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mahon83050
10-15-2007, 04:10 PM
The one good thing about being a man is we can date women younger than us, thus widening our dating pool.

I once read in Maxim Magazine that a man should follow this simple formula to find out the youngest age of woman he can date.

Take your age (e.g. 30) and divide it in half (e.g. 15) and then add 9 (e.g. 24). So, a 30 year old man shouldn't be dating a woman younger than 24 because society will think it is awkward.

I know it is legal for me to date a 19 year old, but society frowns down on it.

I hope this formula is accurate, since I still want to go after 24-26 year olds and not limit myself to women in the 28-32 year old range (these women are looking to settle down)

I want to hear from DJ's in their late 20's and early 30's.

Bible_Belt
10-15-2007, 04:16 PM
I have dated 26 year-olds since I was 19 and do not plan to stop any time soon.

bigjohnson
10-15-2007, 04:20 PM
All formulas are BS. Society isn't some monolithic thing with one unified opinion; some people will get ticked about something you do no matter what. My personal opinion is that for a LTR guys should wait until they are 30 and then look at women about 10 years younger, but that's for a stable happy family and raising kids.

All bets are off outside that framework IMO.

kdnash82
10-15-2007, 04:32 PM
I say date whoever the hell you want to regardless what society thinks. In the end, it's all about making myself happy. If I'm 90 and find an 18 y/o that does it for me, then I'm going with that and at that point, society could kiss my wrinkly old azz.

Rollo Tomassi
10-15-2007, 04:35 PM
So by this "logic", at 30, a 6 year difference is aceptable. At 50, a 16 year difference is acceptable and you can be guilt free in dating a 34 y.o. If you find yourself single at 60 then a 21 year difference is cool, so stick to a 39 y.o. woman and you can't go wrong. If you're lonley at 70 then a 44 y.o. girl will be socially normal with 26 year difference. However, if you're only 14, then you've really got your work cut out for you as you'll be stuck with shooting for 16 y.o. girls to maintain your respectability.

See how stupid this is? Or is it that this is one more popularized idea to further shame men into thinking there's something wrong with them for having a biological desire to âuck young, beautiful women who command more attention than aging 30 somethings? As women age, their options decrease, their sexual marketability declines. Now, if there was only someway women could psychologically convince men that they ought to be ashamed of themselves for not wanting to let them have their cake and eat it too,...

WestCoaster
10-15-2007, 05:12 PM
I think at 30 you have the 18-30 and also older range. I never wanted to date 18 when I was 30, but I dated 21-24 when I was 30. The thing that surprises me is when the 25-year old men get on here and say how great 36 year old women are. WTF?

Women are really hitting their prime physically and emotionally from 20-30. The bitter gene kicks in about age 30 or so, which triggers man-hating. Women in their 20's usually aren't into man-hating just yet, but American society will eventually force them to man hate. I call these people lesbo-heteros. They like the company and behaviors of women, but still want sex with a man. Yet they rip on men like crazy and frankly, don't like them. They like men for sex, but in reality they're lesbos mentality-wise. I'd say about half or more of U.S. women are lesbo-heteros, some of my friends are married to some. (I respect lesbos more; they're honest about it.)

So in a nutshell, yep, date 18-30, don't worry about it. You have the rest of your life to date old man-haters.

mahon83050
10-15-2007, 05:26 PM
not to mention, women start to lose their youthful appearance after age 25.

STR8UP
10-15-2007, 06:29 PM
I turn 36 in two weeks, and although I don't really "date" much younger women, but the supply of 20-24 yr olds who I party with doesn't seem to be diminishing.

If anything it's on the upswing.

STR8UP
10-15-2007, 06:31 PM
Oh yea, and to answer your question....

FUKK society!

joekerr31
10-15-2007, 06:36 PM
what is most important is that one day, when you die, that all the people who you never knew in life think well of you and that their children think well of your children for generations to come.

after all the entire world is watching you and waiting to judge who you are. and your actions will be judged for generations to come.

:crazy: i'm being saracastic.

LIFE IS FOR LIVING - DO WHAT YOU WANT!

yes, i have an opinion on the age thing. for myself, im 33, and anything under 23 to me makes me feel wierd.

but that's me. and thats me today. heck, tomorrow i might decide that banging 19 year old is fun and will start doing it.

the point is that this is my life and im going to do whatever the hell i want. i could care less what others think of the things i do. i really really really do NOT care.

you have to come up with your own rules for this my friend. remember, one day you are going to die and all that you did in life won't matter to anyone but you. as long as you maintain your own sense of self respect, you will die a good death and have lived a good life.

jophil28
10-15-2007, 06:40 PM
Ok troops - I went out dancing with a 21 year old and a 25 year old on Sunday night. MY bud arrived on his bike and the girls turned up in separate cars. WE all walked into the club about 8pm and all the usual suspects were there . This is an all age, all dance styles, place.
The two chicks were dressed to kill. These two chicks are originally from Russia. One is a student and one is a personal trainer. They are sizzling hot.
The 25 year old is model looking and cute , as cute and a button.
All the regular crowd stared at these hotties with me and my wing and the sound of jaws hitting the floor almost drowned out the music.

