The Men’s Rights Movement Is Dead

Solomon said:

Correction: The White american man's right movement is dead

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Fixed

+ repped !

Zarky said:

Difference is I don't have to leave the country to get laid

And the "house" may be "burning" for shmucks who bought into the beta-male husband/provider system. I never did, so my house is doing just fine. Just because it's bad for you doesn't mean it's bad for me. We're not all in the same boat just because we happen to be male.

Sounds like the black male population largely didn't buy into the system either. I think that's because they were actually raised by more alpha-type fathers. Most of the black guys I've known haven't had much trouble understanding how the world works and have spent time trying to make it work for them rather than wringing their hands about it.

If you personally got screwed by the system, don't blame the system. Somebody didn't educate you about it or prepare you to handle it. Blame them. OR if you really think the system needs changing, then work your ass off to change it. I'm all for men's rights, but villainizing women ain't the way to get them.

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again this is a post that i think hits a lot of the nail's head and that I think seriously needs to be expounded upon.

I have no desire to debate or aruge with anyone; i know i'm right, beucase i see it everyday and i live it. either you believe me or you don't but i feel that this is one of those threads, that in the grand scheme of this site, will become extremely important and one that i believe has to be directed more towards the truth of the matter beucase a lot of people are giong to read this for a very long time. some good **** here.

first of all you have to understand that a lot things, if not all things that are complex people like to have simple and neat answers, i.e it women's fault or it's men's fault or it's black stopple's fault or it's social media's fault, when in truth complex problems like this are always the combination of a bunch of factors that conclude to produce 1 really undesirable outcome

the way I see it, is that this is a problem that as soon as the computer was invented, this was going to always end up being some of the back lash. I will expound on later.


The Golden Avg White Male Era

This really starts, really, in the 1920's. Around the time women seriously started getting equal rights. Women started to have a lot more say into who they dated, and really, this was the first time in our society that people, and by people I mean, avg people, not rich or famous people, were able to date people they liked instead of really marrying out of necessity. For the most part, not talking about your famous people or your people from families who had means, but working class everyday people of any race or creed, married and even had kids much more so out of necessity. you had kids to help out around the farm/help work, not beucase you loved kids or you loved each other. you married someone beucase you didn't want to kill each other and that that person gave you the best outcome for survival. My point is, up really into the 20's, the concept of love for the avg person , was tantamount to a fairy tale.

As stated, in the 20's **** gets poppin. women, with no found rights, and freedom, still not the freedom and rights of the white American male but rights and freedoms, are allowed to take things into consideration other than, primal survival needs.. is he cute, is he nice, is he sweet. girl in the 1920's now has real options. and this **** goes on for a few decades and goes on quite well.

Now, there is nothing particularly wrong with this setup. **** it got us here. But the mistake that society, in particular, again not racist, just in a matter of fact manner, the white American male makes, is not understanding that hypergamy is still very much in play and is still the driving issue behind women's decisions. Yes 1920's girl likes you beucase you are sweet, and nice and a good man and you do what you say you are going to do and you aren't bad looking, but that does not mean she would have chosen you if she were given a city or a slew of additional options. In short, 1920's white male assumes that it's his niceness and his virtue that allows him to have a woman who won't cheat on him and loves him. again going back tot he chart i posted in the other post, this is an illusion; when you strip a;ll of it down, the woman is looking for the best she can find still, but she is just now using more verables other than primary needs.


Now all this **** works great for about 40-50 years. nothing has really changed. but in the 60's, **** doesn't hit the fan, but it's the beginning of the end of the golden avg white male era. There are 2 things going on here, in two entirely different spectrum of life, that while the avg white male can't yet see it, are going to dramatically impact society.

The first being, not even of just black people getting rights and to vote and ****, but the concept of equal opportunity across the board is getting serious attention. people want the same rights as everyone else. white people, white women, black men, black women, Hispanics, all. The long term effect of this is twofold; the more opportunities that women get, the more she is not concerned about the husband's ability to provide, i mean it's a concern but it's not weighted like it was in the past. Also with more rights and more expose to people of different enthicites, socializing with them and eventually dating them, becomes accepted if not common place, which, dilutes the current sexual playing field of desired women with more options

the other thing that is going on at this time is invention of the microchip, which is the precourer to the invention of the personal computer.

however and this is very very important.. I'm 29. My dad is 51. He was born in 1960. So that means, a lot of the guys here my age, Boilermaker, I just know he's my age, a few more guys, your dad's are probably around my age which means they were also born in the 60's. These men all grew up in a society that while the ground work for radical dating change had taken place, the results long term will still very far off, decades away, and these men were raised on the treat em right, get a decent job, provide for yourse family, be a nice man, your wife will love and cherrish you, which is again, as stated above, falty logic. this never was why women were stai9ng wtih men in the first place, they wre staying with you beucase you were the best option.

