make our date but suggests I ask her out again.

Two approaches at train station, phone updates

Video Report

Girl #3: Mexy

I decide to send her one text to get me on her mind.

Tues 11/27 12:46pm How did the paper turn out?
2:13 I still have to write the final draft haha

Gonna call her up tomorrow and ask her out for Sunday.

Girl #4: Sweetheart

I hadn't responded to her request for a pic of me from the night before.

Mon 11/26 11:32am I suppose its only fair...[i attach a really funny/weird pic of me grabbing my friend's boob]
11:32 AH SHOOT WTF DID I SEND YOU THAT'S NOT ME I PROMISE
3:00pm you didn't send me anything!
3:03 Interesting. Here [i attach a pic i take of myself on the spot where the camera's pointed up toward me..not a great pic] Yeahhhh look up to me!!
3:47 thanks!
4:15 How was your day?
4:47 Not bad. how was yours
I ignore, call her at 8:30, goes to voicemail after one ring. Leave her a voicemail asking if I should get Domino's or Pizza Hut. She doesn't call back.
10:05 Crazy but good. Currently grabbing some pizzaaaa
10:15 yum!!!
10:16 I'm gonna take a random guess and say that you enjoy pepperoni
10:24 good guess!!!
10:25 Wooo

No response. Then, today I decide my interactions with her have been sh1t boring, and I need to turn on the flirt and bring in some excitement:

Tues 11/27 8:57am Hey so I might have a date tonight with this cool girl I met on a stupid dating site. I've never talked to a girl in my life before, so I'm SUPER nervous. What should I do?
3:04pm Well, word on the street is she has to work tonight. But my advice is you ask her out again sometime!!
3:16 Oo what time is she working? Shhh what if she finds out I have a crush on her that would be a disaster!
3:59 4-10. and don't worry I wont tell her
4:00 Yay you're such a trustworthy friend!! Wait...****.......

One rejection, *phone updates*

Video Report

So, since posts can't be edited past a certain date, my index posts will now be Google Docs viewable by everyone.

Index Here.

Also, after reading Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game, I've un-NEXTED Girls #1 and #2 and instead will try applying the "Long Fuse" theory to them. We'll see if it goes anywhere.

Girl #2: Meat

So, it turns out I had the wrong number for her (but found the right one on Sunday!). Check the index for the real timeline excluding the exchanges I had with the wrong number, but here are all the texts exchanged:

Mon 11/26 10:30am Hey is this Meat?
10:31 Yeah who is this?
10:34 Wow geez. This is sageproduct the awesome asian guy..[place where i first cold approached her over the summer], [place where i cold approached her last weekend], last weekend..I have a stupid stupid story for you
10:47 Yeah?
11:14 I entered your # incorrectly and didn't realize it until I found your actual one yesterday. So that's why you haven't heard from me til now

(I explained myself here because I thought it would be low-value behavior to take the phone number of a girl and not contact her until over a week later)

No response.

Wed 11/28 9:05pm Sup! I definitely just saw your twin at starbucks

Girl #3: Mexy

Forgot to call her because I am already getting one-itis for Girl#4 Sweetheart.

Thurs 11/29 4:22pm Help me...must. Not. Give. In. To. Temptation. To buy mexican sweets
4:29 They're fattening and gross. Don't buy them!
4:30 Fat and gross...I heard that's the new mean and sexy though!!
4:49 I never heard of that

I forgot to respond. Gonna keep "ping"ing her then call her Sunday for a same-day date.

Girl #4: Sweetheart

Thurs 11/29 4:06pm Sup catholic schoolgirl! I remember that you play guitar. Acoustic or electric?
4:10 hey Chicago college kid. acoustic!
4:21 KID??!? Excuse me my mom doesn't tie my shoelaces anymore. cool, I pretty much assumed so
4:34 Oh your roommate ties them now? you've come far buddy. haha kidding! and yep do u play?
4:37 Roommates are for losers and poor ppl! Jk I'm not rich. Hold on a sec I'm gonna call you in a bit
4:43 ok!