SO we are dancing and having a great time. The chicks are great..- "hey jophil - thanks for bringing us .THis place is fun. If you wanna go dance with some of the other ladies it is OK. too" These women are GRATEFUL for me bringing them and they do not want to monopolize me. Sweet !
So I wander around and bask in the glory of it all. Some of the regular women are PISSED. The guys are just nodding and smirking - envy is a terrible thing.
Gayle (40 something) says ," Hey jophil, did you bring your daughters ? "
I reply, "' My grand daughters, honey ! "

THe guys then just stand and stare at me and the 25 year old doing some hot Salsa ........ She is lookig f**king dangerous and she is flirting and staring at me with those big Ruskie eyes. Talk about locked gaze !

OK - another two hours of this goes by, and Gayle grabs me at the bar. "You ignoring me jophil? Will you dance with me?"
Me, " Mmmm, you need to take a number honey."
She, " I want to dance now ."
Me, "OK just two songs and then I gotta get back.."
We dance and she is pressing her pvssy on me and grinding.
My social proof is at an all time high.

More cavorting and the hotties need to leave. Work and school the next day.

Gayle sees her chance and grabs at me outside the bathroom .
WE dance some more and she is telling me that "deep down you are a really nice guy."
Me, " You are deluded honey, I am a bad man."
She, " No , I know that you are a sweetie under all that bravado. "
A SWEETIE ! Geez who talks like that anymore ?

Anyways- long story short. SHe says,' Will you walk me to my car?"
Me, " how far is it. I'm kinda beat from dancing with all the women."
SHe puts her arm thru mine and we walk out to the far end of the carpark she opens up the door of the sharpest Kompressor convertible I ever saw. WE sit and I am teasing her and she grabs me and then ... well,you fill in the details...

ketostix
10-15-2007, 06:52 PM
This is the power of SP-being seen with a hot, young girl-that I was talking about in the other forum.

You kept the cocky and funny going well. Notice how Gayle totally reframed you into a "sweetie" but not in the sense of a nice guy chump, but a sweetie that is acceptable for her to fvck in her mind lol.

I think this all demostrates that society and women especially want to control a man and tell him how he should behave, all to his detriment. But when you refuse to go along with it and do so unapologetically, the results and the better treatment and respect speak for themself.

synergy1
10-15-2007, 07:07 PM
I turn 36 in two weeks, and although I don't really "date" much younger women, but the supply of 20-24 yr olds who I party with doesn't seem to be diminishing.

If anything it's on the upswing.

Upon finishing college I soon thought I would be leaving the younger crowd behind for good. Most of the girls I have either met, partied with, or hook up with have been 21 and younger.

amoka
10-15-2007, 07:56 PM
The math does not add up. Why does the article assume the man is the only that can be older. There are folk that bang older women. How does the math fit in those cases?

Omen
10-15-2007, 08:40 PM
I say the same thing. FUK society. Do what you want and live life how you want it. I like younger girls and I seem to have more fun around them.

Do people go... Dude, she's only so old, why are you... YES they do. I then reply... Not my fault you cant get that piece of ass or they wont talk to you.

Some people say older guys have problems if they cant get a woman their age. They make some lame excuse, throw some formula in there, talk about what society thinks, and goes on and on. Why? Cause they cant get them.

Some older guys whine, but a majority are young guys. Why are you taking our women? Cant you get a 25 or 30yr old? Why the hell do you want to date a 19 or 20yr old at 28? Blah Blah Blah.

Some states it 16 as legal age, some its 17 or 18. My number is 18. Though I have never dated an 18yr old at 28, I probably would if the right one came along. Now i'm not expecting a LTR, but I will date her.

Hey, they just turn me on. Some are so hot, they put 30yr old women to shame. Granted i've seen some great looking 25yr olds and women in that range, but have you ever just been someplace where 18-19 year old hotties are? WOW!

And think of it this way. WAY OLDER GUYS are the ones banging the 18yr olds in the Pornos :up: lol.

ketostix
10-15-2007, 08:50 PM
Well my experience with predominate societal view is if a girl is in her 20's and the man is more than 5 years older people generally think this goes against the norm. They tighten this age difference up a little if she's under 21 and loosen it a little if she's over say 26.

But we all know how much societal norms don't benefit and are not naturally compatible with males. So screw the norms, you might get some flak but it's usually in your best interest to not follow these norms.

