Any of you guys use day game?

A friend showed me the free e-book Paul Janka wrote on meeting girls during the day in New York. He stops them in the street and has a one minute conversation then goes for the number.

This sounds amazing but coming from London I am very much schooled in a "Don't talk to strangers outside of designated meeting places such as bars and clubs" and would feel like I'd be harassing girls.

Has anyone tried this and what sort of results have you gotten?

Some stuff ive read about this suggests doing stuff like asking for directions or the way to the nearest Starbucks, or where the produce section is in the Supermarket. But Im not sure how you would transition that to a conversation leading to a number?

Other stuff seems to suggest going for a more direct approach along the lines of "Hey you are cute" as an opening line.

Thoughts?

You should get used to approaching and talking to girls outside of "designated meeting places such as bars and clubs".

Here's a post I like that basically talks about day game approaches and his results:

rejection collection by 2ndTour
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16725

Some stuff ive read about this suggests doing stuff like asking for directions or the way to the nearest Starbucks, or where the produce section is in the Supermarket. But Im not sure how you would transition that to a conversation leading to a number?

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Throw in a town map and it sounds like ALPHAROMEO's stuff.

No. It's desperate and creepy. Sure you can ask a girl what time it is if you want to know what time it is. Sure you can talk to the girl sitting next to you in your class. But if you stop a girl that is in a hurry in the middle of the street and you say to her that her earrings match her shirt because you read that sh.t in some e-book, she will call the police and you will be here whining about women being evil, while in fact, you were sexually harrassing her.

Sexual harassment is a joke. Wake up.

mrRuckus said:

Sexual harassment is a joke. Wake up.

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LOL. It's only sexual harassment when you're ugly and/or the advances are undesired.



P.S. I'm just joking. Don't sexually harass women. This has been a PSA brought to you by vatoloco. "The more you know..."

I reached in front of her to make sure she saw my wedding ring

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I know they say that if you are taken women will want you because of preselection. But I think when it comes to women treating guys with wedding rings better, I think this is what's going on, at least in part:

They think you're taken so they think you're not hitting on them, so they are comfortable with you. No pressure, no tension. Sort of like the way Mystery would use a neg to make the girl think he wasn't hitting on her, which made her comfortable with him and bought him more time to seduce her.

I do it all the time.

Girls appreciate being hit on; they don't get all dressed up and spend hours doing their hair and make-up thinking "I hope I don't get hit on or noticed today".

I find Its not creepy or desperate at all as long as you're not a creepy or desperate person.

In fact, I prefer day game and think its waaay better than going to clubs...it takes more balls to approach someone outside of a social venue too doesn't it?

Id be amazed if approaching a random stranger during the day and trying to engage them in polite conversation could be construed as harassment. You guys are kidding right?

But yeah just to be safe it may be more sensible to use a more indirect approach such as a situational comment and then if she seems friendly give a compliment and ask for the number.

J. Darko said:

No. It's desperate and creepy.

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Creepy is seeing a beautiful woman, and not talking to her because you are secretly afraid of what others will think, while giving off all kinds of mixed signals.

But if you stop a girl that is in a hurry in the middle of the street and you say to her that her earrings match her shirt because you read that sh.t in some e-book,

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Yeah don't use "lines". LINES = BAD.

she will call the police and you will be here whining about women being evil, while in fact, you were sexually harrassing her.

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Read the DJ Bible. You've been brainwashed into thinking simple conversation is sexual harassment.

Captain said:

Creepy is seeing a beautiful woman, and not talking to her because you are secretly afraid of what others will think, while giving off all kinds of mixed signals.


Yeah don't use "lines". LINES = BAD.


Read the DJ Bible. You've been brainwashed into thinking simple conversation is sexual harassment.

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No you have been brainwashed by the PUA-community into thinking that every girl wants to talk to you everywhere all the time because you are the prize that makes girls wet in 3 seconds because you have been studying PUA-material and know all the secrets about women.

Helas, that's only true in the world of the internet.

j0n does it all the time in his journal, im gonna try it.

Frozen food section, at the grocery store.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tncd84NYJ1Y

To avoid the issues they are talking about, they have to be situational approaches(that don't seem like an approach). A girl at the vet. Someone standing in line behind you. A girl walking the same direction you are. You may have less opportunities to work from, it won't look like you are trying to approach girls like you would in a club.

These opportunities present themselves all the time, just have to recognize them and then take action, in the moment. Which is why practicing "small talk" convos with everyone is good, because every once in a while one of those people you bump into is a single hottie.

Matt Rogers said:

Id be amazed if approaching a random stranger during the day and trying to engage them in polite conversation could be construed as harassment. You guys are kidding right?

But yeah just to be safe it may be more sensible to use a more indirect approach such as a situational comment and then if she seems friendly give a compliment and ask for the number.

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IMO, daygame is MUCH more productive than going out and hitting on girls on a Saturday night. When girls go out on weekends, they are going to be entertained, not picked up. They will bring their A-game s#it tests, shields, and all the other unfortunate stuff we have to deal with.

