This is the kind of post that makes me want to leave SS because of the lame ass 10 post limit. One day I might post three posts, one day I might not post at all, but when a good topic comes up it's frustrating to no end to get cut off in the middle of a great discussion.
Wow. A lot of women feel the same towards men. That's why getting to know someone is so important to me. People do disguise their intentions. What do women disguise? For instance, it would seem that many men use the lure of a relationship to get a woman to sleep with him. (Of course if it works, that's 1:HIM, 0:Her). Although not very noble in my book...
First off, let me say that I appreciate your open minded approach to your responses. One of our best, actually THE best female poster will tell you that she did the same thing and learned a lot from this site because she didn't let stubborn preconceptions stand in the way of learning something new.
How old are you, btw? There just might be hope....
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I don't think there is a man here that refuses to acknowledge the "faults" of men, but this is after all a site for men about women.
I consider myself a realist. I don't look at most of the things that women do as being "evil". My big issue is the power trip women are on today that started with feminism gone wrong that has turned many of us (men AND women) off from the mating game as we know it.
Okay... but what do women lie about? Do you have a specific example, let's say, that is widespread and common knowledge amongst men? What social advantages do women gain from these lies?
The weaker sex by nature must be the more manipulative sex. Society is ALL about women....men just live in it. Women lie about all kinds of things. The worst one is the lie she tells HERSELF. Women are masters at avoiding blame and guilt, rationalizing behavior, and justifying actions.
Women are not very self aware and can easly delude themselves into
honestly believing that, for example, they aren't actually "cheating" if they do not have full-on intercourse or that they didn't have sex with someone unless there was vaginal penetration by a penis. They don't count the times they took it through the back door to preserve their "virginity" or the time their best friend had one too many shots of Patron and proceeded to give her head for a half hour.
Actually, I hold the key to women's happiness. I could start coaching them tomorrow about why they continue to get bad results in the mating game and what they need to do about it, but the problem is, women think they are 100% right, 100% of the time. It couldn't be THEM causing their issues, it must be MEN. I would love to teach women this sort of stuff, but I would be met with scorn and ridicule. So sad.
You are right, "Greatness" is a vague term. What I mean by "Greatness" wasn't necessarily talking about gaining sex, although I understand that's *kind of* an important goal of most men here... 
What I mean is to be someone you are proud to be. I may be wrong, but I can't see someone who lies and manipulates and uses other people, as having a high regard for themselves. I, personally, would much rather be with someone who knows and appreciates me for the person I am, not some sort of fantasy I made up.
A man saying that he is "proud of who he is" is nothing more than his own personal perception of how much society approves of him. It is another one of those "honor, duty, virtue" things that applies to men to CONTROL them.
When you hear these words, 9 times out of 10 they are associated with a man.
He is a man of
honor and virtue.
It is your
duty as a man to serve as a protector for women.
Almost everyone will acknowledge that "poor" behavior by men is often rewarded, yet we still pat the loser on the back for being "better than that".
I would rather be the Villian who wins than the Hero who gets a warm welcome from the crowd after having his balls cut off and stuffed in his shirt pocket.
I was more or less referring to the "Self-Fulfilling Prophecy". The idea that your mindset, however subconscious, affects the results you get. If you expect bad, you will get bad, and vice versa. I probably should have articulated that before-hand.
I don't buy any of that karmic "Secret" garbage. Positivity can be beneficial, but no amount of positivity is going to trump realism.
Or, are there "Man-Specific" jobs you think women should not be allowed to perform??
Actually, feminism is all about rights without obligations. Women want "equal" opportunities but do not want to share in equal obligations. This applies to work as well. Women are generally the ones to avoid the dirtiest, most dangerous jobs.
Men's opportunities though Affirmative Action? You realize that does not strictly aid women's equality, right??
Affirmative Action is essentially reverse discrimination targeted toward white men.
What can't you say and express (through 'political correctness')? What are you being shamed for??
A man can't speak a word of this stuff lest he be publicly shamed by women and girly-men alike.
I don't know about women disparaging everything masculine......
Masculine traits are seen as a blight on society. Have you been living in a cave?
thought that someone could make a baby and actually complain about feeding and clothing their child makes me ill.
The vast, VAST majority of men are not opposed to child support, they are opposed to what amounts to supplemental alimony.
I'm really getting the feeling I may be more naive than I thought about certain things... Are so many people, (men and women) actively lying, manipulating and taking advantage of each other?? I'd really like to think not, but I am truly being delusional in believing it? Is anyone out there actually honest? No wonder people gain a sense of pessimism and resentment for the opposite sex...
Congratulations. You are one of the few women who ever take the first steps to see past the matrix.
If you look beyond the pretty facade of society you will see something you would never have imagine existed. At our core we are all looking out for ourselves. That does not mean that cooperating with others is not beneficial, because it is actually in our best interests most of the time to work together. But at the end of the day it's dog eat dog, no matter how pretty of a bow you want to tie on it.
Thank you all for your patience! Hopefully understanding these things will put me at an advantage whenever I do find myself in a relationship again; I hope that results in a deeply satisfying partnership.
Yes it will. You are welcome.