STR8UP
10-15-2007, 09:38 PM
Upon finishing college I soon thought I would be leaving the younger crowd behind for good. Most of the girls I have either met, partied with, or hook up with have been 21 and younger.

I don't know why I seem to meet the "just turned 21" chicks all the time, but I'm not complaining!

Actually, I do know where most of it comes from. It comes from knowing a couple of key younger women who like me.

Of course at my age a relationship with one is not likely, but the social proof (as in jophil's case) goes through the roof being seen with young, attractive women.

MrLuvr
10-15-2007, 10:28 PM
SHe puts her arm thru mine and we walk out to the far end of the carpark she opens up the door of the sharpest Kompressor convertible I ever saw. WE sit and I am teasing her and she grabs me and then ... well,you fill in the details...

So, you didn't have a chance with the 25 yr old then?

MrLuvr
10-15-2007, 10:31 PM
Of course at my age a relationship with one is not likely,

Why not? You seem to have backed off from your position of even a year ago when you were only interested in 18-21 yr olds. Now you seem to be talking 30+.

What happened?

azanon
10-15-2007, 11:12 PM
As far as age is concerned, you need to only be aware of one limitation; the age of consent for your state. It ranges from 16-18 I believe for most (all?) states.

Besides that, I wouldn't even give it a second thought. What you should be concerned with beyond that is just basic maturity that's relatively in-line with yours. I would hope with me something would kick in if i were with a giggly, silly girl who didn't know anything about responsibility. If a woman (girl?)'s maturity were such that she was clearly not making fully informed decisions, that's probably when my morality gene would kick in and I wouldn't be able to bring myself to take advantage of her.

Trust your gut, and feel free to meet those you find attractive. If they pass the age test for your state, then just decide by her maturity. Your gut won't let you down. Just make sure its your own personal feeling, not the feeling of your parents, friends, etc.

BTW, I married a 19 year old woman. Read that again, in case you missed something important.

................

An aside.... When i got a trim by my barber this past weekend, i noticed a new hairstylist. I swear to God (if there is one) this girl was a "10" if I've ever seen one. I joked to my 40-something male barber "bet she gets phone numbers all the time". He told me she was 21 and was actually recently married. Truth be told, she looked more like 18-19. My thought was...... 21 and already no longer available. So fellows, if you were the man that nabbed her, you were either 1. young like her or 2. A 30-something that didn't set arbitrary rules. If you were neither 1 nor 2, you'd never have a chance.

joekerr31
10-15-2007, 11:16 PM
ok, i just had a REALLY interesting thought.

would your views be the same on age be what they were if we didn't have a mother.

i can say for myself, if my mom wasn't alive i dont know if i'd really think about age at all. i think my parameters would be as simple as "she's hot"

i think somewhere in my mind theres the realization that my mom would NOT be very proud of me if i were dating a 19 year old. and for some reason that creates a stigma in my mind against doing so.

damn these women, if it isn't your gf messing up your mind its your mom!

:mad:

Last Man Standing
10-15-2007, 11:17 PM
How young can a 30 year old man date w/o going against society norms?

The youngest one that he can get within legal confines!!

MrLuvr
10-15-2007, 11:36 PM
If you really want to follow "society norms", then I think it would really depend on where you live.

In the UK for example, you get by with dating a 16 yr old at 30. Heck, Princess Diana was introduced to Prince Charles when she was 16, and he was 18, by HER SISTER! They got married when she was 19.

MrLuvr
10-15-2007, 11:38 PM
On another note, I think there are VERY FEW guys on the Mature Man forum that are CONSISTENTLY dating women 10 to 15 years younger.

A lot of them like to talk the talk, but when it comes down to it I think there are very few of them dating 20 year olds. Even ugly 20 year olds.

It is all academic, until you actually do it.

STR8UP
10-15-2007, 11:44 PM
Why not? You seem to have backed off from your position of even a year ago when you were only interested in 18-21 yr olds. Now you seem to be talking 30+.

What happened?

Oh no no no....

I don't think I've ever even once mentioned anything about teenagers, although I don't have a problem with them.

I am definitely interested in the 21-24 group, but not for anything serious (of course that's just a rule of thumb)

I've only dated one woman who was in her 30's. That relationship coupled with the fact that I know a few others on a friendly basis, showed me that women don't really change as they get older.

Again- target age = 26ish

STR8UP
10-15-2007, 11:48 PM
i can say for myself, if my mom wasn't alive i dont know if i'd really think about age at all. i think my parameters would be as simple as "she's hot"

i think somewhere in my mind theres the realization that my mom would NOT be very proud of me if i were dating a 19 year old. and for some reason that creates a stigma in my mind against doing so.

My mom would probably be happy if I found an 18 yr old if it meant I'd give her some more beautiful grandbabies :)

It's the girls dad that bothers me. I got along with my exes family well enough....I think her mom really liked me....but I always got that "vibe" from her stepdad, who was basically her real dad.