In fact, they are so conditioned to be approached awkwardly by groups of drunk dudes with zero game that they no longer will obey certain rules of etiquette - for instance, they may walk away from you mid sentence or openly insult you. This doesn't happen in daygame; girls mind their manners then.

Also, direct game during the day works like a charm if you are relatively well-groomed. Every girl dreams of meeting someone in a chance encounter, so they will be more receptive to your advances. Saying "You're cute; I wanted to come say hi" is actually a really good opener.

The only difficulties with day game is that escalation is near impossible and often, there isn't much time to gain the necessary rapport. Also, you really need good conversational skills and must remember to qualify them, so it doesn't feel phony. But, on the whole, it's a lot less intimidating than being thrust into a 3 set on a Saturday night with an AMOG and a CB and a "wing" that probably isn't all that skilled, which is the norm for most.

NYC is pickup central. Girls travel there specifically to pick YOU up. No joke.

Ultimately, it's not about having the right technique: it's about being an attractive man.

If you are attractive, any "technique" you use will magically be effective, because attractive females WANT them to be effective.

If you are an unattractive man, even the slickest techniques and lots of effort will result in massive frustration.

What city are you in?

Matt Rogers said:

A friend showed me the free e-book Paul Janka wrote on meeting girls during the day in New York. He stops them in the street and has a one minute conversation then goes for the number.

This sounds amazing but coming from London I am very much schooled in a "Don't talk to strangers outside of designated meeting places such as bars and clubs" and would feel like I'd be harassing girls.

Has anyone tried this and what sort of results have you gotten?

Some stuff ive read about this suggests doing stuff like asking for directions or the way to the nearest Starbucks, or where the produce section is in the Supermarket. But Im not sure how you would transition that to a conversation leading to a number?

Other stuff seems to suggest going for a more direct approach along the lines of "Hey you are cute" as an opening line.

Thoughts?

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new_hotness said:

NYC is pickup central. Girls travel there specifically to pick YOU up. No joke.

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Is this a new thing or something? Girls picking guys up that is. I'm not in NYC (but I'll have to get up there soon), but I totally got picked up last week.

I walking home from work, a girl stops me and comments on my shoes. She asks me some questions, introduces herself with a handshake, and invites me to go watch a movie as I'm about to walk off. It was pretty clear that she was good to go.

We chatted a bit more at a Starbucks nearby, and then took a walk back to my apartment.

Big O said:

Is this a new thing or something? Girls picking guys up that is. I'm not in NYC (but I'll have to get up there soon), but I totally got picked up last week.

I walking home from work, a girl stops me and comments on my shoes. She asks me some questions, introduces herself with a handshake, and invites me to go watch a movie as I'm about to walk off. It was pretty clear that she was good to go.

We chatted a bit more at a Starbucks nearby, and then took a walk back to my apartment.

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haha wtf?
I noticed starbucks coffee dates are in again. I use them to feel out girls and as a buffer between phases in an interaction. good job with that.

Hell yeah

I'm not gonna jump on Europe's c*ck, but the Europeans do have one thing right:

Day drinking.

And being buzzed at high noon has gotten me to make a few observations about the sun dress wearing type.

So here it is. I will lay out a theory as to my opinion (proven, at least in terms of numbers) about why day gaming yields much better odds in general.

1) Girls aren't on the defensive
Think about the club atmosphere from a woman's point of view. Even the most social, "nice" (whatever that means) woman will turn her b*tch shield way up, and brings along a couple of ugly friends to decoy for them when they go to the club. It's cause they know there's a lot of guys, mostly scrubs, go to clubs thinking they can get girls.

Now, out in broad daylight when little-miss-thang is walking the pooch? That's when you show her how good you are with animals. You know, when she doesn't feel like she's being hunted by a pack of horny post-college frat-boys.

2) There's too much interference
If you game at a club, you can be damn sure that another one of us will be there. Me, I'm friendly. I'll hold your d*ck and help you aim - but that's cause I have more fun sarging in a group.

However, this doesn't keep most guys (especially those without game) from trying to shoot down any alphas that they see as a competitor. They HAVE to do this to distinguish themselves in a dark room full of strangers.


3) You will be more unique

In the club, 80 percent of the guys are trying to meet 20 percent of the women. Yeah. That girl over there in the dress so tight you can see the scar where they put the implants in? Yeah, I was looking too. And so was he. And he. And he. And he. Congratulations, you are, to her, just like every other dude in the room.

But put all of this in a daytime environment away from the battlefield, the girl will be less suspicious, because you aren't part of a conga line trying to run a train on her.

You will at least be memorable.

4) What you see is what you get.
Remember what Nate Dog said in "Shake That": "Look real close 'cause strobe lights lie." Pitch dark atmosphere, lots of liquor, and bumpin' music makes Rosie O'Donnell look good.

Also, women wear less makeup during the day. Nothing worse than hookin' up with a girl and ending up with half her face smeared on your junk.

Okay, that's still pretty awesome, I admit.

Holla.