Call her at 4:47. We end up talking for half an hour, I keep telling myself I need to end the call but am just enjoying it too much. We connect on a lot of things, share a lot of similar views. A few things I did that should be pointed out:

-I haven't been running a whole lot of attraction material on her. So right when I called her, here's how it started out.
(her)"Hello?"
"Hey, how are ya"
"Good, how are-"
"I just wanted to hear your...40 year old man voice again, haha"
"Oh yeah hahaha how is it"
"I'm just kidding, you don't sound like that. You have a...charming voice"
"Ohhh...thanks" (clearly not used to being complimented, what a cutie)
As she's still accepting the compliment, I'm already beginning to banter and start the actual conversation.
-Early on, I could see our conversation heading toward interview mode. So I pushed the "us mentality" by describing an imaginary clinic that she and I could open up. She didn't buy into it at first, but after I really pulled the conversation in that direction she started investing in it as well. If I hadn't done this, our conversation easily could have fell into just a relay of information.
-Because I'm in college and she's in high school (don't worry guys she's 18, i'm not a scumbag, nor am i a criminal), I feel like I REALLY need to do a good job qualifying her, so that she won't think "What is up with this guy that he's interested in me? Is he a loser who can't get girls his own age?" When I was dating a 27 year old, she lost value in my eyes because I wondered what was up with her that she would consider a 20 year old for a serious relationship. ALSO, my texts on Tuesday were jokes about me being a huge AFC, but I have to make absolutely certain that she KNOWS those were jokes and that I am indeed a desired and preselected man. So, this is how I pushed hard for some qualification, as well as preselection(the good thing is that every word of what i told her is true):
"Pardon me for telling you this Sweetheart. But the last two girls I dated were 23 and 27, and you're so much of an independent thinker that I think you're moreso than either of them. I like how you are a person who can speak for herself no matter what the beliefs of the people around her are."
Bam, qualification, SOI, DHV all in one.
-Early on I asked if she had big plans for weekends in general (should have just said this weekend), then talked about my weekend without hinting at getting together. Then later, I told her I had to run x errand downtown and asked her if she wanted to come with me, and I could show her around. She responded saying this weekend is not good because her parents are out of town and she has to babysit her two younger brothers and can't come all the way out to the city.
-During conversation my fwcking shelf with all of my clothes came crashing down and scared the sh!t out of me haha. I told her I'd send her a pic afterward
-She promised to paint me a painting that is an abstract representation of my voice...good good good compliance and investment from her.
-End of conversation was kind of funny. VERY abruptly, she goes "I have to go. Bye."

I'm fairly certain she's trying to do what a teenage girl's idea of "playing hard to get" is and act less interested than she actually is, and I wish she would fwcking stop it lol. It's not making me more attracted to her, it's just fwcking with the pace at which I can move our relationship forward. Fwcking female sh!t dating advice lol. Oh well, I'm running game, so can't blame her for doing so as well.

After the conversation:
5:20pm [send her the pic of my clothes]This was the demon
5:30 woaaah
5:36 I really like talking to you on the phone!

Melted my heart haha. BUT taken with a grain of salt, I can't let that be a barrier to actually meeting up in person.

5:40 Hahah you're sweet. Me too a good conversation is hard to come by these days. Make that art of my voice fabulous and I might have to marry you!
5:44 I'll make it awesome. no grades though remember
5:44 No grades!! Otherwise I'll divorce you
5:56 Oh ya I forgot to mention I disabled OKC cuz I decided its a waste of time...luckily we met when we did
6:00 oh got ya yeah its pretty dumb overall!
6:10 "Most private thing I'm willing to admit" gets me every time. "Uh...I have herpes"
6:20 hahaha "my religion requires human sacrifice".....I mean its just awkward
6:22 "Sometimes I pee in the shower.." Wait I actually do. Wait why did I tell you that. Dammit....unless you're into that
6:30 hahaha "my best friend is my cat."........... "really".
6:31 Haha really?
6:32 (I'm not judging. Ppl can suck sometimes)
6:35 haha well mostly kidding. mostly.
6:37 My best friend is...the mirror muah muah muah oh roo rah yeahhh. And the thousands of self-portraits on my wall
6:40 abstract self portraits?
6:43 Doggone it that actually sounds kind of cool! You ruined my joke. I'm kinda ****y so I like self-deprecating humor to keep myself in check
6:43 [she sends me pic of her cat] my cat.
6:45 He looks kinda chubby!
6:47 haha i didnt ruin your joke i added to it! and she is pleasantly plump.
6:51 Haha maybe she'll be friends w/my sister's cats. Heading out now, maybe I'll send you a pic of the sketchy bar later!
6:54 yeah we'll have to introduce them! and alright have fun
6:56 Danke Schoen Fuer Elise!
6:57 adios

Didn't send her a pic that night bc it was pretty late when I took it.