STR8UP
10-15-2007, 11:56 PM
On another note, I think there are VERY FEW guys on the Mature Man forum that are CONSISTENTLY dating women 10 to 15 years younger.

A lot of them like to talk the talk, but when it comes down to it I think there are very few of them dating 20 year olds. Even ugly 20 year olds.

It is all academic, until you actually do it.

I'm almost 36.

Last LTR I was 31, she had just turned 21.

Last chick that spent the night in my bed....21

Last chick I messed around with (fingered, sucked on her t!ts)....20

The one before that I messed around with......just turned 21

Last chick who openly propositioned me for sex.......23 or 24

Last chick I actually fukked....26

Several odds and ends here and there in between, but that gives you an idea that younger women do dig older men.

MatureDJ
10-16-2007, 12:39 AM
I once read in Maxim Magazine that a man should follow this simple formula to find out the youngest age of woman he can date.

Take your age (e.g. 30) and divide it in half (e.g. 15) and then add 9 (e.g. 24). So, a 30 year old man shouldn't be dating a woman younger than 24 because society will think it is awkward.

Actually the rule is W = 1/2 M + 7, and that is only a guide. I am going on 42, and would not have a problem per se with dating a fresh 18 y.o. (I might have a problem with her immaturity, but not from the simple fact of being that age.) A friend of mine was 52 and he was dating a 16 y.o. (who had graduated high school and lived in a jurisdiction in which she was at the age of consent.)

An 18 y.o. woman is an adult. Period. To go a step further, a woman who is out of high school is completely socially an adult. So long as she is of the age of consent, there is no need to feel guilty about this at all.

However, from a practical aspect, a woman who lives with her, or is supported by, parents (of any age) could be forced (with penalty of being kicked out) to not date old farts. A woman who is living on her own would have no such constraint and is 100% completely available.

jophil28
10-16-2007, 01:30 AM
So, you didn't have a chance with the 25 yr old then?

Im seeing the 25 year old Wednesday night. She is gorgeous and as hot as an Aussie wildfire. I am playing it cool with her.That chick has options and I ain't gonna chase after her like a horny twentysomething guy . I am spinning plates and she is but one of them . Thanks RT for the heads up.
I am mature remember - kinda smooth like Roger Moore -aka James Bond 007 except i think that I am more like 009 !!

Stay tuned .

lookyoung
10-16-2007, 02:02 AM
The girls that I went out on dates with in the last 15 months since turning 30. I keep a journal of all the girls I date, and there stats.
1. -7 years. -
2. -12 years-
3. -8 years-
4. -4 years-
5. -6 years
6. -9 years
7. -9 years
8. -9years
9. -4
10. -9 years
11. -10 years
12. -7 years
13. -4 year
14.-9 years

I usually date younger because physical attraction is very important to me and I dont find girls my age that are very attractive.

From my real life experience:

Girls 18-22 There are positives in this age range.
1. They are the hottest group physically.
2. They have more energy.
3. They like to party so if your a drinker (Lots of good times)
4. They are happier than older woman.
5. They will not rush you to be in a serious relationship with them. They are only looking for a good time.

But there positives turn out to be negatives when looking for a wife or a LTR.

I would say for me girls in the 23-28 age range is perfect.


Anything over 28 I tend to not be attracted too.

Omen
10-16-2007, 01:42 PM
Yeah, even in the old country as people say if you talk to someone from Lebanon, etc they'll say... No no, 18 or 16 is not to young. I mean women at 18 in some of those countries are already married and it is nothing new.

If she is legal in your state, then you are fine. But the talk too on here is her maturity level. Some I know that are young are stupid as hell, and I would be like... Ok, you are nothing more than just a body to me. Some I actually talk too because they do have something intelligent to say.

And about the whole parents deal... Yeah, i'd be shot dead if I introduced my parents to a 16yr old which is legal where I am at.

Even a girl I dated who was 21 and I was I got crap for, but it was from my sister who was the same age as her at the time.

And I could only imagine a 16yr olds dad. Dad... this is so and so. He's 28. :kick:

Hey, look at it on the bright side. If her mom is divorced, and her daughter is that young, the mom might be available :up:

One more thing to add... for me, I look like I can pass for 16 or 18 or anywhere in the 16-25 range.

My problem is I am always attracting the younger ones because I look like them. If I was to approach someone 30 and say I am only 2yr younger they would prob tell me that 12yr olds shouldn't lie, or ask to see my ID.

And that is always a problem when going out. I cant attract as many women in my age group cause I dont remotely look it. I've even seen some 18yr old dudes look like they are my true age.

I guess I could always lie about my age, and go... Tell your dad i'm like 18.

In ways it sucks, and in ways its good. I guess I have to take what I am given, and go with it. And if it means picking up 18-21yr olds, so be it.