Ross Jeffries stuff, any body used it?

Hey guys,

I'm reading up on Ross Jeffrie's material, about anchoring feelings.

Does this stuff really work? Here's an example I found:

"So what would it be like if there was this person, who you felt so attracted to, and you could start to feel this warm flush starting to spread right here (Touch her) from your chest... as it flows and spreads outward... becoming more and more intense as you can FEEL THIS... and ...(what she gives you)... what would THIS be like? What if THIS guy was right here in front of you and you could step in to this experience now... what would you most want to do...?"

I'm assuming that when you use the 'feel this' anchor you have to say it as a command so she actually starts to feel these feelings. But what about the last part where you're talking about the guy in front of her (wouldn't she realise you're talking about yourself) or is that male logical thinking?

Because I'm quite skeptical I want to take it baby steps. I'm also not good at talking in flowery terms like the example I posted. So how would I integrate it into this conversation?

Me: Hey, how's your night going?
Her: good

I was thinking 'So what is it that makes your night good?
Her: Just good to be able to hang out with my friends
Me: How do you know when you're with your friends, that you're going to have fun? How does it make you feel?
Her: They're just so much fun, and I feel really excited and energetic
Me: So when you're out having fun, with your friends, and you're feeling this amazing sense of excitement, wouldn't this be a great thing to have. with me, I know that my friends mean the world to me.
Her: blah blah

It feels really unnatural but that's how most new things feel. I guess I'm just worried that I'm going to stuff up along the line.

I've got some female friends that I should be able to test this on.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

No harm trying it out, but a few things you should know first.

Speed seduction (or at least the stuff you can easily find online) is not a complete system. It misses several crucial concepts such as frame control, social value, and attainability.
It works by stimulating emotional state, which is by definition short-term and easily changed over any amount of time.

This is compounded by Speed Seduction being mostly used to get a woman uncontrollably aroused. If you do that, you can pretty much say good bye to any chances of a Day 2, due to the very high risk of triggering her ASD (anti-slut defense).

My recommendation is that you look into some of the other systems out there, and once you're good at getting all the way from open to F-close, go back to using Speed Seduction (if you still feel the need to). Layering SS on top of an already strong skillset should cause your success rate to improve dramatically, while trying to use it without a solid understanding of the fundamentals can cause you to come off as weird and creepy.

Ross Jefferies is truly one of the creepiest men to have ever cursed the planet with his presence. He is at least partially responsible for the embaressments, failures, and belittlings of thousands of his followers.
Consider that this guy believes (or claims to believe) that he can teach men to pickup women through the use of black magic. I wish I were kidding, but while he removed some of the funniest stuff from his website, This remains!

So if you believe in psychic powers & black magic, then this stuff is right down your alley. I suspect the rest of us will remain skeptical.

Watch Vince Kelvin's youtube video entitled Pickup "In Field" number closes. He does a lot of speed seduction. He's Ross Jeffries's lead instructor back in the day. But, unfortunately, they had a set back and now Vince teaches his own bootcamps.

Also read up on this post:

http://fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/se...d%20seduction&author=&body=&datefrom=&dateto=

N L P S **** New Age Bs ! So Basing Your Sarging Techniques On Such A Dubbious Philosophy Well I M Not Sure At All

Ross is actually responsible for coming up with A LOT of pickup theory that's taught today.... He was saying this stuff back in 92-93 when NO ONE else was... So he has to get a lot of credit for that... Infact, as bad as NLP is frowned on on these boards - a lot of the principles of NLP are taught on sites like this; it's just people dont' realize it's NLP.

The saying that whoever cares less about the relationship controls it - came from him.

I think NLP is a very real thing, and have learned the basics of it. Enough that i've used it more than once to arouse a woman DEEPLY! =) I've never used it during a pickup... But i've used it on mulitple women that i was already engaged in relationships with and it works very well in turning women on...


I think Ross is an egotistical person, who is like the 50 Cent of the Pickup Industry. Always picking fights with other "guru's" in order to get his name out there again...

I also believe he's not a great teacher and quite boring to watch/listen to...

I wouldn't use jefferies material on a cold pickup or for attraction. But i have used NLP on people that were already attacted to me and i must say it has worked pretty well. If you use NLP on someone that doesn't know you they are going to think ur a creep. But when you're with someone ur banging, and you wanna get her horny, then using the right words can elicit some pretty powerful stuff

He seemed like a complete clown in Neil Strauss' book. But I guess there's no problem with using anything that works with you.

It's bull**** to get your money

The fact it's hard to meet ladies and almost every guy will hit a rough patch with the ladies opens the doors to con artists and bull****ters to peddle all kinds of nonsense on how to pick up girls...but they want $$$ naturally lol

Connor99 said:

It's bull**** to get your money

The fact it's hard to meet ladies and almost every guy will hit a rough patch with the ladies opens the doors to con artists and bull****ters to peddle all kinds of nonsense on how to pick up girls...but they want $$$ naturally lol

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Let's not reinvent the wheel here...

