The numbers game is basically a pain in the ass

and takes too much time/mental energy for me. Guess I don't get to bang anymore hot chicks for a while, lol. Does anybody else have this issue? In the past month I've had five 8's flake out on me and ****ed one 6 I'd been trying to avoid ****ing. My "text game" if you want to even call it that is very simple and usually starts with something like:

"Ay!! How are you? Let's grab a coffee tomorrow around 7pm. -blueline"

Maybe I'll tease her a bit or give a challenge, but that's the underlying structure, it's nothing fancy. I have sent literally that message and gotten dates out of it. It works when the girl is interested, and when she isn't, it doesn't work. Very simple. I don't typically attempt to develop rapport through text, because when I get dates, there is no need to do any of that bull****. That one line up there will do it all for me.

I mean, technically, all except one of those girls that rejected me are vaguely social circle. I met all five of them at house parties. 2/5 of them know my ex, who almost undoubtedly talked **** about me. 1/5 I took on a couple dates, made out/groped with several times, and then she finds out my ex is dating her good friend. Contact started to dwindle when it looked like everything was heading towards sex.

The funny thing is that it's actually really easy to cold approach and date random low self-esteem 7-8's and anything <7. Picking up the 6 is almost a joke for me. At a club/bar, those girls will typically approach me, or at least give me signals to approach, and it's all gravy from there.

While I'm not amazing looking, my wingman definitely is good looking. That guy has banged over 50 girls and is the cold approach master. I've winged with him for almost an entire year now and we crash and burn probably 90% of the time (crash and burn being flakes). Getting numbers is easy, but getting the hot randoms to come back to the crib the same night is almost impossible. When one of us actually scores a hot chick, it's totally due to being friends with people.

And yeah, when I **** the hot chick, it is always due to being involved in her social circle. Almost always.

Another interesting regularity I'm noticing is that the hottest girls I've ****ed have been clinically diagnosed with some sort of mood disorder be it bipolar or depression or just have low self-esteem in general.

I feel like I'm searching for the needle in the haystack with women. Especially if I'm to outdo my ex in terms of hottness. I'm probably going to have to find an even crazier bitch (very difficult to do seeing as that she once went to a mental hospital).

life is like sitting in a boat in a big river with a very small paddle. The river will take you where it takes you, and you can use your tiny paddle to make little differences in your life, but that's about it.

I do online dating, and in the past 7 days I've sent out about 100 initial emails. 75 of those women deleted my email without responding. 5 gave me such lame responses that I dropped them, 20 gave me decent responses. Of those 20, 10 have since stopped responding and I'm conversing with 10. I hope to get 2 girls to date out of those, 1 will be a dud first date and 1 girl I may go on to sleep with.

99% failure rate. That's dating.

Enjoy your flakes, enjoy your 6s, and when a rare 9 comes along enjoy your time with her too. There is no destination, and you don't even have much control over the journey.

LOL, Zarky, that was beautiful man, no pissing and moaning about it, just detached Zen-like acceptance about the whole situation.

Zarky, you're right, that's how dating is for guys. Guys do all that work for almost nothing, while women, even nasty ones, sit back and get all kinds of play with little to no effort at all.

Cold approaching and the numbers game is extremely frustrating in my opinion. Even if you think you made a good first impression 90% of the time you won't get a response to your call/text and if you're lucky enough to get a simple response there is an even greater chance of the b!tch flaking on you come date night.

Keep trying with the approaches and numbers, make your own or get into a social circle, or quit. Pretty much your options as a man.

Your entire life is a numbers game. Sometimes the numbers are in your favor (odds of being struck by lightning 1:750,000) and sometimes they're not. But the more you know how to work the numbers in your favor, the less of a gamble it becomes.

The secret is there isn't much to know specifically here. There are so many girls I've ****ed without even trying to attract them. That's how it basically always works.

Having a Zen-like detached approach to your situation is all the while, good for the short term. But what about the long-term? You need to take action and pull the bull by the horns. Being Gandhi, in terms of hardship isn't advancing the exterior, just the interior.

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Having a Zen-like detached approach to your situation is all the while, good for the short term. But what about the long-term? You need to take action and pull the bull by the horns. Being Gandhi, in terms of hardship isn't advancing the exterior, just the interior.

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We're on the same page, DJ's are of course, men of action, Zarky punched out about 100 e-mails and blueline sounds like he's running dozens of cold approaches each week.

Mad Ghost, none of this is directed at you, I'm just thinking out loud.

What I really like about Zarky's attitude is that he is so comfortable with the reality of the game he's playing, he knows what the rules are, he knows that the game is rigged, but he's not bemoaning how unfair it is (I've been that guy), or trying to tear away at a system he can't change.