Anyway, these men, all grow up, myd ad met my mom in 81 and in 81, while mengling with people of different races was common place, even to some extent interracial dating, not very much different and again the internet is a good decade and a half away, so **** is still going good. Joe avg white male who is a teacher or works in a paper mill and has a 20 dollar an hour job with benefits, who isn't ugly but isn't repulsive, is going to get him a pretty good looking woman who is going to make the best of the situation. while travling is up and women have the same rights as men, women still have not 100% caught up with men in the work place yet and still are very independent on men to provide and be a bread winner.

however **** really is starting to change, this was around the time we were born. and while no one can see it, what you have is a, what's that damn word when you have a bunch of **** in a .. a melting pot of things; the combanation of the internet in the near future, you have the first real generation of minorities who are given the same rights as everyone else and who are seen by their peers for the most part as equals, the ability for women, of all status and backgrounds to not need men to support them if they so chose and just as imoprtant as all, you ahve very differnet schools of thought that are being preached in houseoldfs all across america as zarky pointed out.. you have genrations of men who have trated women right, done what they were supposed to do so to speak, and have sold their children on the idea hook line and sinker that if you go out, get a decent job, treat women with repsect, you won't have a problem finding a good woman who is good looking and is going to be loyal to you. and **** they aren't wrong lol, they just don't understand the melting pot that is taking place; it's the right advice for the time.


then you have people who were raised in households like mine, my dad's mom and dad are the only couple i have ever seen live together their entire life. the concept of a couple getting together and the man providing for the woman and the woman being complacent and loving was virtually nonexistent growing up. that's **** you saw on TV that's now how life worked. my dad went out, fvcked who he wanted when he wanted, took care of his kids but never committed to a woman just beucase she liked him. Then every fea years after fvckign myd ad would run across a gem, a woman worth not fvcking other women over, and would settle down, or at lleat, pretend to not fvck anyone else for the time being. this is the plate theory in it's infancy at least for the general public. I remember the first time my dad was dating a white woman and back then this was like right after my mom and dad split like 91 and back then this was some **** that you did nto see everyday and everyone was always turning heads and ****. sweet woman too, paula was her name. was pretty hot lol.

so what i am getting t in a long winded way, you 2 very, distinct theories at play; treat them right, get a good job, ***** will come. and you have, learn "game", look fly, go out and have fun, fvck who you want and once a woman shows you that hey.. i like fvckign you way more than i like fvcking these other women, i will stop sleeping with other woman.

backbreaker said:

The Decline of the Avg White Male Golden Era


... It was beucase I love horse racing that i went to the track one morning and saw my now wife there looking cute and eventually approached her. This is a woman, a part of society that 20 years ago i would have not had any part of.

With the invent of the internet and social media sites, the people who were raised in the mantra of get a decent job, don't worry about "game" just treat a woman right, and she will treat you right, beucase it is based on the wrong theory that non hypergamy based falls flat on it's collective face. women, now have many more options, and what cut it 20 years ago and allowed for women to over look things like not being hot or really in shape, not being a great dresser, or not having a promising career, that's not going to cut it anymore.

The back lash of this, is that the avg white male starts to become "extinct". I don't mean in the literal sense that they are dying out, but in the sense that they they start to do revert to long term survival instincts, start messing with girls with baggage who otherwise, 20 30 years ago would not have been options but now they have little choice beucase these are the only ones who will treat them right if you treat them right. The bad seeds produce bad results and this is where i believe how we get to where we are today, august 28th, 2012. '


so yeah, the real issue, is that you have to go back and learn how to deal with women, beucase the way were taught to deal with women and how to attract women, never was correct in the first place. The problem with the mens rights movement is that the vast maority of them, do not understand the real problem. the problem is not that men don't have rights, the problem is that you are being forced to deal with women who otherwise you would not have had to deal with, women ho are giving you sihtty results and you are having to deal on the legal system and it's not working in your favor. In other words, if you took the internet away today and you put all the black people on one side of the city and all Hispanics on one side and all white's on one side, and did not let them date each other, you would see the men's right movement evaporate overnight beucase then again being an avg white male will again be good enough to secure the love and loalty of the women that he truly desires to be with

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Welcome Back to SoSuave, genius.

It's spelled "because". Simply concatenate: "be" and "cause". "because".

Cheers.

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backbreaker said:

edit: you can sum up black women with the exact above just about vebatium. in thse sense, avg black women have the exact same plight as the avg white male. being black, being a good woman and loyal is not enough to secure a good black man who has options. options in part beucase he can now meet people in different parts of society, he can travel, and partly beucase he can date outside his race. thus the avg black woman gets pushed down on the totem pole. the good looking ones have no problem at all attracting good black men.

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It looks like it's going to be a tough habit to shake off, BB. But I am willing to help a brother.

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I think demanding the correct spelling of because from an author before I embark on a good evening's promenade trying to decipher his fundamental sociology essays isn't pedantry. But fair enough. Yes I am "always" this pedantic.
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Are you alwasy this pedantic?

If backbreaker never came out of retirement ( :crackup: ), I wouldn't have to close this thread.