ANYONE who writes a self-help book wants something in return for it... Money or notoriety. Most want both. Just because he wants money and markets it - doesn't make him a scam artist. I do not agree with all his marketing schemes (namely publicly insulting almost anyone who doesn't worship him) but that does not mean he hasn't contributed a lot to the game.

What Ross Jefferies teaches is mostly NLP based. And NLP is not bullsh1t and DOES work! As stated - it's only a temporary mindstate change thing, and I personally use it occasionally to arouse women to get them really hot for sex. and it's d@mn good for that. Other people such as Hypnotica and Steve Piccus use it in pickup and i've seen the video of them doing it and it's in no way creepy or strange... I don't use it in pickup because i don't have to, it's just something i don't care to learn since i already have my own ways.

NLP has been proven to be real, and is taught at some colleges for business courses (NLP is used A LOT by business negotiation guys; and it's also taught to FBI/CIA agents as well as Negotiators in hostage situations)...

Almost everyone cashes in on some type of rough patch with something (clothing companies are cashing in on people feeling their current clothes are inadequate, video game/movies companies are cashing in on people feeling that their real life isn't worth living and they need an escape, porn companies are cashing in on guys not getting enough sex; even punk rock is cashing in on peoples desire to be different)... If everyone viewed people cashing in on other peoples failures as bull$hit - capitalism would not work; in fact - no form of free enterprise would work. We'd more or less be required to live in a communist state where no one cared about money making and everyone just did a lifeless job.

I use Speed Seduction for day game. Its EASY once you learn how to manipulate your tonality. Speed Seduction is a numbers game type of game because it purposely doesn't make you try and win every girl over. Even RJ said that SS only works on certain chicks. But, he tells you how to tell in the first 3-5 minutes if you should even continue or "exit stage left". In my opinion, its very efficient and it puts me as being the chooser. But, not everyone agrees, and some people still try to go "5 for 5", which can make a person very outcome dependent imo.

And, SS feels natural to me. Not too many people are into it because it isn't really flashy...and talking about connecting sounds really weird to most guys..but hey, girls love it!!

It doesn't come off creepy at all because the girl will be looking at you like you just said the most awesome thing in the world (aka the "doggy dinner bowl look").

And, a lot of it is not based off of premeditated patterns anymore. In SS 3.0, RJ teaches you to ask certain open-ended questions that cause a girl to go inside and search for the answer. This is AWESOME because: 1. If she doesn't participate, then you know you can move on because SS won't work on her..so you saved a lot of time. Or you can try riffing patterns old school style. BUT, what's the point? 2. It gets her talking, so you don't have to memorize a lot of routines/patterns.

An example of these types of questions would be:
"I want to know if you have a good imagination (challenges them, increases the chance of them participating), IF you could go anywhere in the world, without worrying about time or money where would you like to go?"

Besides asking those types of questions. Here's another way to use SS:
The way I do it, I'll use a an opinion opener that already utilizes chick crack so that you don't have to do much work to create a context for a pattern-which is the HARDEST part..

So, for example, using an opinion opener from Love System's Routines Manual. I'll say,

"(insert root and false time constraint here), what is the best way to tell a girl that you're really not interested in her without hurting her feelings?" (notice that the topic of conversation deals with relationships)

Girl: blah blah blah
Me: "Well, do you think men really know what women want?" (Go into Natural Woman Pattern found http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_Approaching/11_The_Patterns/p_natural.shtml)

I also like to mess with one of IN10SE's patterns called "The Red Rose" pattern. The topic of that pattern also deals with relationships (chick crack).

True, NLP is used everyday, most noticeably in sales and marketing. We're just using it for girls...which is just like sales in a way.

I usually don't use it in cold pickup, but i do have some canned lines from Jefferies that always work! I've tested all his shyt and have memorized the ones that work. In fact, he has some that work EVERY time

Sandow said:

True, NLP is used everyday, most noticeably in sales and marketing. We're just using it for girls...which is just like sales in a way.

I usually don't use it in cold pickup, but i do have some canned lines from Jefferies that always work! I've tested all his shyt and have memorized the ones that work. In fact, he has some that work EVERY time

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Good job! Me, I use a combination of different schools' methods. I like using ****y/funny mixed up with some patterning.

Speed Seduction is weak sauce for Kino Escalation so I have to use some of Mystery's strategies for that part.

Speed Seduction also has a weak phone game. I use Mehow's stuff for that, but ONLY if I have to. Usually, I don't. Just the fact that she felt some really good emotions and me being associated with them is good enough in most cases-not all.

The whole point of Speed Seduction is to make a lot of girls have a major crush on you, so you don't have to do as much "gaming"...