That kind of attitude will give you longevity in the Game. Being outcome dependant, being fixated on unfairness, falling victim to oneitis, that sh!t will burn you out quick.

And I guess it's worth noting that some very high value men ( I don't know any myself) end up transcending the numbers game altogether. It's not really relevant for most of us, I'm just saying that I acknowledge it can happen.

I had a lot more luck during the summer where I live. New women I've met, of late, just aren't following through, whether it be, answering an email, text, or phone call. I have a new one I met briefly about 4 months ago, I just contacted yesterday for the first time via email. She responded, but she can't do anything this weekend, so I offer next weekend in an email tonight. She's cute, a 7, I'd say bc she's kinda gross (personality-wise, a creepy horror flick fanatic chick type girl), but if you saw her pic you'd say 8, but I've met her so my impression of her based on her behavior is 7 overall. She (mid-twenties blond) just broke up with her boyfriend (of 4 months?) since the last time I saw her. Her teeth are yellow, I might offer her some whitening strips one day. This might bump her up to an 8.

I'm here to help Every girl I meet, make suggestions, if she gets mad, FVCK her, if she doesn't and Thanks me for my advice, then I'll consider her more worthy of my time. I like telling women why I can't be with them long-term. When I tell her something she Can't change (like she's too short for me), it'll really fvck with her mind, and she hates me for revealing that harmful info to her, but I'm just being truthful. I don't like stooping down to kiss. It hurts my neck, but I'll fvck her. One of those has been contacting me earlier this week (Sun through Tues) and SAID she'd call me tomorrow to see if we can get together Saturday. I'm reluctant to respond/answer to her tomorrow, if prospects of getting with another fresher girl becomes more obtainable. I've been busy, really every night this week, messaging plates, potential plates, just broad-brushing, prodding, poking the meat to see if there's any nibbles. Your initial contact should be very low key, just a small jab to get her attention, that you're thinking about her. See which one is the most responsive and push it, same with the next one, until you forget all the others and go with your choice(s) for the weekend. The others will wonder, "Why didn't he message me again?" or "Why did he say he didn't want to do anything all of a sudden?...It Must be another woman..(and she's right)" That makes you look good to almost All of the others who didn't get selected. "Why didn't he pick Me?"

I keep trying to actually SPEAK to some hot ones that don't ever answer, week after week. It makes me start thinking she changed her phone number. I don't get upset, I just keep trying.

Had one hot one (late 20s) I had just met yesterday not respond to my message last night. I don't understand why, but I believe it has to do with her thinking she's too "mature" for me (I'm kind of a silly boy sometimes even though 35, and sometimes come off as an as5hole or a locker room "kiss and teller" to Some women and I think she picked up on that and now is cold to me). Oh well, do I give a sh!t? No. Maybe one day she'll come around and message Me. I'm not going to bank on it, but it Could happen because she sees me with another woman having a good time. That will get her to press that send button. It's happened to me a few times this year. Their psychology is crystal transparent. They, these species called women, are so De-pen-dent, despite all this independent woman bullsh!t they spout.

I also called up one I fvcked 2 months ago http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1733669&postcount=100 to reminisce and she remembered me Totally even though I cut her off way back then. She's been thinking about me the whole time. She thought that because she told me that she had a black child out of wedlock I wouldn't want her anymore. I told her it didn't matter to me (pvssy's pvssy). I don't know if I'll get with her anytime soon though. She's also short, just over 5 foot.

Wilko said:

What I really like about Zarky's attitude is that he is so comfortable with the reality of the game he's playing, he knows what the rules are, he knows that the game is rigged, but he's not bemoaning how unfair it is (I've been that guy), or trying to tear away at a system he can't change.

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Keep in mind that I've been doing it for about 8 years now. At first I got frustrated, really frustrated. And after some frustration I just left my profile up there on every single singles site and didn't contact any women at all and waited for them to contact me. I got about 1 new email every 6 months. I did that for almost six years. It wasn't until 2008 that I just said "f*ck it" and began sending out billions of emails. And I banged 6 chicks that summer and thought "aha, I guess this is how it must be done."

Believe me I've sat around feeling sh*tty about things, but that doesn't get me laid. And I guess my sex drive is enough to overcome all the bad feelings.

To me, that's what it takes. Simply the desire to bed lots of chicks. That drive will plow through all the crap. There are setbacks along the way, but once my girl-o-meter drops to 2 (ie., I'm only screwing 2 chicks at one time), my red light starts flashing and I'm driven to rev up the ol' seduction tank and go out there and plow through the bullsh*t once again in search of other women.

Yes, it sucks that the returns are so low, but I figure that so many people throughout history have had it so much worse, living through depressions and wars and other awful, awful things, that I think I can put up with having women delete my emails.
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Zarky said:

99% failure rate. That's dating.

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I've been noticing this same problem...