Anyway, she seems interested, but I am wary of the friend zone. She doesn't really respond to flirty/sexual baiting, and it's either because 1 she doesn't know how to flirt or 2 I'm not doing a good enough job hitting the attraction switches. Hopefully it's the former, but more likely a combination of both.

Having...trouble...fighting...one-itis...

sageproduct said:

(I explained myself here because I thought it would be low-value behavior to take the phone number of a girl and not contact her until over a week later)

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Not true. But it doesn't matter, she's clearly not interested anyway. Next.

sageproduct said:

I forgot to respond. Gonna keep "ping"ing her then call her Sunday for a same-day date.

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Careful. You don't have good text game, don't over-do it.

As for the 18 y/o chick...it's tough to give advice since high school girls are probably at their flakiness peak, but I think you should try to speed things up a bit. You're texting A LOT, but I think that it is less of a bad thing than with an older girl, so I won't advise you one way or another there.

Your style is very different from mine (telling her how sweet she is, albeit in a joking way, etc), but if that works for you, then it works for you. Seems a little much to me.

You don't wanna draw this out forever though. She's either into you or she isn't. Sure, at 18 she might need a lot of comfort building before she's willing to meet up, but you've given her that. Now move things forward.

Don't contact her for a few days, then text something like "hey [nickname], let's grab some coffee after school. I'm free Wednesday and Thursday this week."

The more time you invest without any results, the more frustrated you'll get, so make it happen cap'n.

^Thx.

ARrocket said:

high school girls are probably at their flakiness peak, but I think you should try to speed things up a bit. You're texting A LOT, but I think that it is less of a bad thing than with an older girl, so I won't advise you one way or another there.

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Roger that and agree about the flakiness.

Your style is very different from mine (telling her how sweet she is, albeit in a joking way, etc), but if that works for you, then it works for you. Seems a little much to me.

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Yeah lol, I do tend to play the role of the romantic/sweet guy, and I like girls who are also like that/attracted to that kind of stuff. My previous one-itis who I dated for a month was the same way, she ate that sh!t up and would constantly tell me how "nice" I am and say she couldn't believe I'd never had a girlfriend because I was sooooo nice, and my other plate at the time, who's 27, said "I think you're a romantic at heart and dating multiple people isn't for you".

I'm a huge fan of affection (I care about it at least just as much as sex). Maybe I should stop jerking off again and ramp up that sex drive.

The more time you invest without any results, the more frustrated you'll get, so make it happen cap'n.

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Roger that.

Keep them coming brother. I draw inspiration from this.

Read your posts. I applaud you for coming out of your shell and putting yourself out there like this.

As for specifically what you are saying and doing. One, you are being way too cutesy with your texts and calls to these girls. A few times I had to cringe. It's not that you are coming across as a nerdy shy type, in fact quite the opposite. But for me, you are appearing to try to hard, always there with the cheesy or witty-or at least trying to be witty, comeback. And people can see right through that. Try to be a little more relaxed, real, and don't try so hard. Just be...natural.

I would also quit texting and calling so much. I can see you getting put into the friends zone very quickly with all of this banter back and forth. Call, talk a bit, set up a date. If she can't do the date a certain day, text a time or two in between, call her again, and try to set up the date. And for sure avoid oneitis with a girl that you have never met, as you are doing with this Sweetheart girl. You will reek of desperation and you probably already do to her.

So just chillax.

As a sidenote, as an Asian guy, you are probably going to be disappointed more times that not hitting on white girls. I have dated an Asian girl over 3 years now, and being out with her and friends, and walking around the LA area in general, that is by far the least popular combo of interracial couples you see together. Asian guy and white girl. Most popular being the white guy and Asian girl. Nothing against you personally, you seem smart and are a decent looking guy. I think it has more to do with white people's perception of Asian men in general. A stereotype of being nerdy, quiet, weak. So you are going to have to fight that. Keep it up and I have no doubts that you will.


Good luck.