Its like this:

Mystery Method is having an awesome strategy guide for a tough game.
Speed Seduction is putting that game on "easy". Combine both!

I've done a lot of research on NLP lately. It's complete nonsense. There are one or two things that they took from valid psychology, but 99,9% is bogus.

For starters, they claim to have taken some of their techniques from therapists like Satir, Perls and Erickson. But they didn't actually work with them. They just watched some videos, listened to some tapes and though "ooooh so this must be how they do it". It's like watching a couple of interviews by Bill Gates and Richard Branson and thinking you are ready to be CEO of a major company.

NLP cannot cure people any more than a placebo. I highly doubt you can use it to make someone do what you want.

I don't care what NLP is, all I know is that SS works for me.

To answer the original poster, just try out technology for yourself first and see if it works for you.

With all schools of pick up, you still need strong inner game.

NLP is good stuff for as much as I know of it.

But I don't think you can start off NLPing people. First you got to build some connection and then escalate using NLP...

Mehow, Hypnotica etc use NLP but only after they've already won the girl over.. and they just wanna amp up the momentum and charge up the sexual escalation.

A girl's reply to your NLP questions will be much more deeper and thought out when she already likes you.

daygameguy said:

NLP is good stuff for as much as I know of it.

But I don't think you can start off NLPing people. First you got to build some connection and then escalate using NLP...

Mehow, Hypnotica etc use NLP but only after they've already won the girl over.. and they just wanna amp up the momentum and charge up the sexual escalation.

A girl's reply to your NLP questions will be much more deeper and thought out when she already likes you.

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What is your definition of "NLPing people"??

Although its true that its much more solid to use attraction game first, believe it or not, you don't have to do all that work with certain girls if you're frame is strong.

Even Mystery said you can get away with anything as long as your frame is strong.

For example, take "direct game". In direct game, you pretty much tell the girl she's beautiful in the opener and go straight into rapport...it works because the guy just radiates confidence and assumes attraction. This all breaks the rules of Mystery Method. Imo, Mystery Method is a good place to start learning but then there comes a point where you realize that you don't have to do all that work all the time.

Ever heard that the way you feel affects the way the girl feels? I believe in that.

Also, in the latest version of Speed Seduction, Ross Jeffries himself does not pattern the chicks right away either. He said that its a bad move to go into a deep pattern right away because: 1. it assumes that she's not going to participate and that's a bad assumption, 2. its a lot of work, and 3. you don't really learn nothing about the girl. After he does the opener, he goes into a fun game/quiz that sets the frame that he's screening her out OR he'll ask one of those seduction type of questions OR he'll combine the two. He NEVER goes into a connection pattern, discovery channel pattern, or any pattern right off the bat anymore.

rushdown said:

I don't care what NLP is, all I know is that SS works for me.

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It should tell you that the theory behind SS is completely flawed. You can't influence anyone subliminally. You can't use hypnosis covertly.

That makes me think that there's another reason behind your sucess stories other than NLP. Give yourself some credit, not NLP.

MaradonaOfSeduction said:

It should tell you that the theory behind SS is completely flawed. You can't influence anyone subliminally. You can't use hypnosis covertly.

That makes me think that there's another reason behind your sucess stories other than NLP. Give yourself some credit, not NLP.

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NLP is way more than "covert" hypnosis... And you can absolutely influence someone into arousal subliminally; NLP doesn't just teach you to do it with words; you change your tone, speed of your language, body language, etc...

I wouldn't call it hypnosis at all... the only thing it has in common with that is it can put the woman or whoever you're using it on into a semi-trance state...

It can however be used in conjunction with hypnosis... Someone like David Shade teaches how to do that...

I've never cared enough to get past the basics... but i started respecting it a lot more after seeing hypnotica use it in a non-creepy way and break it down step-by-step in the infield insider... and since then i've respected it a lot more... Like i said - a lot of NLP stuff is taught on this very board... it's just not called a NLP technique (but the bases of why we do a lot of stuff is NLP based)...

bukowski_merit said:

NLP is way more than "covert" hypnosis... And you can absolutely influence someone into arousal subliminally;

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No you can't. That's what they want you to think.

I imagine you watched a couple of Derren Brown videos on Youtube and bought the NLP explanation he gives you.

NLP doesn't just teach you to do it with words; you change your tone, speed of your language, body language, etc...

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I agree that the pace of your speech and your tonality can arouse a woman, so can describing an emotional or pleasurable state. But it's something that has been around for ages, and not NLP.

NLP is fringe pseudo-science. It shares many characteristics with Scientology, including some cult-like aspects. It has been tested over the years and failed, so they came up with excuses like "we just do what works" or "NLP is not meant to be tested". And, of course, they kept training new practicioners to keep the scheme alive.

http://www.workingpsychology.com/nlp.html - This is a short and accurate read about NLP. If you need more, i can send you the links.